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'Gaza turned into Islamic terror state'
Published: 02.11.05, 23:55
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1. End of Dream
NY ,   NY   (11.03.05)
This will be the end of this terrorist state.....
2. IN ISRAEL, PATRIOTIC JEWS ARE CONSIDERED THE ENEMY
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (11.03.05)
In Israel, patriotic Jews are persecuted. Barbaric atrocities and mass murder of Jews by Islamists are rewarded with Jewish land and assets. The following are parts of a report: Complaints Filed with the Department for the Investigation of Police Misconduct: Police Violence against Minors INN News, www.inn.co.il October 30, 2005 "This morning Aryeh Yitzhaki, one of the deportees from Gush Katif, and Nadia Matar, the Co-Chairperson of Women in Green, are filing complaints with the Department for the Investigation of Police Misconduct... Yitzhaki included with his complaint photographs and a video film as evidence supporting the claims against the police, further claims that the video film that was given to Channel One and the major news papers was "buried." Channel One territories correspondent Benny Liss went even further. He used a voiceover in a different film as if it was occurring in Kedumim, when in reality such police violence was occurring in Efrat. The false reports that appeared in the media over the weekend, according to which the youth in Efrat "engaged in violence against the security forces," is a stark lie... "On Thursday, 24 Tishrei [October 27], Large forces of army and police arrived and attacked the Maoz Hahar meahaz [outpost]... The outpost was established on state land, and is specifically within the municipal urban plan of Efrat,"... In order to prevent unnecessary confrontations, the youth evacuated the hill...When one hundred and fifty youth and several adults came to the Gush Etzion Industrial Park, the security forces ran towards them and began to arrest the youth with no cause or reason...The youth ran into Efrat, thinking that they would be safe there. To everyone's amazement, police from the Yamar [the elite Central Division] came to the shopping center in Efrat in order to arrest Nadia Matar and a number of the youth without any cause. They jumped on them extremely violently on Rimon Street, arresting Nadia Matar, as well as several additional youth, and put them in vehicles and a police jeep. Dozens of young men and women attempted to block their way. Yitzhaki then claims that the arrest of the minor A. V. was made in a brutal manner: "After his hands were manacled and he was held by five policemen, one plainclothes detective, Chief Inspector [Pakad] Moshe Ben-Harush, grabbed him and very ferociously choked him. The detective stopped and was compelled to identify himself only after the intervention of a number of adults." The struggle lasted about two hours. Superintendent [Rav-Pakad] Moshe Moshe also engaged in extreme violence, and among other things, attacked the minor Y. M. without cause, choking him and hitting him in the face. Superintendent [Rav-Pakad] Yosef Cohen punched Y. A., another minor, in the head. Yitzhaki states that when Nadia was released, she told him about her arrest: Three detectives: Itamar Cohen, Yossi Cohen, and Ushik Ben-David, brutally "kidnapped her" and subjected her to extreme physical and verbal abuse and brutality. They beat her on her head and neck, resulting in a severe sprain of the juncture of her spinal column with her neck. They threatened her that "they would screw her with such a severe trial that she would be in trouble for her entire life, and would regret ever having been born". They promised that there would be all kinds of false charges made against her. Nadia required medical treatment and X-rays following the incident..." All people against rewarding barbarism and the maiming and murder of thousands of Jews with an Islamic terror state, take our stand with the innocents of this world. We take our stand with Nadia Matar. We take our stand with the Jews and Israel.
3. Israel - Jewish terror state
Salameh ,   Gaza, Palestine   (11.03.05)
The Israeli State has turned into an "Jewish, fundamentalist terror state supported by the west"
4. Oh, Bibi...
Michael Steiner ,   Praha, EU   (11.03.05)
...just shut up and go away already. When will it dawn on you that you're not wanted? Aza may be a "terror state" (it isn't but never mind) but the undisputable fact is that terror against Israel emanating from Aza is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than it had been during the occupation. In other words, despite the occasional Qasam, haHITNATQUT HAS REDUCED TERRORISM (and let us not forget that you voted in its favor on many occasions only to opportunistically swicth camps at the eleventh hour). As for #3, don't talk nonsense. And #2... - oh, why bother with you or your tripe.
