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Stations of the cross    Chaim Shivi
1. eventually 1 of these MKs will have 2 convert
to christianity cause you can't dance at the wedding without eventually having to put out the money to pay the musicians. this is dangerous this pro-christian lobby is just another cover for right wing fundamentalist christians to come and spread their beliefs. and get the whole region to blow up in one horrific war so that they can fulfill the christian prophecy of the Book of Revelations -- these folks are just about ready to get the great war started. according to them 1/2 of the Jews will die in that war and the other 1/2 will convert to christianity. deep in your heart you know I am right. but then we'll just have to wait and see which is the first MK to convert to christianity and then we can all be shocked and appalled together.
(10.16.05)
2. to #1; You're wrong.
I have many born-again Christian friends and family and most of them have never tried to convert me, a lapsed Catholic. Sure there are some who want to convert the whole world to Christianity but for the most part true Christians support Israel because it's the moral thing to do. There is a fight between good and evil in Israel and it's obvious that Israel is on the side of good and the Arabs are on the side of evil. Islam is the enemy of us all!
Daisy ,   USA   (10.17.05)
3. Christians and Jews
I can’t believe these Christians; don’t they know the Jews think Mary was a whore and Jesus a bastard? Why don’t they support the Muslims? At least they revere Jesus as a prophet of G-D. They’re probably too stupid to know that though.
(10.17.05)
4. 1-if its in his heart
to convert to christianity so be it. half of christianity is the jewish version of god- christianit just takes judisam onbe step further byt having Gods walk amnongst us and with us and in us. why are jews so cowradly about christianity?
(10.17.05)
5. 2000 yrs of Christian brutality towards Jews
including the Inquisition in Spain and the Holocaust in 20th Century Europe is what makes Jews shy away from christianity.
(10.17.05)
6. Daisy in the fundamentalist christian world
getting a Jew to abandon his/her faith carries way more points than getting a lapsed Roman Catholic to believe. You see according to fundamentalist christian belief ... the Roman Catholic church is "the great whore of Babylon" (see book of Revelations on this point) and so Roman Catholics don't really count anyway as they have perverted the religion and gone down the wrong road. Jews, however, have are very valuable to fundamentalist christians and their spin on the world. 1. before the return of Jesus can happen all the Jews must return to Zion (which is why there are fundamentalist christian Jews who are very busy working on aliyah - immigration to Israel of Jews) 2. before the return of Jesus can happen the great war of Gog and Magog must occur (see book of Revelations) 3. before and after the return of Jesus it is of the highest priority to assist each and every Jew to realize who Jesus is that is that he is the true Messiah. The moment a Jew recognizes Jesus as Messiah he ceases being Jewish and becomes Christian...which according to the fundamentalist christians is a good thing! A sort of "Onward Christian soldiers" sort of thing. (you see I do speak from a very extensive body of knowledge and so I wonder can the same be said of you?) have a nice day.
(10.17.05)
7. Christianity totally perverted Judaism
Christianity is a mix of greek mythology with roman political structure and a brief taste of judaism to attempt to give it some religious legitimacy. basically christians are pagans who have attempted to accomadate monotheism and have failed.
(10.17.05)
8. How stupid views...
I'm Christian and I support Israel. The majority of Christians do NOT want Jews to be converts. It was maybe one goal in the Middle Age, but those times are over. The majority of people living in "Christian societies" are unbelievers, so they do not care about corverts and conversion at all. What I can see HERE, is only stupid Jewish hatred towards Christians. I'm sorry for that!
Christan ,   Budapest, Hungary   (10.17.05)
9. #7 from Hungary
I'm Jewish and Israeli. In my opinion you're 100% right. I wish nevertheless that those stupid people be converted in order me to get rid of them here.
Serge ,   Beersheva   (10.17.05)
10. Hungarian if u r so correct disprove my position
instead of just insulting and calling it stupid. calling my views stupid is a cheap shot just to be insulting and take the easy way out. go on then speak from a body of fact that disproves my points. tell me that the 20th century Holocaust against the Jews didn't have its basis in the Christian belief system (particularly the Roman Catholic and Lutheran points of vew but not limited to them, because the Eastern Orthodox Church also has what to answer for, as do the fundamentalist protestant churches and denominations both in Europe and the USA) go on then get over the stupid views comment and write something serious that addresses my points. wishing you a good day.
