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'Israel will eventually disappear'
By Dian Bahur-Nir and Ali Waked
Published: 11.07.05, 20:59
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1. Disgusting
eve ,   Jerusalem   (07.11.05)
Like his dream will ever become reality...keep dreaming maybe allah will save your terroristic soul.
2. how to get officially invited to Europe:
mike ,   usa   (07.11.05)
just say you want peace in interviews and bomb all you want. then Europe will roll out the red carpet for you - it sure worked for Arafat.
3. Benny Elon Is Right
Yishai Kohen ,   YeShA, Israel   (07.11.05)
http://www.therightroadtopeace.com/eng/DefaultEng.html
4. the past
(07.11.05)
let's go back together to the seventies and remeber mr. Yaser Arafat and the PLO ... what was his titel that time him and the PLO .... terrorists and Arafat is the leader .... wanted no.1 in america and Israel .... afew years later .... the PLO became the PA and Arafat is the elected president of the PA .... and he was the one which all the leaders not only of Israel but the whole world had to deal with him ... later on ... he shared mr. Perez the Nobel prize for peace .... what a life .... no body learn from the history .... Hamas one day will be the same .... let's watch together
5. BIBLE-G-D "I AM EXCEEDINGLY JEALOUS FOR JERUSALEM AND ZION"
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.11.05)
Thousands of years ago, G-D in the Bible, foretold of this present time: Psalm 83: "They make shrewd plans against Your people, and conspire together against Your treasured ones. They have said, "Come, and let us wipe them out as a nation, that the name of Israel be remembered no more." For they have conspired together with one mind; against You they make a covenant."
6. THERE NEVER WAS AN ARAB NATION OF PALESTINE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.11.05)
Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. JERUSALEM IS MENTIONED OVER 800 TIMES IN THE BIBLE, not once in the Koran. Around 1948, Arabs VIOLENTLY ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ABOUT ONE MILLION JEWS from Arab countries. Arab governments seized the land, homes, bank accounts, businesses and assets of the Jews. Most of the Jewish refugees fled to Israel. THERE MUST NOW BE A JUST SETTLEMENT FOR THE JEWISH REFUGEES AND THEIR DESCENDANTS - COMPENSATION IN LAND AND FINANCIALLY. In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza and ethnically cleansed ALL Jews. In 1948, Jordan invaded Judea-Samaria (West Bank) and east Jerusalem and ETHNICALLY CLEANSED ALL JEWS. Jordan, opposing Israel's G0D-Creator of the universe, DESTROYED 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. In 1967, when Israel won Islam's religious war of aggression against it, Jews returned to the areas of their homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Islamofascists DECEITFULLY call this return "occupation" The Jews must have returned to them immediately ALL of their Jewish land, homes, properties and businesses stolen from them in the Islamic invasion in 1948. Under international law, territories are considered "occupied" only when taken in an act of aggression which does not apply to Israel. Judea, Samaria and Gaza are not 'occupied territories' because they were not taken from any foreign sovereign. In 1922, the British illegaly gave Arabs most of Palestine-80%. The area became Jordan, giving Arabs an Arab Palestinian state. IT WAS ETHNICALLY CLEANSED OF JEWS! This area is Jewish land, part of ancient Biblical Israel and along with present-day Israel, including Judea, Samaria, Gaza and the Golan was recognized by the League of Nations as the Jewish homeland. There are 22 HUGE, OIL-WEALTHY ARAB STATES covering over six million square miles, over ten percent of the land surface of earth. TINY, over-crowded Israel just one tenth of one percent of the Middle East. In Islam ALL NON-MUSLIM countries are regarded as the house of war to be conquered for Islam. The Hamas goal of the conquest and destruction of ALL Israel is the goal of the PLO/Palestinian Authority.
7. Their are two solutions for Israel to have peace
Sal Azam ,   Chicago, USA   (07.11.05)
One solution is to pull back to Pre June 6th 1967 borders as Sharon had agreed with President Bush on April 2003. The second solution is to make the country into a Republic of Israel and Palestine and to treat the Palestinians Muslims and Christians equal to the Israeli Jews. Make it one country. And let elections decide the faith of the country. Let not the country be based on a the superiority of a single race. Building up a wall, 120 illegal settlements , defiant to the world and U.S, causing invasions of countries like Iraq and Afghanistan is going to back fire on Israel. Israel should exist as a peaceful neighbor and should end its occupation because its occupation is leading the world to crisis, in Afghanistan after 9/11 then in Iraq the Americans and the British are being beaten. They are already crying it is the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Bush has warned, urged, pleaded with Sharon several times and Sharon rejected it. Time will put more pressure on the U.S ,Europe, Russia, Africa and the rest of the world to put decisive pressure on Israel let it be sanctions or other force and before Israel reaches that stage it should do the right thing and exist as a peaceful neighbor alongside Palestine. Sometimes right is might as you can see in Iraq and the same can happen with Israel as what is happening with the U.S in Iraq.