5. #4 - Patience with Aza
Bar Kochva ,   Golan   (11.03.05)
Quite a few military & security experts have repeatedly predicted an increase in terrorism (G-d forbid), following the Aza Disengagement. Presently, IDF is working 24/7 in preventing attacks. The threats and security alerts are innumerable. So, don't let the current relative "serenity" lull you into 'oh-what-a-marvelous-move-leaving-Gaza-has-been' fantasy. The rodents-in-rags of Gaza and elsewhere are planning all the while. Israel's border with Sinai is now highly vulnerable. The tunnel activity in Gaza (now directed towards Israel proper) continues unabated. And last, the Iranian factor, which funnels funds and know-how to the rodents, looms menacingly.
6. #3
Yakir ,   Switzerland   (11.03.05)
you are just blinded by your hatred, you don't have a right to hate israel, its just jealousy. it's all in human nature, to hate the one who's better. if you're smart enough, you'll join the better, and so be "better". if you're stupid (like the palestinians) you go for rage, agression and murder and learn >nothing
7. Nice Spirit people! WAKE UP
Ramzi Sfeir ,   bethlehem, Palestine   (11.03.05)
Ok...my comment is not about the contents of the Article because bibi is clearly wrong, most of us ( human beings) hate him, My comment is more based on the way some of you Discuss things! Here are some key tools in order to be able to Start a Dialog : Respect, Understanding and Restraint! As long as nobody will use this, we are nothing but animals living in a jungle and trying to make our Hunting space bigger by killing each other! instead of calling palestinians "Terrorists and Idiots", and instead of calling Israelis Terrorist and idiots, i prefer to think about a solution, i am wasting the same Energy thinking about any of the two subjects! Why not make it positive and try for a second to put my Feelings aside and think about My future! Thats what i am personally doing! Thats what most of you are failing to do! As long as we will keep insulting each other and fighting, as long as we will count on the stagnating political arena and as long as we refuse social encounters, we will suffer and pay the price of our ignorance! maybe its easier to Hate the enemy...But why not making an extra effort to eradicate this hate ? Its nonsense saying " Hamas is to blame, Jihad is to blame etc..." and the same thing when we say" Sharon is to blame etc..." They all are part of a Stagnating system, lacking logic and honesty ! in fact,Lacking Democracy. Democracy is based on liberalism, if people are not free and if people are not able to live in liberty then there is no democracy! People! Put your feelings aside for a second and come back to reality! We need social contracts! We need each other! On both sides of the Green Line! all those who didnt accept this failed and sadly, we are all still failing for the moment! Before creating a Physical wall between us, the Political arena created a virtual one,Their goal is to Separate us from each other! We lived together and i recall very well these times where Mosheh and khaya used to come to my house in beit-jala, I recall very well the times where we used to get invited at the Mitrani's family in Jerusalem! I recall very well the times where israelis used to shop in the territories and when they didnt stop saying the word " Khabibi" with their accent! same thing on our side, everyone started saying " Motek" , we had VERY STRONG social relations! we depended on each other! I remember very well the night i was watching a Movie on Israeli Channel one and ...the news of rabin's assassination came along! I was too young to understand what this meant but sadly i grew up quite fast after it happened because , it was a turning point in everyone's life! We all had hope, a hope of peace and reconciliation and suddenly , our hope died along with Rabin. The second shocking image of Igal amir's smilling face , the message " I WON" was very clear on his expression! But i take this occasion to say to igal " YOU LOST" The fact that i am saying what i am saying right now shows that you lost and that no matter what your likes will do, Reconciliation always wins because we cant kill each other forever! No matter what bibi thinks ( i didnt use a Cap. letter because he doesnt deserve it) , no matter what extrems want, Always remember that peace is between societies not between politicians! Lets throw down our arms just for a few hours and try to coexist because its our only chance! I want my children to live in peace and safety! The solution is easy, lets just look for it! Together! Between civilians, we can do EVERYTHING! We dont need uniforms in order to make peace!
