1. ...as orchestrated by Ariel Sharon
This is going exactly the way it was planned by Israel; do as little as possible to assist the Abbas, make him look and sound weak and ineffective, continue land expropriation, wall-building, settlement enlargement, assassinations and rocket attacks just as if the Authority didn't exist and then when Hamas takes over Sharon can once more lift up his hands in horror and declare once again Israel's favourite mantra: 'we have no partner for peace'.
| accessol , |
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2. Abbas weak?
Wherein Abbas' weakness? He is supported by the Arab world, by America, by the whole of the Western world, by a good number of Israelis and by the majority of the Palestinians. Not bad for one little David of a Palestinian!.
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3. An alternative to the guy above's explanation
The usual moaning by post-modern leftist and third world misery fans : If something goes wrong, it must be Israel's fault, there must be a conspiracy somewhere, after all, jews are conspiraZionist right...
Or maybe a plainer and more coherent observation would be to realize that decades of heated rhetoric against Israel's very right to exist, orchestrated by the PLO, Arafat and his stooges is starting to overwhelm a PA who may (but not completely) be trying to settle things through negociations.
You harvest what you sow. The palestinians and all the arab countries used Israel as a pretext and the more incapable these regimes were at making their population happy, the more they tried to distract them with Israel. Now they realize that they can't roll back easily and who's paying ? The average israeli citizen in his bus or at a coffee table !
| Julien , |
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4. THERE NEVER WAS AN ARAB COUNTRY OF PALESTINE
In Islam, ALL non-Muslim countries are considered the house of war to be conqered for Islam. Global jihadists want to take over EVERY country - not just Israel.
Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.
JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 800 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, not once in the Koran!
Arabs FIRST took the name "Palestinians" in 1967. Arafat was the FIRST leader of this NEW PEOPLE. Before 1948, Jews were known as the Palestinians! The Jewish newspaper, the Jerusalem Post was called the Palestinian Post!
After Jews miraculously transformed desert and swamps into rich agricultural land (for which Jews are world famous!) a large number of Arabs came from Arab countries for jobs from the Jews. The fact that the overwhelming majority of Arabs resided only briefly in Palestine is attested to by the special UN decree: that any Arab who had resided in Palestine FOR ONLY 2 YEARS before 1948, and then left would be considered a refugee and so would his descendants!!!
Around 1948, Arabs violently ETHNICALLY CLEANSED about one million Jews from Arab countries. Arab governments seized the land, homes, bank accounts, businesses and assets of the Jews. Most of the Jewish refugees fled to Israel. THERE MUST NOW BE A JUST SETTLEMENT FOR THE JEWISH REFUGEES AND THEIR DESCENDANTS!!!
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5. Realistic
The guy is being serious; he's not playing any games or seeks to please anyone. He's being realistic, that's basically it. Israel is not going to last, it's an expansionist country, a threat to the entire Middle East. He knows that Israel doesn't want the Palestinians to have a real state.
| Fadi , |
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6. to fadi
what kind of a state do you want fadi?
have you heard about what went down in jenin this morning? and in nablus yesterday? and in Rammallah the day before that? see the picture? we have to earn the state by proving to all that we
can build a democratic, clean, not corrupt state where is no one is above the law. EVANTA?
| an arab and a mason , |
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7. Accessol and Fadi
Shouldn't people be rewarded for positive behaviour!
It's like we're rewarding spoiled kids for behaving badly! Instead of punishing them by sending them to their room or not giving them allowance we're giving them more allowance and saying good work keep it up!
The Western world throws hundreds of millions of dollars of aid to Palestinians each year and requests not much - renounce terrorism and accept Israel's existence. If they're not willing to do this let the mega wealthy Arab world contribute some money! All that oil wealth is not being used to help Palestinians get out of their squalor! The Arab world sits on it's hands and does nothing meaningful except laud the Palestinian cause but does nothing helpful to rebuild and help develop a viable Palestinian state.
Palestinians still live in squalor - where is my tax payer money going?
I say we should withhold aid until democratic and non-violent groups attain a majority in West Bank and Gaza! Until that time what we're really doing is rewarding a spoiled brat whom has done way too much wrong!