Jewish Jerusalemite ,   Israel   (10.17.05)
12. SHAMEFUL SILENCE ON THE HORRIFIC SUFFERING OF NON-MUSLIMS
TBelow is part of an article from: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44718 FAITH UNDER FIRE Nigeria`s war on Christians Islamic law brings death, suffering to non-Muslims Posted: June 11, 2005 © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com "More than 10,000 Christians have been killed since 1999, the year Islamic "Sharia law" was introduced in Nigeria, according to Voice of the Martyrs, a group that aids the persecuted church around the world. Nearly 1,000 homes and churches have been burned down by Muslim radicals – with a wink and a nod from a government that doesn't recognize the rights of non-Muslims. The war on Christians began in 1999 when Alhaji Ahmed Sani assumed the office of governor in Nigeria's Zamfara state. Just five months later, he introduced Sharia law. Soon 11 other northern Nigerian states, all with Muslim majorities, followed Zamfara's lead and implemented some form of the harsh Islamic legal code. Sharia is based on the Quran and Hadith, the Islamic sacred book and teachings. It imposes a strict code of conduct on the population. For example, if an individual is convicted of stealing, the punishment is amputation of his hand. In the case of adultery, the punishment is death by stoning. "If you go around villages, you will see people missing one hand or one foot," explained Rev. Obiora Ike. "Do you think that’s the result of an illness? That is the result of Sharia Law." Christians in the country say the imposition of Sharia law has resulted in a wave of violence and attacks against them, their homes, churches and villages as the militants wage jihad, or holy war, against them. Sharia law permits violent attacks against non-Muslims and the killing of former Muslims who have converted to Christianity or other faiths. The destruction of churches and the prohibition of new church constructions are considered legitimate actions. Recently, before a large crowd, the Zamfara state government recently held a five-year anniversary to celebrate the implementation of Sharia. Governor Ahmad Sani recalled why Sharia was introduced into the state: to satisfy the desire of the people for governance by the "laws of Allah … to cleanse society of social and moral vices like alcoholism, gambling, theft, armed robbery, prostitution, bribery, corruption and deceit." Muslim zealots are being financed by Saudis who want to Islamicize the entire African continent. The implementation of Sharia has been blamed for the vast violence and deaths occurring not just in Zamfara state, where it was first implemented, but in other states as well." In Sudan's jihad, over two million Christians are dead, including Animists. Hundreds of thousands of Christians have been taken for slaves by Sudan's Muslims.
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (10.17.05)
13. CHRISTIAN LEADERS ACT NOW TO SAVE ISRAEL'S JEWS & CHRISTIANS
The Christian leaders have the responsibility to use their power, influence and finances to bring hundreds of thousands and millions, to street demonstrations in cities around the world to protest: Against giving away Jewish land and holy places to Islam in order to defeat Israel and give Islam conquest over the Jewish Holy Land. Against the evil Jew hate of ethnic Jew cleansing. Against the despicable Jew hate of Jewish community (so called settlement) freezing. Against Muslim desecration and destruction of Jewish and Christian holy places in the Jewish Holy Land. Against the horrific persecution of Christians in Palestinian Authority controlled area. Liberate the Christians from the PA/PLO and all other terrorist organizations now. IDF PLEASE HELP THEM.
