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Hamas plans victory parades
By Ronny Shaked
Published: 08.07.05, 23:18
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1. Hamas is So Dumb
Daniel ,   New York   (07.08.05)
These guys will fall right into the trap Sharon has set for them, unless Abbas really does something to stop them. The following moves are so obvious: 1. Israel withdraws from Gaza, winning the battle of worldwide public opinions with its "painful concessions." 2. Hamas celebrates and continues terrorist attacks etc., showing the world that "Israel made painful concessions and look what it got in return." 3. Israel reoccupies half the Gaza Strip (not the population centers) and annexes most of the West Bank. 4. The World does nothing because of item #2 above. 5. The Palestinians had their chance and they blew it. Game Over.
2. I agree
tjlb ,   USA   (07.09.05)
The only reason I have ever been able to ferret out for Sharon's withdrawal decision is exactly as stated above: to move out, let the chaos reign in Gaza, turn around and say to the world, "See?" and then move in for a more intensive occupation of the West Bank. I've never read anyone else's articulation of this until now. If this isn't the plan, WHAT, pray tell, could possibly be the reason for the withdrawal insanity?
3. Hamas Crows & With Good Reason
Adina Kutnicki ,   NJ, US   (07.09.05)
And so the 69 million dollar question is - what in heavens name is Sharon thinking? "Disengagement" from the PA Arabs has ALWAYS led to increased terror. Think about all the cities handed over to them on a silver platter. Then think of all the terror that eventually emanated out of these cities. Them's the facts folks whether you like it or not. What sane leader, with a vaunted army nonetheless, would do such a thing? If Sharon is looking to keep the IDF out of harms way by pulling out of Jewish Gaza, why did he continually place them in harms way over the past few years? Whose demented decision was it for them to enter in on foot ! into the terror nests of Jenin where many IDF soldiers died? In his frenzy to shield the PA population he placed the IDF in direct harm! It strains credibility that now he seeks to lessen the losses by pulling them out. In addition, any normal leader in the war campaign in Jenin would have bombed from the air like the US does. Who the heck is he trying to fool now with his sudden concern for Jewish lives? No wonder Hamas is planning a victory parade. They outfoxed the entire Sharon gov't.
4. IDF should bomb the hamas pigs!
Daisy ,   USA   (07.09.05)
5. Daniel
Fadi ,   Gaza   (07.09.05)
You are right and this is exactly what will happen and it is all unfortunate. Another ten years wasted. Ps & Is are idiots!!!!!!!!!!
6. Hamas is Do Dumb
Dave ,   San Diego   (07.09.05)
Sorry Daniel, but the world hates Jews and no matter what happens after Gaza, Israel will have to give more. The US will force them to. Israel needs to develop strategic alliances with China. They have no hope in the West. Unfortunately, the spirit of 67 is gone, Israel lacks the will to take preemptive actions which they need to do to survive.
7. May the blind see!
S.H.   (07.09.05)
How dumb can the world's statemen get? If you don't play by the rules, you don't play! Terrorists refuse to limit their warfare to the battlefield and insist on harming civilian innocents- men, women and children of all ages, religions and backgrounds, all over the globe to make their point. Were they to really have a reasonable cause, just their motus operundi should make them despised enough to have the world rise up against them! How many more barbaric acts will the world alllow them to perpetrate? Do we really believe that the Arab states and leaders have no way to control terrorism? Are they making an honest attempt? What is being taught in the schools? That is where it all begins. Their goal is Muslimization of the world, and mowing down anyone who tries to stop them! - this includes Sharon, Blair and Bush! Anything that empowers these barbarians is dangerous AND A STUPID STEP for EVERYONE else, YES EVERYONE! Wake up world!
8. Terrorism was a last resort
(07.09.05)
The Pals were forced to fight this way. they were neutered from a miltary of their own. I am sorry, that terrorism exists, it is a heartbreaking, experience for everyone, but leave a defenseless people that are being occuppied to nothing but stones to defend their philosophy ,life,labd and religion and terrorism is created. Bless all, that have the understanding that we are all here together, as equal humans under GOD , sharing this planet.