The Kurds deserve their state and the Tibetans deserve their states much more so than the Palestinians - they have not resorted to terrorism read attacking CIVILIANS!!
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8. Jew Haters
For all you Jew haters out there like accessol on numerous talkbacks
let's see if I get this:
Arabs kill Arabs you blame Jews,
go to Hell
| herb , |
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9. Hamas doesnt even have the facts right
Fact one: there never was a country called Palestine.
Fact 2: there was a country called Israel.
Fact 3: the territory historically known as Palestine, included all of Jordan, and on some maps, parts of Syria as well.
Fact 4: there already is a Palestinian contry, its called Jordan and represents about 80% of historic Palestine.
Fact 5: if Hamas talks about liberating from river to sea, they are talking about a non-existant place.
Conclusion 1: Hamas is just another Arab Nazi group and should be dealt with like the German Nazis.
Conclustion 2: If Hamas represents the general Palestinian thinking, there will never be a second Palestinian country, just Jordan.
Conclusion 3: Europe has not learned history and continues and will continue to appease evil
Conclusion 4: People like Saudi Arabia, Hamas, etc. have poisoned the atmosphere for peace and have begun WWIII.
Conclusion 5: This will end very badly for Europe and the Arab world.
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10. Linda is considered legally blind in History........
As always Linda try to write her own history by denying 8 Million Palestinians 5 of whom still living in Palestine. I don't know what is the intention of denying the fact that the Israeli ETHNICALLY CLEANSED 750 thousands Palestinians from their homes and imported new population there.
If you don't see that the Palestinians were ETHNICALLY CLEANSED By the Israeli terrorist, you would be considered legally blind in history.
And here is so many prove to what happened to the Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli.
Look what Albert Einstein said,
"It would be my greatest sadness to see Zionists (Jews) do to Palestinian Arabs much of what Nazis did to Jews."
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Links.html
http://www.palestineremembered.com/ZionistFAQ.html
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/15951
I send these links to you. So you can read them before you deny any people their life.
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| Human Being , |
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11. Naqba II: Coming REAL Soon
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12. Ethnic cleansing
Taken from www.wikipedia.com
"Alleged 20th Century instances
The 1913 Convention of Adrianople, annexed to the Peace Treaty between Bulgaria and Turkey, provided for an exchange of ethnic Turks and Bulgarians in a 15 kilometer strip.
The Armenian Genocide and the expulsion of Pontian Greeks perpetrated by the Young Turks during 1914–1922.
The 1919 Treaty of Neuilly provided for the reciprocal emigration of ethnic minorities between Greece and Bulgaria.
In 1923 the Treaty of Lausanne which ended the First World War in the East, as well as post-war hostilities between Greece and the newly-formed Republic of Turkey, provided for a compulsory exchange of populations between Greece and Turkey.
The expulsion of Poles from Belarus and Ukraine 1932–1936 to Kazakhstan.
The expulsions of Jews from Austria after the Anschluss, and deportations of Poles and Jews from Polish areas annexed by Nazi Germany.
Nazi Germany wiping out whole populations of Jews and Gypsies during World War II (see also the Holocaust).
Generalplan Ost, in which the Nazis planned to kill or expel most or all ethnic Slavs from large regions of Eastern Europe and replace them with German settlers.
The German exodus from Eastern Europe.
The deportations of Poles, Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians from areas occupied by Soviet Union 1939–1941.
The deportations of Karelians from East Karelia by Soviet Union in 1930s.
The ethnic cleansing of Volhynia by Ukrainian guerrilla groups.
The mass deportation and exile of the Chechens, Ingush, Volga Germans, Balkars, Kalmyks, Crimean Tatars, and other minorities living in the Soviet Union by Stalin in 1943–1944, under the pretext that they were collaborating with Nazi Germany.
The expulsion of Poles from Zamosc Voivodship by Germans in 1944.
The expulsions of 800,000 Poles from Warsaw to concentration camps after defeat of Warsaw Uprising 1944, caused 200,000 deaths. The city of Warsaw, population of one million, was ordered to be completely demolished on the personal order of Hitler. Approximately 80% of the city was demolished. Himmler stated, that the aim, was to remove permanently the Polish population which the Nazis viewed as an obstacle to German Eastern expansion for the last 700 years.
