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Published: 13.09.05, 12:24
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1. islamic terrorists all over the world bomb innocent
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA   (09.13.05)
civilians and these scum want to arrest a Jew? What garbage.
2. Shula and Yossi's friends.
Ilan ,   Ariel   (09.13.05)
You have to give the Meretz crowd credit. They work to get IDF officiers arrested as Nazis while defaming the "settlers" for comparing the IDF to Nazis. This must be some record in for Guinnes under "hypocrisy"
3. Mr. Machover! a few answers to your questions
Israel ,   Israeli   (09.13.05)
1. It seems to me that you, Mr. Machover, are a publicity seeking barrister who has chosen to attack the state of Israel. 2. With respect to your request, Mr. Machover, for an investigation into how Ambassador Mr. Hefetz and the Israeli embassy learned about the warrant against Major General Doron Almog... in order to save the British taxpayer a bit of money, allow me to explain. Well, Mr. Machover this is sort of a no brainer. You got a warrant (a warrant is a document of public record) issued against a foreign national who in all probability holds a diplomatic passport most likely the British Police and MI 5, having read the appropriate sections of the Geneva Conventions, decided that this was just not worth being involved in so they notified the Israelis who in turn either called Major General Doron Almog on his cellular phone or much more likely radioed the plane's pilot who then informed Major General Doron Almog. 3. As to why Major General Doron Almog wasn't arrested -- since clearly you haven't read the appropriate sections of the Geneva Conventions -- haven't you seen the movie "Terminal"? It's explained right there in that movie -- as long as Major General Doron Almog either doesn't get off the plane or alternatively doesn't go through passport control and get his passport stamped -- he is technically not on British soil. If he technically not on British soil he can't be arrested. 4. Further if as I suspect Major General Doron Almog is the holder of a diplomatic passport that diplomatic passport invests him with a little something called diplomatic immunity (please do go and read the appropriate sections of the appropriate Geneva Conventions relating to the use of diplomatic passports and diplomatic immunity). 5. Just for your information on its opening page the Israeli Diplomatic Passport reads: "The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the State of Israel requests all whom it may concern to allow the bearer of this passport to pass freely without hinderance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary." I suppose that means that the British Foreign Office decided to grant this request and strongly urged the British Police and the MI 5 to afford Major General Doron Almog afforementioned assistance and protection. I trust that answers your questions. Now, Mr. Machover, I have a few questions for you. 1. Have you just as zealously requested arrests against the individuals who carried out the terrorist attacks against the Israeli Ambassador Shlomo Argov and against the failed terrorist bombing against the Israeli Embassy in London in 1993? 2. Have you surrendered your Israeli citizenship and passport? I ask this question because clearly a person who feels so strongly against the state of Israel as to participate in bringing charges against one of the officers of the Israeli Defense Forces should of course be consistant in all matters and surrender his Israeli citizenship and return his Israeli passport. Finally, Mr. Machover, I will close by paraphasing Friedrich Nietszche: "He who defends monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster." I will take this opportunity to send you all good wishes for the coming Jewish New Year.
4. Is this a joke?
Uri ,   Ramat Aviv   (09.13.05)
I can't believe what I'm reading.. It's like the twilight zone, where murderers are defended/justified and those who defend themselves against those murderers are sought out for 'War Crimes.' Clearly little has been learnt from the horrors of WW2 The UK is seeping with anti-Semitism.. just listen to BBC Radio, read the Guardian Newspaper, or watch George Galloway in Parliament... You cannot even walk into a Marks & Spencer (Popular UK Grocery and Clothing Store) without noticing hordes of terrorist-sympathisers protesting the store's "Zionist abetment" I believe Tony Blair has been one of the only UK leaders who hasn't been radically biased against Israel and Jews, when he leaves and the new UK leadership has views that resemble Mr Machover then I believe Israel should suspend all diplomatic relations with the UK until London can learn to distance itself from such extremism, racism, and bigotry
5. Who needs enemies?
amir ,   tel aviv, israel   (09.13.05)
With friends like this (Yesh Gvul) and other such "israeli" organizations, who needs enemies?????? We will destroy ourselves. All the arabs need to do is sit back and enjoy the show as the Israelis and Jews destroy themselves.