9. Are you Happy at Ynet
(07.09.05)
10. bomb the parade, obviously anyone who is wearing uniforms in
(07.09.05)
that parade is part of a terror organization so bomb it to shreds.
11. not so simple # 1
Yair ,   Jerusalem   (07.09.05)
The foolish pullout will boost the moral of the palestinian terrorists. The israelis and not the palestinians will be deported from their homes. So the terror will go on and the world community will say : it is because Israel didn' t do enough so now u have to expel Jews from Judea-Shomron (West Bank) and a part of Jerusalem. Sharon is not intelligent enough to trap palestinians. Sharon is a old, fat and tired little politician....
12. Danial #1
Amir ,   Ramallah-Palestine   (07.09.05)
One thing to tell U . U R so stuiped. Israel is escaping from Gaza and doesnt have the power to renter it again.keep dreaming baby, book ticket to states baby b4 its too late.
13. To Amir (12)
(07.09.05)
Yep, we only have 4000 tanks, 10,000 APCs (nagmash), 1000 air vehicles and half a million soldiers. That's deffinetly not enough power to beat 30,000 retard terrorists.. We can turn Gaza into the world's largest hole if we wish.
14. to#1 and # 13
Noor ,   Nablus, Palestine   (07.09.05)
Believe it or not believe it the Gaza Strip withdrawal is a direct result of the Hamas’s military triumph over Israel. Israel never gives peace by negotiation….I advise you to read about Israel history….and now they start to believe that power does not matter….having high-tech weapon does not mean you have the World….look what is happening for the Americans in Iraq…Sharon is welling to “escape” from Gaza for ever….if you remember what Rabin said when he was a prime minister “I wish one day I wake up and find Gaza in the sea”…..go and check it in Rabin’s book…..yes Israel has a weapon which can destroy Gaza completely, but they know that they can not do it…..destroying Gaza means destroying Israel….regarding Hamas, I see you guys are talking about group without having a brief background. You said Hamas is a terror group….can I ask you why?? ….I see that you are jumping to conclusion. Take this example, if someone come to your home kills your dad, takes your brother, destroys your home, etc. what is your action will be….and this is exactly what is happening in Palestine …Israeli soldiers “the Israeli terrors” are killing, destroying, jailing, etc. and of course you do not know these, because the media shows you what Hamas is doing they do not show you what the Israeli terrors do. Hamas is a group which fights against the occupation. The group is highly organized and it is ruled by a highly educated people. Hamas never did any attacks out side. They have one enemy. Even though Israel tried to take the attack out side, and they killed a lot of Hamas members out side. But Hamas replied in side. So who is the terrorist ….you will say Hamas kills civilians, but before you say that ask yourself what the Israeli solders are doing in Gaza and West bank since 1967. I am not a Hamas member and I have nothing to do with Politics and I am against killing the Civilians. But I have this question, why Israel solders killed my 10 yr old brother and destroyed our home in 1991?? …..Hamas will celebrate their victory in Gaza and they have the right to do that…..you guys take this advise from me, we “Palestinians” like peace and would like to leave peacefully….but we need the just peace…not the forced peace….I have a lot of Jewish friends in Israel in Tel aviv, Naharia, Aker, Hetrzilia, etc. we still keep in touch…believe it our not they use to say to me that Israel is the most racist country in the World….they differentiate between Jewish and non Jewish, Arabs and Christians, etc. However, in Nablus (my city in Palestine) you find Christians, Muslims, and Jewish living together without any tiny problems. At the last, guys you should talk a close look before you jamb to conclusion. I advise you to read about our culture, religions, and life. Do not follow the manipulated media. Media never says the truth….. Noor
15. Hamas Plans victory Parade
MED ,   USA   (07.10.05)
Transferf the 'Palestinians' to 22 Arab league nations. They have $3 billion for victory parades, to celebrate with dancing in the streets of Arabia and distribute candy to Arabs all over the world.