8. to Ramzi Sfeir
Matthias ,   Switzerland   (11.03.05)
"Bethlehem, Palestine" Well, according to both Old and New Testament Bethlehem is situated in Judea, not 'Palestine'.
9. #3
steven ,   france   (11.03.05)
Here she is again our local anti-semite salameh of gaza "palestine".bonjour ,I wonder what you would call your future "state"???"The Palestinian state" has turned into an "Islamic fundamentalist terror state"supported by the Terrorist states,Iran Syria Saudi Arabia,Egypt,I can go on and on until every arab country is named,But as we all know already,Gaza has always been a terror city,supported by the afore mentioned states.So what's new huh???Its people like you salameh,that say they're palestinian,???? that give the true Pals, a bad Image,Oh and one more thing,I DONT HEAR YOU SAY ANY THING ABOUT ALL THOSE WESTERN £$$$$$$$$$YOU GET,MONEY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR IMPROVING YOUR LIVES,BUT,UNFORTUNATELY,THE PALESTINIAN LEADERS FEEL THAT IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO USE THIS MONEY TO KILL THE VERY SAME DONATORS ?THAN TO USE IT ON EDUCATION.AND CONSTRUCTION ,OF YOUR ALREADY NON EXISTING ECONOMY,YOUR CORRUPT LEADERS ALSO PREFER TO SWINDLE THIS MONEY INTO pRIVATE FOREIGN ACCOUNTS".IN WESTERN COUNTRIES."So you see Salameh from Gaza,we in "the Western world "are not blind to what is really happening ,and we do not swallow ,everything that is said ,we have the choice to choose,and voice our opinions,Why don't the Palestinians start making that choice now,before it's too late.
10. Ramzi
tony ,   paris   (11.03.05)
I read your talkback with great interest,But the only question I have for you is ,Why don't the Palestinian people stand up and speak out ,once and for all agaist this violence that you talk about,In Israel there are peace movements,voices that count by Thousands,that call for peace between our two people,Why don't we see this on the Palestinian side??Why don't the Palestinian people Just say NO to Hama's violent ways, to Al -aqsa ,to Jihad Islamia etc etc.Do you really believe that Israel Can sit at the same table as these Known terror factions,these same "people" that have boasted loud and clear ,about the murder of hundreds of Israeli citizens,?The Ordenary Working day palestinians ,do not ,have the choice,so they keep quiet ,and let these terror factions do the work,BUT if they start voicing their opinios,then maybe ,just maybe We could all sit down and do EVERYTHING and maybe then,we would'nt need uniforms in order to make peace.So let us start by seeing the thousands of demonstrators ,invade the street s of Gaza,for one sole purpose,PEACE,The same crowds we see in the streets when they chant hatred and revenge against the Israelis.And when the world see's this,we will know ,and the Palestinians will know ,that the time for peace has come.SHALOM ET SALAM .
11. #8
Michael Steiner ,   Praha, EU   (11.03.05)
Matthias, it may have escaped your attention, but it's the year 5766, not 3766 or 1766. Or in goyishe terms, it's 2005 CE (note the keyword: CE). You with me, buddy?
12. Salami
Sheik yur Bouti ,   Eurabia   (11.03.05)
This individual from Gaza must be suffering from delusions - she needs to seek professional help as soon as possible. once again, she will have to depend of Israel since there are no professionals in Gaza, only proffesional killers.
