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Bush seeks 'democratic' tie to Abbas
By Alan D. Abbey
Published: 23.05.05, 22:24
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1. who died and left you god???????
john ,   israteen   (05.23.05)
2. THE STRANGE DEMOCRATIC PRACTICES OF U.S. LEADERS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (05.23.05)
It would be most helpful if President Bush and Condi Rice would EXPLAIN TO THE U.S.A. ISRAEL and the rest of the world, how ethnically cleansing Jews from their Jewish homeland JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS is a democratic practice. U.S. LAWS make it illegal to discriminate based on race or religion. As Israel's Jews are to be forcibly ethnically cleansed from the Jewish homeland JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS, is President Bush planning to eliminate laws against racism from America??? Is Racism in America going to be made legal? Or is Racism Only Against Jews going to be made legal??? It is VERY IMPORTANT the whole world gets an explanation on this new democracy where RACISM AGAINST JEWS is being given legitimacy.
3. assigned to the task of explaining Israell to Linda
assigned to the task ,   Israel   (05.24.05)
yawn. t would be most helpful if you went to a monastry where silence was practiced. wishing you a lovely day.
4. Mother of all hypocrisies
L. Fernandez ,   Texas   (05.24.05)
Oh Condi, stop supporting mideast dictators before talking about democracy in the mideast. Democracy and occupation do not coexist. Only puppet regimes flourish under occupation.
5. To Linda
Billy ,   Burlington, Canada   (05.24.05)
With all respect Linda, I cannot understand what you're getting at. Do you see by any chance any similarity between evacuating settlers peacefully from occupied territories & what happened last century in Bosnia for example? I'm sure a democratic Palestinian territory will be much capable of eliminating terrorism which is the main obstacle now for the prosperity of the whole region. Keeping few settlers in an area with a vast majority of Palestinians will not help any purpose. I'm sure you want all the people of the region to live in peace & active cooperation instead of hatred & fighting.
6. DR.RICE'S NONSENSE
SAMUEL BLAIR ,   BOCA RATON USA   (05.24.05)
DR.RICE SAYS WHAT SHE IS PAID TO SAY. LIKE FORMER SECRETARY POWELL. PRESIDENT BUSH SAYS WHAT V.P.CHENEY TELLS HIM TO SAY AND ALL IS TOTALLY UNBELIEVABLE. THE WHITE HOUSE HAS TURNED THE UNITED STATES UPSIDE DOWN. LIKE NEVER BEFORE. OUR SOLDIERS ARE DYING IN 2 WARS. EVERY DAY. OVER 10,OOO HAVE LOST LIMBS. UNLIKE VIET NAM THERE ARE NO MASS PROTESTS IN OUR CITIES. BUSH IS SPENDING BILLIONS THAT THE COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE. GOING DEEPER INTO DEBT. AND THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO STOP THIS MADNESS. IT CAN ONLY END IN A HORRIBLE DISASTER....LIKE A RECORD BREAKING DEPRESSION! WHICH WILL END THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR MANY YEARS. AMERICANS WILL HAVE LEARNED A VERY BITTER LESSON. SHALOM
7. Democracy must begin by Israel
zeev ,   geneva   (05.24.05)
Since the creation of the State of Israel, the Middle-East knows more and more fundamentalism . Any scholar can onfirm this fact. Remember the destruction of 400 Palestinian villages by Israel and their tragic consequences. If really the USA are intersted in democracy, they must impose it first to Israel by forcing it to: - Abolish the apartheid laws against non-Jews. - Allow the return of the Palestinian refugees. - Annex West Bank and Gaza, creating one democratic state with equal rights for all , regardless of their religion. In this way the USA create a model for democracy in the region and stop the rise of fundamentalism. Any other speech about democracy is propaganda and hypocrisy
8. To Zeev, Geneva
NYC Girl   (05.24.05)
I see the term "apartheid" frequently used being used on this site in regard to Israel. Frankly, I think the reason is because it's so inflammatory...not because it's a reality. This so-called "apartheid state" has Arabs in its parliament, its universities and its media. If only those poor, beknighted black South Africans had to deal with such an "oppressive" system. Also, you talk about the "destruction of 400 Palestinian villages." Of course, you fail to comment on the atrocities committed by the Arabs against Israel. I guess that's because they're too numerous to mention.
9. 400 villages
Carol ,   Israel   (05.24.05)
I want you to give me a non palestinian source for this 400 villages story you constantly throw out there or all of us will know you are just spewing propaganda and mythology. Your apartheid mantra just got blown to bits by NYC GIRL in a matter of seconds.