The mass deportation of ethnic minorities from their homelands, including East Timor and Papua, by the Indonesian government, beginning with Indonesian independence in 1949 (and subsequent occupation and annexation of Papua until the present day and of East Timor until 1999).
The Nakba, or Palestinian exodus, in which the substantial majority of Palestinians in the areas of Palestine that became part of Israel fled during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.
The mass flight of large Jewish communities from Yemen and Iraq, and small ones from the West Bank during 1948–1950, as well as flights which took place later from Egypt and Libya.
The mass expulsions of Greek Cypriots from northern Cyprus and of Turkish Cypriots from southern Cyprus in 1974-1975.
The widespread ethnic cleansing accompanying the Yugoslav wars from 1991 to 1999, of which the most significant examples occurred in eastern Croatia and Krajina (1991-1995), in most of Bosnia (1992-1995), and in the Albanian-dominated breakaway Kosovo province (of Serbia) (1999). Large numbers of Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians were forced to flee their homes and expelled.
Mass expulsions of Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistan to India and of Muslims from India to Pakistan following the partition of British India in 1947, as well as expulsions of Hindus from both the Pakistani and Indian ruled regions of the disputed territory of Kashmir by Islamist paramilitary groups
The 1994 massacres of Tutsis by Hutus, known as the Rwandan Genocide
Attacks by the Janjaweed Arabic-speaking African Muslim militias of Sudan on the non-Arab African Muslim population of Darfur, a region of western Sudan. "
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13. My second comment was censored & not published
Sometimes I make the same comment twice over and it's still not published.
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14. Linda
You are censored beccuse your posts are annoying and repetitive soap box wacko stuff. I dont know where you got brainwashed,but I suggest going back to your childhood, before the indoctrination and learn to think pure, freely and honestly.
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15. Israel In Crisis
I have followed the plight of the Children of Israel for many years , I have written articles , letters and sent what funds I could afford to support her. I spent the summer of 2004 with SAR-El, in Israel as a volunteer. However actions speaks louder than words, I have lost faith in such issues involving Israel.
Why, ? when Israel’s own government, own military cares less about defending Israel and more about economic growth and economic development,
When Israel would rather do business with China see sensitive US technology end up in China who sells it to Iran and other supposedly bitter enemies of Israel, one has to question what is really going on ,
Why would Israel give up such promising research & development as Joint Strike Fighter, advanced missile defense systems , such as Arrow II , down size its military , it what is supposedly a world wide crisis of epic proportions, with Iran, Syria Lebanon Hezbollah, etc, and treated as no more of a military matter need tactical and strategic advantages –
I guess like the former USA President Clinton said, these are just countries of concern, areas of concern, and Israel has security major issues, nothing more
Stephen E Hughes Idaho USA
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1, Our World Our friends the Chinese
Caroline Glick, THE JERUSALEM POST May. 16, 2005
Last Thursday it was reported that the US is suspending cooperation with Israel on the Arrow-2 missile defense system. If accurate, as the Middle East Newsline report noted, this will be the latest in a series of recent blows to US-Israel military cooperation, following the US decision not to fund the joint Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser project. That project, geared toward shooting down short-range rockets, missiles and mortars, is of utmost importance to Israel in light of the 10,000 rockets that Hizbullah has amassed in Lebanon and the ever-increasing Palestinian rocket and mortar capabilities.
Both decisions come on the heels of last month's decision by the Pentagon to drop Israel from the design process of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter – the next generation of US fighter jets that are set for delivery in 2012. The IAF views the F-35 as its fighter of choice for the future.
A source quoted by MENL explained the rationale for the encroaching US boycott: "It's all about China." As the report explained, "The Pentagon, with full support of the administration, does not want to deal with Israeli products or technology that could be sent to China."
2. Building evidence of China's strategic aid to Iran poses dilemma for White House
The Bush administration is coming under greater pressure from Congress for genuine sanctions on China. Congressional leaders have obtained testimony that Beijing has ignored numerous warnings and continues to supply Iran's strategic weapons programs.