13. Response to Mathias...
Ramzi Sfeir ,   Bethlehem, PALESTINE   (11.03.05)
Dear Mathias from switzerland.... This is The spirit I WAS TALKING ABOUT! Thats the best way to make peace! Keep acting this way ! Way to go my friend! By the way...did i tell you that The bible is not a History book ? Though i am Christian..Catholic... I really don't base politics on religion! what was true 3000 years ago is not true today! I'm really sorry to be the one to tell you this! But wake up! ALLLLLL THE WORLD CHANGED in 3000 Years! Everything changed! I never lived 3000 years ago...And i never Occupied anybody's land back then since i was not born! BUT ...What is clear is that Now i am born and i dont quite understand why i cant live with dignity! i dont understand why me, Ramzi Sfeir, has to pay for what was once done by a Certain crazy guy called Adolph or what was once done by i dont know who ( and this was only 60 years ago...) if i cant be blamed for what happened 60 years ago then i cant be blaimed for what happened 3000 Years ago!!! All i want is to live IN PEACE! So wake up, come to reality! And shall i suggest a little visit to the holy land ? I think it will make you understand more... and by the way, if you are not even israeli and if you are just talking for the sake of it...you can save your breath for another conflict! We dont need you! We have enough extremists! Thank you for your understanding
14. Mon cher Tony from france...
Ramzi Sfeir ,   Bethlehem, Palestine   (11.03.05)
well well tony, i see that you watch TF1 a lot in France.... or maybe you watch TFJ ...I realized that these two channels never show peace loving palestinians! Even better? When they show such things, people who dont want to see it DONT SEE IT! always keep in mind that for a TV, showing a group of Crazy people yelling and calling for the death of somebody is much more interesting than seeing Peace loving people who live normal lives ( or at least try to) and who really dont know what a gun looks like! Its really not interesting and it reduces badly the " Audimat" as you know ....i suggest that you come visit too! 99% of the people who visit palestinians change their Views! For a CLEAR REASON! by the way.... do you think that anyone agrees with hamas? What can you do when you are not armed, when you just WANT TO LIVE YOUR LIFE and when from one side you are threatned by hamas and from the other side threatned by the israeli army??? What can u do other than Continuing to live normally and enjoy life as long as it lasts!believe me its not fun to be a Palestinian lately! its not fun to wake up and instead of seeing the sun, seeing an ugly wall or getting stopped by an israeli soldier from russia or romania who doesnt even speak hebrew....You know that Everyone has dignity ? Everyone has Self Respect and sometimes, when your dignity and self respect are taken away just because you are Born somewhere, you ask yourself questions! And you start blaming everyone! I'm not only blaming israel by the way!I'm blaming EVERYONE! yet i refuse to be a Victim...and i Fight for peace! I fight without arms! I FIGHT WITH WORDS! And what do i get in response? " Bethlehem is not in palestine" ....Its so interesting to see how people are VERY selective in what they read! there is a FULL PAGE of positive thinking and Mr Mathias stopped at the Title ! Really interesting! Then we wonder why its hard to talk about Peace!
15. Whose fault is this? The etrog stinks.
(11.03.05)
16. to Michael Steiner
Hilda ,   US   (11.03.05)
Rather than debase those who love Israel, why don';t you dry up and go away. We have enough self hating Jews in our midst. Your constant rhetoric is propaganda for the Arabs and enpower them.
17. to Remzi Sfeir
Hilda ,   US   (11.03.05)
Ma salaami . If you ar indeed a Christian Arab are you willing to admit that things were better for you when Israel was in charge on Bethlehem? If not why are Christians fleeing since it came under the PA. The truth of the matter is the Muslims say first the Saturday observers and next the Sunday. You may be safe for the time being but when they run out of Israelis to kill they will start on you. It blows my mind how Christians in the Holyland side with the Muslims . You saw what they did to the Christians in Lebanon.