16. To Nour (14), I live close to you (Ariel)
(07.10.05)
I know enough about you and your life. In 1967 we didn't shoot the first bullet, the Egyptians did by blkcing the Tiran straits. Before the first intifadah we lived peacefuly with you, our soldiers used to walk in the streets of all your cities, sometimes not even armed. Israeli Citizens came to buy stuff in your cities and we had good life except of some fools within you that used to attack us by kidnapping people. Hamas is a terror organization because they deliberatly attack civilians, their main goal is to kill as many Jews as possible and to cause as much death as possible inside the green line to collapse our economy and cause the destruction of Israel. We can not allow this, so we attack you back with a very light hand. In Jenin we could easily call everybody to leave their homes and to later bomb the whole place with planes, but we didn't we risked soldiers and we lost soldiers because we do not want to kill civilians. The terrorists tried to cause as much public relations damage to Israel so they forced the civilians to stay in their homes so they'd be killed. These people do not fight occupation, they cause it. We wouldn't be in your cities unless there were terrorists within them. As for the Chritians in the Palestinian society, you are so wrong. Why is Beit-Lehem no longer a Christian city? Because you kill them or make them leave it. As Hamas said, "first saturday, then sunday" (first we kill Jews later Christians). Christians used to be 15% of the west bank residents, now they are only 2%, what has happend to them? As for your friends, they are called Anarchists here or extreme-left. They will never tell you the real situation in Israel because they are as much terrorists as the Hamas.
17. To 14
(07.10.05)
"Israel never gives peace by negotiation…" You mean like the three arab "no's" "I advise you to read about Israel history…" Like how the arabs started all the wars? And Israel now has to control these areas to stop the aggressing party? "destroying Gaza means destroying Israel…." Ya sparky, keep thinking that. Gaza overall is a dump, and had originally been used as prison camp by the Egyptians. Honestly gaza would be better used a trash site. " You said Hamas is a terror group….can I ask you why??" Because they are delibretly attacking civilians? And hide inbetween a civilian population. "are killing, destroying, jailing, etc. " This wouldn't happen if the arabs didn't try to kill us at every step. Thats a fact. "Hamas is a group which fights against the occupation. " Yes by blowing up children. Hail blowing up children of the occupation, the brave men they are! " Hamas never did any attacks out side. They have one enemy. " Yes thats why the hamas website had videos of terrorists in Iraq killing US troops, and praising their actions in Iraq. "So who is the terrorist " Hamas "you will say Hamas kills civilians" I do not say, because it is a fact. "but before you say that ask yourself what the Israeli solders are doing in Gaza and West bank since 1967." Targetting terrorists who secifically place themselves inbetween a civilian population Even admitted by a hamas member http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=623899&page=3 'He was taught what car to drive not a Subaru, known as the militants' preferred car. Where to live not in an isolated house, which can easily be targeted by an Israeli missile.' "But I have this question, why Israel solders killed my 10 yr old brother and destroyed our home in 1991??" Considering that you are even telling the truth. I am very sorry for your loss. The best way for this to end is first off not allow terrorists into the areas where you guys live. If you don't Israeli soldiers there, tell hamas not to be there. "Hamas will celebrate their victory in Gaza and they have the right to do that….." They are free to continue to delude themselves. "believe it our not they use to say to me that Israel is the most racist country in the World…." Using leftists extremists and anarchists are not an example of Israeli society. And if it is so racists they are more than welcome to move to saudi arabia or any other arab country. " you find Christians, Muslims, and Jewish living together without any tiny problems. " Ahh yes arab co-existence: unless you don't agree with me. Then you die!
18. to amir &noor
ozy ,   deep south   (07.10.05)
where's palestine? you keep waiving its name ,but i couldn't find it anywhere.... probably ,god willing ,never will... as for your hamas boasting a victory--- it is all arab daawin ,showoff, to boost their ranks ,plus it's what the masters from iran have ordered. you may rejoice today ,but the inevitable will happen-- israel will retake the gaza strip, causing hundreds of hamas deads, and will probably throw out the tunis gang , and kick all of you to where you belong-- 22 ot arab countries ,from where you came from!