10. 7) Zeev is impervious to facts
Shai ,   Israel   (05.24.05)
Each of his claims has been shattered before, but he just keeps repeating the same crap. Add to the "inequality" claim the disputation that I read on another Israeli newspaper site that the settlements reached with the Beduin Arabs to abandon their claims on lands they squatted on are every bit as great, in fact greater, than the claims paid to the Gaza settlers. We are equal opportunity spenders.
11. definition of apartheid:
edward ,   las vegas   (05.24.05)
1) An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites. 2) A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups. 3) The condition of being separated from others; segregation. choose your definition, but ALL of them apply to israel. in 1) there are laws and judicial systems that apply only to arabs and others that apply only to jews. 2) the entire country is founded on segregation, maintaining a 'jewish majority'. 3) can you say a huge giant wall built on other peoples land? that pretty much sums up definition 3). so by any dictionary definition, israel practices apartheid and some may say the entire state is apartheid since it is based on religion and race. impossible to call israel a democracy until these two things are removed from the political spectrum
12. to nyc girl
edward ,   las vegas   (05.24.05)
the only reason there is arab representation in the israeli government is because during israels wars they failed to kill or drive out the entire indiginous arab population, although they tried. if people like efie eitam were in charge, there would be no arabs, he has stated as much. and fanatical idealogues like linda, shai, and carol secretly wish this although only linda will admit it, shai will write a 5000 word diatribe explaining how the sun rises in the east, and carol well i dont know her yet.
13. WHICH COUNTRIES NEXT FOR NEW " DEMOCRACY" CLEANSED OF JEWS?
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (05.24.05)
Saudi government publications have made it clear in their religious war, it is not only Israel the Islamofascists are going after, and it is not just Jews they are going after. worldnetdaily.com, Jan 29, 2005: 'Report: Saudis spread hate through U.S. mosques' "89-page report by Freedom House, Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Fill American Mosques..Saudi government propaganda examined reflects a totalitarian ideology of hatred that can incite to violence...Various Saudi government publications assert it is A RELIGIOUS OBLIGATION for Muslims to hate Christians and Jews...The documents stress when Muslims are in the lands of the unbelievers,THEY MUST BEHAVE AS IF ON A MISSION BEHIND ENEMY LINES...Either they are there to acquire new knowledge and make money TO BE LATER EMPLOYED IN THE JIHAD AGAINST THE INFIDELS..." On Oct 13 2000, official Palestinian Authority TV broadcast the Friday sermon of Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya from Gaza mosque (transcribed by MEMRI): "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..." The Palestinian Authority have been given billions of American and European tax dollars. Why are our tax dollars financing jihad against Israel's Jews?
14. Rice Talks "Democracy" Nonsense For Arab Pals
Adina Kutnicki ,   NJ, US   (05.24.05)
Rice offered nothing concrete to the audience because she has nothing concrete to offer. Under the guise of "democratic" practices she would have us believe that a population that generally wishes to destroy Israel, and sees killing "the Jews" as a religious mandate are the eventual "partners for peace" with Israel. Dangerous nonsense!
15. Viva Las Vegas
Carol ,   ISRAEL   (05.24.05)
Eddie baby you've been spending too much time at the craps table. Show proof or shut up.
16. heres some proof, closeminded CAROL
Mike ,   USA   (05.24.05)
www.palestineremembered.com
17. edward, stick to the facts (12)
Shai ,   Israel   (05.25.05)
Here's a quote from Israel's Declaration of Independence of May 1948, explaining the real reason Arabs have a voice in Israel. Perhaps, edward, if you weren't so intellectually lazy you'd have looked it up yourself. "We appeal in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisinal and permanent institutions. "We extend our hand to all neighboring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighborliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East". I admit, a bit highbrow for you these ideas that Peres is still breathlessly peddling. Longwinded and all, with pretty words about humanity and all the things you accuse us of not believing in, all right there in our founding document BEFORE the Arabs were defeated in war and left in droves. I guess we took that as a "not interested". And by the way, the sun does rise in the east so thanks for clearing that up for us.
18. Like Life Cereal
Carol ,   Israel   (05.25.05)
Just ask Mikey, he'll try it and he'll buy it! Looked at your website suggestion. Looked at the mission statement and looked for the organization behind it. My friend, just because it has a nice web page doesn't make it so. You don't actually believe everything you see on the web.?
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