18. To Hilda USA...
Ramzi Sfeir ,   Bethlehem, Palestine   (11.03.05)
Hilda....i dont side with muslims i side with Palestinians! I AM PALESTINIAN Regardless of my religion! i accept everyone else! Muslims dont hate me and i dont hate them , if your media tells you this then let them check their sources! as far as you are concerned , I AM PALESTINIAN! about lebanon....Dont tell me about what you think has Happened back then because i really dont care! And by the way...For your information, if you want to Stand by God's word( that i dont use often) remember that god said " Love your enemy" ....
19. The Palestinian
Dijkstra ,   bolsward nl   (11.03.05)
The characteristic of a Palestinian is ; turn try of truths and therefore to put someone else therefore in a wrong daylight.
20. Ramzi
tony ,   paris   (11.04.05)
Cher Ramzi;have'nt you seen recently;in certain eastern european countries,that peace and elections can be won by public opinion?? Has 'nt that recectly changed the lives of Millions of Ukrainians,remember the ORANGE manefestations,They went into the streets unarmed,to face their military,and guess who won,,,??They cried alot ,and they WON. So why should it different for you?Don't go blaming the IDF ,they are no longer in Gaza,When you Palestinians,protest in the streets of Gaza,IT IS NOT FOR ANY KIND OF PEACE,IT IS ALWAYS,TO SHOUT YOUR HATRED FOR THE ISRAELIS AND THE WEST;So please do not lecture me about Audimat and visiting Israel,I'll let you into a scoop. I was brought up in Israel,and am now living in France because of my work,but that is not any reason for not knowing what is happening there.You say "What can you do when you are not armed?????DO WHAT ALL PEOPLE WHO WANT PEACE DO "HIT THE STREETS WITH CHANTS OF PEACE,BILLBOARDS THAT SHOW "PEACE NOW" NO MORE WAR"Ramzi,there are a million things one can do ,if one really wanted peace. Have you ever been to france??To say that TV1 is Biased??and shows only anti-arab reports,,??really your opening statement,is really not becomming of you,and also TFJ does not ,and is in no way anti arab,Believe me ,if the Palestinian people went into the streets and manifested for peace,France TV will be the first to show the world this MAJOR HAPPENING.Lets not exagerate about not seeing the sun.You Know very well,why the wall is there,Do you not also see the groups of Israelis thar are agaisnst it,but unfortunately ,as long as your people will continue to blow themselves up along with innocent Israeli civiliens,that wall is unfortunately one of the ways to stop these killings. Do you hounestly think that you are the only ones to be suffering from all that is happening?The Israelis too are suffering,the jews all around the world are suffering,and I add to this suffering certain arabs around the world,Did we not see last year the Multiude of Protests against Israel and for the Palestinian people,So why do we not see now ,The same rallies For peace,rallies that condem these terrorist acts,rallies where we see both the Israeli and the Palestinian flags together??? Also Why is Iran calling for Israels total destruction??Where are the arab supporters now?and all these people who visit the Palestinins where are they now,??I sincerely hope that one day The Palestinian people will rise up against these overpowering groups, and claim their right to live in peace.and when that day comes ,you will see how easy it will be tothen talk PEACE.SHALOM ET SALAM.
21. ramzi
tony ,   paris   (11.04.05)
I have just read your talkback yo hilda,and I am quite amazed to see you say "love your enemy"If G-D said this wonderful statement,does it also apply to Muslims?Or are our G-D's that different,Because as far as we,"christians and Jews are concerned,there is only one G-D.So I ask you in all true sincerity.does this apply to Muslims??My saying is "I may not like you in the morning when i awake,and I may not like you at night when I go to bed,But even enemies can show respect."Let us respect one another first,and the rest will follow .
22. #19
pierre ,   belgique   (11.04.05)
Please be so kind to explain what you said.It is very confusion.Merci.