19. To # 17 and # 18
Noor ,   Nablus, Palestine   (07.10.05)
You forgot that I mentioned to you do not believe the manipulated media…..the news you see it from the internet or in the TV is from the Israeli point of view, but unfortunately you did not see the other point of view….I have a lot of links and tapes about Israelis killing civilians and children….I know it is hard to convince you guys because you were born on that….you advised me to read about Israel history, since when???....how did Israel established….how many civilians they killed…and how many refugees they made ......Hamas has nothing to do in Iraq….but we and Iraqis are under occupation…so it is part of sympathy ….so you are saying what people in Iraq are doing against the Americans is terrorist ….this means we do not need to chat….What the Americas are doing in Iraq is the Terrorist (see the movie of Fahrenheit 9/11)…anyway we do not need to leave our negotiations….you admitted that your soldiers were in our cities in 1967 and everything was running peacefully….but you did not answer what they were doing….if everything was peacefully so why they were stealing the land and building settlements…keep in mind that Hamas was established in 1989. regarding the Christians…I advise you to visit Bethlehem and meet with people there and ask them… “again, do not follow the news”….you did not answer why Tel-aviv university rejected me even though I have already an acceptant from my research supervisor … you said that (Using leftists extremists and anarchists are not an example of Israeli society)…I tried to no mentioned about the Arabs who are living in “Israel” because I was afraid from such an answer …can you tell me more about Israel society …I know that you have Jewish, not Jewish, Christians, Arabs….can you tell me who is the good or who wants to make peace with us…keep in mind that the one who killed Rabbin and threading Sharon is from your side not from ours. Moreover, if Israel is not a racist country why there is no equality between the people there….do not say there is I know everything….Regarding your words “unless you don't agree with me. Then you die! “…this certifies that you guys do not accept negotiations ….agreeing with you or not agreeing with you has nothing to do with death…..it is just a negotiations or a matter of opinions… For #18 if you could not find Palestine it is your problem not mine….I advise you to read about the others not just about Israel. Also when did Israel exist!!! For what you mentioned about us ..it does not worth a reply…either you behave and know how to negotiate with the others or save your time and do something benefits for your life
20. Re. #1
Meir ,   USA   (07.11.05)
That plan is what they hope for. THe problem is that this was also what Rabin, Peres, and Barak all thought with Oslo and the other plans. In the end, all it did was whet the apetite for the Arabs/Muslims, and it also had little or no affect on the world in their attitude towards Israel. If anything, it caused them to join in an even louder chorus of pressure on Israel to withdraw further and further. http://www.arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=69106
21. To Noor in the Holyland
Norman Cohen ,   Jerusalem Isreal   (07.11.05)
You say "For #18 if you could not find Palestine it is your problem not mine….I advise you to read about the others not just about Israel. Also when did Israel exist!!! For what you mentioned about us ..it does not worth a reply…either you behave and know how to negotiate with the others or save your time and do something benefits for your life " Unfortunately there is no and never has been a State of Palestine or for that matter a nation called Palestinians ,and all the propaganda and spin in the world cannot create one - only the perfidy of the nations seeking the destruction of Israel has created the problem between us. For there has always been and always will be a Land of Israel and since 1948 there has also been a sovereign democratic State of Israel. Whilst it is hard for you to swallow this truth I do not blame you but blame it on the lies and falsehoods you have been fed by your parents and teachers since birth. When your elders and teachers start telling and teaching you the truth there will be more chance for peace between us.
22. Let's bomb Gaza after the withdrawl!
Dav   (07.27.05)
Let's bomb Gaza after the withdrawl!
23. I'm so tired of Muslims!
Dav   (07.27.05)
If you look at the 15 world conflicts, most involve Muslims!
24. Gaza is only the begining
Hasan ,   Helsinki   (08.04.05)
Whatever you guys might say about Hamas, Hamas remains big in our eyes. It was Hamas that brought us Plaestinians this little victory. It is difinitely little because Gaza strip is only 1.5% of the entire Palestine but it is a good start. Insha'aAllah the day when you will take your words and lies about Tel-Aviv back will come; just like how Nitzarim day have come.
25. To #13
Ali ,   Gaza   (08.04.05)
You have all this power and you cant stay in Gaza ...this is the war betwenn Power and Right ..Right will always win !!all over history occupation is more powerfull than resistance ..and always resistance win !!..this starts to take place in Palestine and Iraq and let us wait and see !!!
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