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (10.17.05)
14. PERSECUTED "PALESTINIAN" CHRISTIANS BEG WORLD FOR HELP
IDF, PLEASE HELP THEM. PLO terrorists conducted bloody, barbaric jihad against Lebanon's Christians, mass maiming and murdering huge numbers. www.free-lebanon.com Click on photo gallery - 20,000 Christians handicapped by PLO atrocities. The reward for PLO savagery was to implant these PLO terrrorists into Israel as "peace" partners through Oslo to continue their jihad. Christians in PA areas suffer horrendous persecution, under the cruel occupation of PA/PLO and other terrorist organizations. The following are parts of an article: Christianity Dying In Its Birthplace By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | September 13, 2005 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19453 "What some observers are calling a pogrom took place near Ramallah, West Bank, on the night of Sep. 3-4. That’s when fifteen Muslim youths from one village, Dair Jarir, rampaged against Taybeh, a neighboring all-Christian village of 1,500 people. The Ajajs and their friends broke into houses and stole furniture, jewelry, and electrical appliances. They threw Molotov cocktails at some buildings and poured kerosene on others, then torched them. The damage included at least 16 houses, some stores, a farm, and a gas station. The assailants vandalized cars, looted extensively, and destroyed a statue of the Virgin Mary. “It was like a war,” one Taybeh resident told The Jerusalem Post. Hours passed before the Palestinian Authority security and fire services arrived. The fifteen assailants spent only a few hours in police detention, then were released. As for Khouriyye, the Palestinian police arrested him, kept him jail, and (his family says) have repeatedly beat him. A cousin, Suleiman Khouriyye, pointed to his burned house. “They did this because we’re Christians. They did this because we are the weaker ones.” The Khouriyyes and others recall the assailants shouting Allahu Akbar and anti-Christian slogans: “Burn the infidels, burn the Crusaders.” This assault fits a larger pattern. According to the Catholic Custodian of the Holy Land, Pierbattista Pizzaballa, Christians in the Bethlehem region alone have suffered 93 cases of injustice in 2000-04. In the worst of these, in 2002, Muslims murdered the two Amre sisters, 17 and 19 years old, whom they called prostitutes. A post-mortem, however, showed the teenagers to have been virgins – and to have been tortured on their genitals. “Almost every day – I repeat, almost every day – our communities are harassed by the Islamic extremists in these regions,” Pizzaballa says. “And if it’s not the members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, there are clashes with … the Palestinian Authority.” In addition to the Islamists, a “Muslim land mafia” is said to operate. With PA complicity. it threatens Christian land and house owners, often succeeding to compel them to abandon their properties. The campaign of persecution has succeeded...Bethlehem and Nazareth, historic Christian towns for nearly two millennia, are now primarily Muslim. In 1922, Christians outnumbered Muslims in Jerusalem; today, Christians amount to a mere 2 percent of that city’s population." "Islamic mafia accused of persecuting Holy Land Christians" http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/09/wmid09.xml Every single agreement has been broken by the PA/PLO, rendering Oslo, Road Map and ALL agreements NULL AND VOID. The U.S. EU, UN, Israel: the Christians of the world appeal to you. Stop the injustice. Stop the cruelty. Stop the massive criminal human rights violations. Liberate the Christians from ALL terrorist organizations immediately.
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (10.17.05)
15. to#3
They did support you fool but when you got strong you called them infidels and you bomded them in Spain ,England, Russia , Phillipine and USA
Adil Darwish ,   london   (10.17.05)
16. to Jewish Jerusalemite
I don't want to minimize all the horror things of antismeitism and of Christians against Jews. I'm just sorry for YOU are generalizing and through this you make the same mistake that anti-Jewish stupid Christians did and would do in an anti-democratic society. If you say "Christians" are so...and...so, "they are against us"... You are likely to anti-Semites, just the direction of your critisism is opposite! Shana tova:-) and more comprehension of others in the New Year!
Christian ,   Budapest, Hungary   (10.17.05)
17. Conversions to Judaism
Looking around here in Theodor Herzl's city of birth, I can see many Christians -especially young people- who try to become Jewish by making conversion. The majority of them do NOT want to go to live in Israel, but they thing Jewish face and ceremonies are beautiful. Nobody thinks it's a wrong step however:-)
Christian ,   Budapest, Hungary   (10.17.05)
18. hungarian, ok I won't generalize I will be very specific...
1. will you please explain to me the attitude of Communist and Christian Hungarians towards Jews of Hungarian descent? 2. will you please explain to me why even today Hungarian-Jews are afraid to express their Jewishness while in Hungary? 3. will you please explain to me the extra-ordinary security measures required to protect the Jewish community of Hungary? 4. will you please explain to me why the Lauder family had to pay such an extra-ordinarily large amount of money in order to open the JDC-Lauder camp in Szarvas? is that specific enough for you? does that show enough comprehension of others in the New Year? have a nice day.
Jewish Jerusalemite ,   Israel   (10.17.05)
19. re: Hungarian Conversions to Judaism.
yeah right. gimme me a break. today the Jewish community of Hungary lives in fear. let us then not forget that by nature Hungarians are very conservative in their thoughts. you see my Christian friend from Budapest, Hungary...I have quite a bit of knowledge and am clearly not at all stupid as you accuse. but then we know that generally people make accusations based upon their own nature and weaknesses....so perhaps the one with stupid views is you. wishing you a lovely day.