8. The future
Yishai Kohen ,   YeShA, Israel   (07.11.05)
Let's go back and remember Sheikh Yassin. This is what we'll do with the rest of the terrorists; Hellfire enemas. This is what brought us peace. Capitulating to terror brought us war.
9.  # 7
Eli Vardi ,   Israel   (07.11.05)
The only answer is to accept a Jewish State in its' right ful homelands and a Palestinian State on ex Jordanian and Egyptian lands. Actually, as we all know, Trans Jordan also only came into existance in '48 too. I wish the New state of Palestine success, for my own ,and its citizens sake. I think it's a good idea to give these desendents of wandering nomads a National State. They've no history of a State, but they deserve to put down roots like every other ethnic group in the world.
10. To Mike #2
Pieter ,   the Netherlands   (07.11.05)
Mike, You can’t even imagine how right you are. A lot of politicians here think that if you feed a mad dog properly that it stops biting. It seems that they don’t know that mad dog will bite anyway, hungry or not. Its not hunger what drives it.
11. Linda Rivera
Emad ,   Egypt - Switzerland   (07.11.05)
you are poor one Linda , i am not attacking you but i think realy you are poor one , i have the feeling that you can not enjoy anything in this life , the hate inside eatings you ... why don't you go to Palistin and speake to the people maybe you will change your mind about them ... be sure they are not terrorists like you think ... you will find very nice people ... they will invite in their homes or their tends to eat with them ... Jeruslem belong to the people who lived on this land .... they were Jews ... then some became Christians ... later alot became Muslims and the arabs they were not more than the original people and after they are all mixed together .... maybe you will find some Muslims there are part of your family but they changed their relegion .... zion is nothing to be proud ... most of the world they don't like them because of the hate they have inside and because they are able to do any thing legal or not legal for their interest ... take it easy mam .. we are all humanbeens and there is nothing called chosen people by God ... we have all the same God and we are all for him and God is for all too ... God is love , forgiven , sympathy , mercy not for haters and revengers .... look to the sky and pray and ask God to help you getting rid of this hate .... God bless you
12. To #2 ans #4
Nick ,   USA   (07.11.05)
If you follow the same logic...didn't Yitzhak Shamir become Prime Minister and Europe rolled out the red carpt for him? Wasn't he wanted in England for his terrorist activities? No matter which way you look at it, terror is wrong regardless of who's doing it. Read this: http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/120957.php Yitzhak Shamir: Speaking On Zionist Terrorism. by Average Jeff: What zioBigots are hiding • Monday July 14, 2003 at 04:26 PM First and foremost, terror is for us a part of the political war appropriate for the circumstances of today...” “Neither Jewish morality nor Jewish tradition can be used to disallow terror as a means of war... We are very far from any moral hesitations when concerned with the national struggle. First and foremost, terror is for us a part of the political war appropriate for the circumstances of today...” — Yitzhak Shamir Israeli Prime Minister, Zionist terrorist in an August 1943 article titled “Terror”, written for Hazit the journal of Lehi, the terrorist organization he belonged to
13. to Linda
(07.11.05)
you said it .... after 1948 .... do you know why after 1948 not before ? .. i am sure you know but this facts don't suit you , i ask you now ... how the Jews lived in the Arab countries before 1948 ...they had bad treatment ? they were second degree citizens? or how it was their life there ? .. i will wait for your answer
14. awww what a nice guy
Superman   (07.11.05)
Thanks for the love, Zahar! Your hatered, religion and fantasies of genocide have really gotten you far, so far! Marvellous people, them Palestinians!
15. #14 superman
Nick ,   USA   (07.11.05)
hey superman, read #12 and tell me what you think. I'm a palestinian american by the way.
16. Refreshing article, thank you!
Ann C. ,   MO, USA   (07.11.05)
I just love it when the Leader of HAMAS tells it like it is. Until ALL OF ISRAEL belongs to the Arabs THERE WILL BE NO PEACE. Mahmoud has been open and upfront with you Israelis. Too bad your OWN GOVERNMENT can't say the same.
17. Sal, what chew smokin'?
Earl Mann ,   Toronto, Canada   (07.11.05)
You've got 2 chances of Israel becoming a bi-national State...zero-and, none. Your thesis on how to achieve "Peace in our time" is yet another example of Arabic masturbatory thinking. It is just drivel. If you want peace Sal, go tell your Mullahs, as well as, your people to stop inciting hatred against us, and, continually trying to kill us...The only thing Arab culture has contributed to the World in the last 100+ years is: terrorism. Mazel Tov on your achievement. You should feel very proud.
18. emad; Linda speaks the truth!