6. Yesh Gvul in England
Norbert Lipszyc ,   France   (09.13.05)
The Yzsh Gvul leaders should be arrested in Israel on treason charges. Knowing the freedom of the judiciary system in Israel, if this group had any ground for their complaint against Almog they should have lodged their complaint in Israel. They chose to do it in England to hurt Israel the most, because they know very well that their complaint is not receivalbe and theat eventually Almog would be cleared by any free court. This is treason : acting in the only intention of hurting one's country.
7. Charge UK muslims who support terror
Eyal ,   israel   (09.13.05)
all it will take are a few high-profile jewish lawyers to file a complaint against those fanatics who support terrorism in Israel and against jews in the west. Take the fight to the enemy!!!
8. Machover is Jewish?
Russel ,   Israel   (09.13.05)
Well, maybe he's going to be here for Pesach - "Next year in Jerusalem, they say, eh Daniel?" Then again, maybe not. If I worked passport control you can guess who I'd send back to the UK. What a silly boy.
9. traitors - Jesh Gvul
nadav ,   misgav   (09.13.05)
Guys, there is fine line between striving for peace and coexistence and going over it. As we know the way to hell is paved with best intentions. Putting the best of this country to court is simply digusting and I personally think that such people should either be abroad or thrown to prison. Seems you love Hamas more than Zahal - you need consulting!
10. Self hating jews
Jacob Former Swede ,   TA, Israel   (09.13.05)
they are everywhere, in Israel and in the diaspora ! Does anybody have a cure ?
11. Hilarious
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (09.13.05)
Yes I wonder how the Israeli embassy managed to circumvent all that security @ Heathrow airport to inform Major Almog...?? Hey I don't suppose they used that highly rare and new gadget called "the mobile phone"... do you? Apparently these people have never travelled with Israelis on a plane as if they did they would know that the first thing that gets switched on upon landing (and i bet in many cases much before landing) is that secret intelligence weopon "the mobile phone"... That's how they "circumvented" the security.... i reckon...
12. Doron Almog and charity
Daniel ,   Cambridge, U.K.   (09.13.05)
The article does not mention why Doron Almog arrived in the U.K. Well, he came to raise awareness and money for a charity that works with the disabled. I would suggest that all contribute to this charity whose mission may have been harmed by this event. Further, I suggest that all contributers also inform the U.K. lawyers of your donation.
13. I'm amazed at Menuhin
Russel ,   israel   (09.13.05)
Does he think he can just ignore the innocents murdred by Shahada? Imagine the conversation 50 years ago: "Yes, we are bringing charges against the UK for having bombed Hitler's bunker in WWII. "One of the bombs missed and killed german civilians and we want the pilot to be charged for war crimes. "Such a naughty boy that pilot." What kind of Jews are these Yesh gevulim? Shtiyot!
14. Treason must be confronted
Rafael ,   Jerusalem   (09.13.05)
While one should never use the word treason lightly, what "Yesh Gvul" is doing is nothing less than treacherous and treasonous. They have the right to criticize what they think is wrong about Israeli policy. But they have no right to harm those who are doing all they can to protect them and other Israelis from terrorism. In taking this action, "Yesh Gvul" is allying itself with the terrorists and all those who wish to harm Israel. Legal action must be taken against such a despicable group that stabs its own country's defenders in the back. Too bad, we can not drop the members of "Yesh Gvul" in the middle of a Hamas camp. We know what their fate would be, and in this case they would deserve it.
15. Disgusting Anti-Israelis
Eliana Prager ,   Raanana, Israel   (09.13.05)
The left wing in Israel is formed by the most disgusting people! They should be sent to live in the destroyed Gaza assentments, with who they think are their real friends! It was really a waste to destroy all the beautiful houses and communities that took us so long to built... Maybe these left guys would be happier there!!!!