Jewish Jerusalmite ,   Israel   (10.17.05)
20. Linda u r out of league here...go away.
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21. Answer
Salom! Sorry, I wrote a long answer I the system didn't let it in. If you write to my e-mail address, I will give you my detailed answer, supposed that you are not a "Jewish Nazi" who hates Christians, the EU, Hungarians, his Jewishness, and himself as well:-) For other readers: In Hungary there is NO anti-Semitism supported by a large number of people or on state level! But there is a loud and shameful neo-nazi minority without any support from society, and there is a much louder minority of LIBERAL POLITICIANS and journalists interested to maligne their country abroad, just in order to make belive people that Hungarian democratic right-wing is against human values. Also some Zionists are interested in increasing fear amoung Hungarian Jews in order to achieve their goal: people should make ALIYA to ISRAEL!
Christian ,   Budapest, Hungary   (10.17.05)
22. ah my Hungarian friend...
how easy to blame others rather than to take responsibility or to address the very specific issues I raise.
Jewish Jerusalemite ,   Israel   (10.17.05)
23. must be something to christianity
...because everyone seems to feel so threatened by christianity and 'fundamentalist evangelicals'. so what if jews convert. big deal. it is their business if they do and of no concern to anyone else. if judaism is so right, then go for it. if someone feels christianity is the truth, then go for it. #6 "more points" to get someone to abandon their faith - you are SO smart with your "extensive body of knowledge".... whatever. if their 'end times' beliefs are not true, why feel threatened (unless you're admitting there's truth to it)? people seem to feel free to bash christians if they practice their religion. if it makes you feel good, go for it.
mike ,   usa   (10.17.05)
24. Mike the only thing that appeals to these MKs
and to most other Jews who so willingly support Christianity is the MONEY. Yep! Jews have a way about them when it comes to money at least that's how the stereotype goes... but then we aren't talking stereotypes here we are talking about Members of Knesset who are sucking up to Fundamentalist Christians in order to get free trips around the world. in three words IT IS PATHETIC!
(10.18.05)
25. c.hasson@terra.com.br
Why is it that those people think their belief is the "ONLY ONE " ? It doesn' t matter if it is Jesus or Mohamed or another one. It's crazy, absurd !! They have been killing for 2000 years jews. today their tactic is different but as harmful as before. It's sad.
Claude Hasson ,   São Paulo, brazil   (10.22.05)
26. Jews have to trust G-D and only Him!
Switzerland   (10.22.05)
27. Invitation
I am inviting anyone from Knesset to travel to my hometown. Your speech to the people of this community would be most welcome. Your reply would be appreciated.
Markoosie Patsauq ,   Inukjuak, Canada   (10.25.05)
28. 2 POINTS TO EXPRESS.
I HAVE ASKED A FEW XTIANS AND THEY STATE SIMPLY AND CLEARLY,SO IT IS FACTUAL AND NOT AS THE FEW HERE SAY IT ISNT TRUE... 1)THE XTIAN DOCTRINE IS TO PROSELYTIZE AND TO CONVERT JEWS 2) THESE STUPID IDIOTIC EMPTY HEADED PEA BRAINED 14 KNESSET MEMBERS FORGOT THAT IT IS GD THAT THEY NEED TO REACH OUT TO.. AND........ GD ALONE.... CERTAINLY NOT THE XTIANS NEXT THEY WILL INVITE JERRY FALWELL AND PAT ROBERTSON TO SPEAK ON YOM KIPPOR IN THEIR SHUL. MOSHE RABBENU TAUGHT US NOT TO MIX WITH OTHER NATIONS....BE CORDIAL RESPECTFUL BUT NOT TO MIX... I CAN BRING OUT A DOZEN POINTS ON THE DISRESPECT THE VATICAN HAS GIVEN TO THE JEWS FROM LAST MONTH ALONE... MOSHE RABBEINU TAUGHT US TO TO HAVE NO OTHER GDS BEFORE US AND THESE 14 MAKE THE XTIANS LIKE A GD BY THINKING THEY CAN HELP..... IT IS GD ALONE THAT WILL HELP .EVERYTHING ELSE ARE JUST TOOLS THAT GD USES WHEN 'HE' SEES FIT..NOT WHEN 'WE' SEE FIT....
DACON9 ,   BROOKLYN NY   (10.26.05)
29. Love Israel
Any one who claims to know and love God has an instinct love for Israel. It is for me and I strongly believe that it's true for genuine children of God. For those who don't I feel sorry for you. Time may run out so decide now to love Israel and love God.
lillian ,   Philippines   (10.27.05)
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