23. Dear tony...
Ramzi Sfeir ,   Bethlehem,Palestine   (11.04.05)
tony i am Currently studying in France...i live here! I know VERY WELL the french media since its my subject of research! ....Thats why i know that much about it...and yes , TF1 tends to make things bigger than what they are...
24. to tony again...
Ramzi sfeir ,   Bethlehem,Palestine   (11.04.05)
Tony, before i forget.... I just wanted to thank you for your Ability to Lead a normal dialog without Insulting! Loads of people must learn this....Good Spirit! maybe we dont agree...but I surely can understand your position! I dont have to agree with you in order to understand what you say! You can contact me by email if you want...
25. #17 WICKED POLITICAL AGENDA IGNORES PERSECUTED PA CHRISTIANS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (11.29.05)
The extremely wicked U.S. EU UN political agenda includes forcing Christians to live under horrific Islamic Sharia law. TAKE BETHLEHEM & OTHER CHRISTIAN TOWNS INSIDE GREEN LINE NOW! PLO terrorists conducted barbaric jihad against Lebanon's Christians murdering huge numbers. www.free-lebanon.com Click on photo gallery - 20,000 Christians handicapped by PLO atrocities. PLO savagery was rewarded. The PLO terrrorists were implanted into Israel as "peace" partners through Oslo to continue their jihad. Christians in PA areas suffer horrendous persecution under cruel occupation of PA/PLO and other terrorist organizations. Christianity Dying In Its Birthplace By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | September 13, 2005 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19453 "What some observers are calling a pogrom took place near Ramallah, West Bank, on the night of Sep. 3-4. That’s when fifteen Muslim youths from one village, Dair Jarir, rampaged against Taybeh, a neighboring all-Christian village of 1,500 people. The Ajajs and their friends broke into houses and stole furniture, jewelry, and electrical appliances. They threw Molotov cocktails at some buildings and poured kerosene on others, then torched them. The damage included at least 16 houses, some stores, a farm, and a gas station. The assailants vandalized cars, looted extensively, and destroyed a statue of the Virgin Mary. “It was like a war,” one Taybeh resident told The Jerusalem Post. Hours passed before the Palestinian Authority security and fire services arrived. The fifteen assailants spent only a few hours in police detention, then were released. As for Khouriyye, the Palestinian police arrested him, kept him jail, and (his family says) have repeatedly beat him. A cousin, Suleiman Khouriyye, pointed to his burned house. “They did this because we’re Christians. They did this because we are the weaker ones.” The Khouriyyes and others recall the assailants shouting Allahu Akbar and anti-Christian slogans: “Burn the infidels, burn the Crusaders.” This assault fits a larger pattern. According to the Catholic Custodian of the Holy Land, Pierbattista Pizzaballa, Christians in the Bethlehem region alone have suffered 93 cases of injustice in 2000-04. In the worst of these, in 2002, Muslims murdered the two Amre sisters, 17 and 19 years old, whom they called prostitutes. A post-mortem, however, showed the teenagers to have been virgins – and to have been tortured on their genitals. “Almost every day – I repeat, almost every day – our communities are harassed by the Islamic extremists in these regions,” Pizzaballa says. “And if it’s not the members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, there are clashes with … the Palestinian Authority.” In addition to the Islamists, a “Muslim land mafia” is said to operate. With PA complicity. it threatens Christian land and house owners, often succeeding to compel them to abandon their properties. The campaign of persecution has succeeded...Bethlehem and Nazareth, historic Christian towns for nearly two millennia, are now primarily Muslim. In 1922, Christians outnumbered Muslims in Jerusalem; today, Christians amount to a mere 2 percent of that city’s population." "Islamic mafia accused of persecuting Holy Land Christians" http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/09/wmid09.xml Every single agreement has been broken by the PA/PLO, rendering Oslo, Road Map and ALL agreements NULL AND VOID. IDF, HELP! Stop Islamic cruelty. Liberate Christians from ALL terrorist organizations now!
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