16. You ask : Who is Daniel Machover?
raykie ,   Israel   (09.13.05)
Here are some extracts from an article at : http://www.spr-consilio.com/schofieldmachover.html "Daniel Machover, a spokesman and founder-member of Lawyers for Palestinian Human Rights, is Jewish and of dual Israeli-British nationality." "Machover’s own background is interesting – although he himself would deny this. 'His parents were Sabras, born in Palestine to a family of Zionists on both sides of his parents’ marriage. His Polish grandmother had arrived in the ‘20s and then established several kibbutzes. The proclivity to stand up and be counted must be a Machover family trait. After the 1967 war, his parents were among a group of Israeli Jews who opposed Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. They put their names to an advertisement in an Israeli newspaper, along with many others who felt the same, urging the State of Israel to withdraw behind the 1967 borders." "When Daniel Machover has visited the occupied territories, he’s worked with Palestinian human rights groups – and some of those who work for them are aware of his background."
17. THE SHABAK MUST DESTROY THE SUBVERSIVE BOLSHEVIK YESH GVUL
Yair ,   Israel   (09.13.05)
18. fed up with israeli left-wing traitors !!!
(09.13.05)
19.  teens of Gush Katif were in jail and Machover is free !
(09.13.05)
20. Yesh Gvul
David Lewis ,   Israel   (09.13.05)
yesh gvul - and they have crossed it big time. Any sympathy I had for the left has now evaporated. Why also "davka achshav" when Israel has just pulled out of Gaza. We are a nation riddled with self-haters - yesh gvul has just shot themselves in the foot, and also hopefully damaged their ideological lovers in Meretz as well. You are a bunch of self-hating individuals who I am ashamed to call "fellow" jews or Israelis. I have no words to descibe my utter contempt of you pathetic traitors who should be sitting in jail right now. There are people on the right on the left, religious, secular, whatever, but we all think that you are the lowest of the low. The irony is that the people you target are often on the left (look at Boogie Ayalon). Well you conceited self-hating idiots - if you don't like Israel, go and live in Gaza - 95% of the country will be pleased to get rid of you. Again, I have no words to descibe my utter contempt for your actions and I hope that the Israeli public now sees who the far left really are. Am Israel Chai - its a shame that people like you have to stain this beautiful nation.
21. Machover is a traitor
Nannette ,   London   (09.13.05)
It's clear that Machover doesn't think Israel has the right to defend itself in a war situation and should therefore be branded as a traitor. He should have his Israeli nationality revoked, now that he's living with his friendly anti-Israel community in London. It's the only way to deal with traitors like this - and maybe he can also act in defence of terrorists like Abu Hamza and Mohammed Bakri if he ever wants to return here. Obviously he thinks the Islamist terrorists should be given preferential treatment over and above those of the innocent civilians who have been murdered in the name of Allah.
22. HELP ACT ON MACHOVER
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva - Switzerland   (09.13.05)
PLEASE HELP TO ACT......... as an internet commantator I have started and ask for your support NOW contact me please and I will pass addresses on, etc... THANKS Ms. G. Goldwater Switzerland, Geneva iii44@aol.com Internet Correspondent and Commentator http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/ Member of "Funding for Peace Coalition" [FPC] [www.euFunding.org ]
23. this war criminal ordered 56 civilian homes destroyed
edward ,   las vegas   (09.13.05)
that is a direct violation of the geneva conventions. if your country does not have real democratic institutions which police your own people, then it is the duty of the rest of the world to ensure that war criminals such as your general do not go unpunished. it is time for the us justice system to adopt the same tactic, so that these murderers and war criminals cannot travel the world freely, but have to stay in their tiny hot desert for the rest of their lives.