Geostrategy-Direct, www.geostrategy-direct.com, April 12, 2005
3.Providing Arms China and the Middle East by Dan Blumenthal
Middle East Quarterly Spring 2005 http://www.meforum.org/article/695
4. New Israeli chief of staff to emphasize air power, shift focus to Iran
TEL AVIV
Under Halutz, the army, which lost about 50 percent of its procurement budget since 2002, would be reduced in both manpower and organization. This could include elimination of one of the three regional commands, sources said.
Geostrategy-Direct, www.geostrategy-direct.com, June 14, 2005
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16. Ethnic cleansing
How long did that take you to write. very impressive Jaaaareeed. you forgot that the Jews came to palestine as terrorist Gangs menahem Begen and shamier are wanted by the british government, these people comitted mass massacres to scare inisant people away they came from euorope mainly, what iam trying to say these jewish terrorist came from outside and stole a country cleansed its people and they are keeping the rest hostages.
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17. accessol's blind hatred
It is incredible that Hamas continues to declare its goal of destroying Israel, Abbas does nothing to disarm them and the other terrorist gangs (incuding his own Fatah), and Sharon is focing Israelis out of Gaza and the hater accessol blames Sharon. The parasite, accessol, and his ilk obviously agree with Hamas.
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18. RE:Ethnic cleansing
Jews legally purchased land in palestine, they didn't show up as "terrorist gangs". The gangs you speak of were not formed until after the Arab riots which killed hundreds of Jews (see, Hebron Massacre of 1929).
Either way, the Israelis eventually dismantled these terrorist groups - why cant the Palestinian authority follow suit?
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19. clearly your level of reading comprehension is not so good
I DID NOT WRITE ANY OF NUMBER 7!
It is a DIRECT QUOTE FROM WIKIPEDIA THAT I POSTED HERE FRO YOUR WISDOM TO EXAMINE THAT YOUR PEOPLE ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE ON THE PLANET THAT ARE REFUGEES! YET YOUR PEOPLE ARE THE ONLY ONES DEMANDING SUPREME RIGHT TO RETURN TO THE LAND U VOLUNTARILY LEFT AT THE BEQUEST OF YOUR ARAB COUSINS IN SURROUNDING COUNTRIES! TOO BAD THE OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES ARE NOT WILLING TO SHARE SOME OF THE WEALTH AND LEAVE YOUR PEOPLE POOR AND DESTITUTE! SHAME ON THE JORDANIANS FOR COMMITTING BLACK SEPTEMBER OR IS THAT OF NO IMPORTANCE - NEVERMIND THAT THEY'VE KILLED MORE PALESTINIANS THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET! IS OCCUPATION BY AN ARAB COUNTRY ACCEPTABLE TO YOU!
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20. Ethnic Cleansing
There are Arabs living in Israel who hold Israeli citizenchip, vote in elections and share all the legal benefits of citizenship. There are no Jews living in the Arab lands now. They were forced to flee from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, etc. THATS ETHNIC CLEANSING
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21. Palestine and Israel
Hey Linda Rivera, go to the UN Website and read the history of MiddleEast instead of fabricating it. My Palestinian Family of Ramallah, Palestine has at least 500 years of documented lineage. Jews of the world please stop fabricating history to further your interests and agenda. All peoples of the world deserve a place to live in peace with it's neighbors and to be able to call it home. The Jews of Europe stole the land from the Palestinian people in 1948, read your history. Why didn't the world body give the Jews part of Germany for reparations instead of steal land of people that had nothing to do with the terrible genocide of the Jewish people. The main Israeli/Zionist agenda is to remove as many if not all the Arabic speaking people in the strip of land currently known as Israel. It will be always known as Palestine to the rest of the world regardless of Israel's actions. The past peace accords, interim deals and other agreements were designed by the Israeli's to simply buy time while Israel continues to aquire land by confiscatation, redistribution and destruction of ancient lands occupied by the indegineous Arabs. And the clever Jews use these tackticks to place blame on the Arabs for not being a real partner for peace. It is Israel that was and still not operating in good faith. So let me ask this simple question. Do The Israeli / Jewish supporters and sympathizers around the world really think you can erase a people, a culture and a heritage. Isreal may have the military power now and that power is backed by the U.S. but remember Rome didn't last forever.
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