Daisy ,   USA   (07.11.05)
19. The myth of "Palestine."
Daisy ,   USA   (07.11.05)
There was never a "Palestinian" country or people. http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/palestine/html
20. Israel will never be destroyed!
Daisy ,   USA   (07.11.05)
It existed thousands of years ago and will continue to exist because God is on it's side.
21. nick
mike ,   usa   (07.12.05)
which is exactly why israel has renounced its own terrorist activities. and, unlike arafat, shamir meant it. everybody hoped and believed that arafat was changing his ways. oh well.
22. Don't worry Mahmoudy
t.l. ,   Israel   (07.12.05)
There's already a Hellfire with your name on it.
23. Israelis will eventually disappear
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.12.05)
Hamas leader, Mahmoud al-Zahar will eventually disappear, hopefully before 5 to 10 years.I want to see him fight against one of the most powerful armies in the world. What an idiot !!
24. Daisy
(07.12.05)
you are repeating the same thing ... read well my answer to linda... smile
25. Daisy again
Emad ,   Egypt - Switzerland   (07.12.05)
if we take by the same way Linda say it ... so there was nothing called Israel too before 1948 ... but tow peacful independec states with the borders of before the 5th June 1967 will finish the story and everybody will live in peace after ... the Palistinians too want to have normal life too like all the others ... they sufferd alot and they are waiting to live a bit better ... and the Arab world confirmed this too and desided to make normalisation with Israel after ... no body means that Israel will be distroy it ... Arafat and the PLO said it too ... but he was siting after with mr. Rabin shaking his hand and signed with him the peace agreament .... it's very simple but very compicated ... and blaming eachother the whole time it's endless and don'r serve both nations .... Shalom
26. To number 15
Superman   (07.12.05)
Yes, we had terrorists, but our terrorist were like the IRA or the Basque terrorists - they had negotiable demands, and they didnt want to kill as many innocent people as they could. They hit military targets, not buses and cafes and trains. Your attempts at moral equivalence are therefore false.
27. They Tell It Like It Is
Adina Kutnicki ,   NJ, US   (07.12.05)
Give "credit" where "credit" is due. Al-Zahar, an arch terrorist, doesn't babble like Sharon and his lapdogs. He crows for all the world to hear what their murderous intentions are. One has to wonder why they don't feel the need to be more circumspect. The answer is because they KNOW that Israel's leaders have been collapsing from internal weakness, and delusional thinking for years. If they can get what they want with brutal honesty AND terror attacks, why should they hide their intentions? The urgent question is - why are Israel's leaders helping along Al-Zahar and his terror cohorts by committing national suicide? There is NO doubt left that in our lifetime there will not be ANY peace. Period.
28. HAMAS
DAVID CORDELL ,   ROSSVILLE,USA   (07.12.05)
THESE KIND OF REMARKS SHOULD BE HEARD AROUND THE GLOBE, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE TRUE INTENT OF THE TERRORIST, ISRAEL SHOULD NOT GIVE ONE INCH OF LAND TO HAMAS OR ANYBODY ELSE THEY HAVE BENT OVER BACKWARDS FOR PEACE AND IT HAS GOTTEN THEM NOTHING. THAT ANYONE WOULD DEAL WITH HAMAS OTHER THAN ARRESTING THEM IS HORRIFIC. WHAT THOSE WHO HAVE LOST LIVES AT THE HAND OF THESE GROUPS ONLY TO SEE US TREAT THEM AS THO THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT OF A COUNTRYMUST FEEL.OUR LEADERS NEVER GET IT , IF THEY WOULD ONLY LISTEN TO WHAT THEY ARE BEING TOLD BY THOSE WHO SEEK ISRAEL'S DESTRUCTION,IT WOULD BECOME CLEAR THE INTENT IS THE SAME FOR US ALL .
29. To 12 - re: Shamir and Lehi
Shai ,   Israel   (07.12.05)
Provide the context for his comments: 1) 1943 was the end of WWII - it was clear that 1/3 of the Jewish people were killed by the Germans in the Holocaust by then, and Shamir obviously felt that the world would respond with silence to his methods, as they had to the Holocaust and the death of tens of millions in the recent war. Nobody was a stranger to extreme violence in 1943 - everybody was numb from it. Time has passed since then and when dialog is an option, what is served by Palestinian militancy? 2) Lehi was founded when no other Jewish militant groups were willing to accept his methods. Contrast this with Palestinian groups - is there any militant group that feels terrorist methods are unacceptable? Not one. 3) Even then, and certainly not now, there was no popular support for Lehi's methods that comes close to the popular support of Palestinians for terrorism against Jews. Therefore, how is Shamir's opinion relevant to today? What do you claim it proves, that Palestinian terrorism is acceptable because you found one article by one extremist in 1943? If you found 5 articles it would be more acceptable? Rediculous.
30. Emad..
Natan ,   USA   (07.12.05)
I would love to know where you get your history facts from. Had i used your facts in my history classes i will fail big time.
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