24. an in depth, unbiased look at the war crimes
edward ,   las vegas   (09.13.05)
here is an independant article written to describe the war crimes perpertrated by this war criminal, in direct contradiction with the geneva conventions. if you don't police your own people, someone has to. this is just the beginning unless you reform your institutions to be democratic instead of racist. http://www.palestinemonitor.org/updates/war_crimes.htm
25. important factual information
edward ,   las vegas   (09.13.05)
from said article: Israel's razing of houses in Rafah is clearly a war crime and constitutes a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which protects civilians under occupation (and which Israel has signed and ratified). Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention states that: "No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited." Article 53 forbids "Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons" -- another clear reference to house demolitions. The mass demolitions were a particularly dramatic and visible violation of international law, but hardly the only one. Because the Geneva Convention defines "occupation" as a temporary condition and therefore prohibits occupying powers from making their presence permanent, virtually every element of Israel's 35 year occupation is illegal. Occupying powers are forbidden to brutalize the civilian population (Article 32, which includes assassinations). They are prohibited from pillage (Article 33 which applies to Israel's extensive use of West Bank and Gazan water resources, especially as they are denied the local Palestinian population). They are prohibited from using collective punishment (also Article 33, which includes the imposition of prolonged closures and curfews, as well as demolitions). Occupying powers are forbidden to impoverish the local population or prevent its finding gainful employment, such as Israel's 10 year "closure" of the Occupied Territories has done (Article 39). Article 49 forbids deportations and any "forcible transfers," which would include such common practices as revoking the Jerusalem IDs of Palestinian residents or banning Palestinians from returning from work, study or travel abroad. The Fourth Geneva Convention also outlaws settlement" "The Occupying Power shall not.transfer parts of its own civilian population into territories it occupies" (Article 49). Article 64 forbids changes in the local legal system that, among other things, alienate the local population from its land and property, as Israel has done through massive expropriations.
26. Ed, maybe you should be arrested in Mexico for Las Vegas
(09.13.05)
Just illustrating your absurdity by being absurd
27. BRITISH JEW HATERS AGAINST JEWS BEING DEFENDED
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.13.05)
The Jew-hating British want Israel to accept over 27,000 terror attacks against Israel's Jews in the last five years want Israel to do NOTHING. The Jew-hating British want Israel to accept the thousands of Jews who have been maimed and murdered and want Israel to do NOTHING. WHY ARE THE BRITISH NOT FILING CHARGES AGAINST: Palestinian Authority Minister Mohammed Dahlan in charge of coordinating the withdrawal with Israel-terror master who is responsible for the bomb attack on the Israeli school bus in November 2000 in which two school teachers were killed and three children from the Cohen family lost their legs. All those responsible for financing, training, arming and sending out Islamic homicide bombers to blow up Jews and destroy the lives of survivors who have nails and other metallic objects from the bombs embedded in their bodies and brains. The Palestinian Authority for teaching through their mosques, media and public education system the murder of Jews is a religious obligation. The Palestinian Authority for hailing as heroes the savage terrorist murderers of defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish Gaza mother, Tali Hatuel, and four little daughters. The PA for the sermon (and many similar) of Oct 13 2000 broadcast from Gaza mosque, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..." Genocide and/or planned genocide breaks international law. British Jew-haters don't want Jews defending themselves. They are despicable and evil..
28. Who is a war criminal?
raykie ,   israel   (09.13.05)
What is the difference between Israel's actions towards Palestinian murderers and the USA's actions towards Bin Laden and the Taliban? Do you intend to report your own government for their actions as well, Edward?
29. yes raykie, i propose the same
edward ,   las vegas   (09.13.05)
bush already knows it is possible for a subsequent administration to try him for war crimes. albert gonzales warned him of this in 2002 (see the Time article) the only country with more war criminals is the US. bush, rumsfeld, cheney, wolfowitz are just the top, there are hundreds more in the chain of command that illegally invaded a soverign country that had never posed any threat to the us. the also murdered tens of thousands of innocent iraqis. and of course the most obvious is the approved torture practiced at abu gharib and elsewhere. so yes, the us is the biggest perpertrator of war crimes, but israel is not far behind. by proportion, it is probably the same
30. Edward
Martin ,   New Jersey   (09.13.05)
You don't even know your facts. The Gaza strip was never occupied. The UN nor Britain ever gave land to the Arabs. Those lands are disputed not occupied. The Arabs have carried that lie for over 50 years. Read your facts. Between 1948 and 1967, Egypt illegally occupied Gaza. As a matter of fact, the PLO charter stated that they have no claim to Gaza nor the West Bank. Their Charter was changed in 1968, after Israel defeated the Arabs in the Six Day War. Why doesn't Israel file a law suit against most of the Arab world and even Europe for the many years of murdering Jews and their forced expulsion from those countries. What about thousands of people that were killed by terrorists. Why not file suit against the Arab countries that started the wars against Israel as well as supported the terrorist groups. Your views are one sided and historically inaccurate. You and your elk should own a PR firm for the Arab murderers.
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