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Halutz: No hope for diplomacy with Iran
Ronny Sofer
Published: 04.12.05, 15:02
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1. BOMB IRAN WITH OUR F16-I !!!
Yair   (12.04.05)
they were ordered for this purpose ! Iran is a monster and we must destroy its nuclear ambitions
2. Absolutely!
Michael Steiner ,   Praha, EU   (12.04.05)
Forget diplomacy. The regime in Iran is little different from the former Taliban gang that was running Afghanistan, and which was perfectly happy to be isolated by the rest of the world and be free to pursue their ideology. The difference here is only that Iran enjoys the support of the idiotic Russians and Chinese. Diplomacy has not worked and CAN not work with this type of bandits. I hope and believe that Medinat Yisrael is gathering good intelligence on the matter and if and when it becomes clear that the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran is imminent, there is a plan to foil it. I say again, one word: Osirak.
3. In the EU's hands
Logic ,   Israel   (12.04.05)
If the EU was serious, they would slap oil sanctions on Iran. Then we would see how long the regime there would last...
4. Israel, The West's sacrifice to Islam
Marcel ,   Florida   (12.04.05)
The broken and empty suit's of the West will talk and go the route of useless sanctions which failed in Iraq and restock their shelters deep underground .This inivetable collision with Iran cannot be halted by political leaders who have brought us to this point by their incompetence and attempts to accomodate the devil at Israel's expense.
5. The World and Idiocy!
(12.04.05)
People on this site think that Europeans, Chinese, and Russians are all idiots. Of course, they add to these Muslims and Arabs. In total, almost 90% of the world population falls into the realms of idiocy!! but of course the israeli and american elites do not. Here you go, all of us behind you guys! the selected lot of God ...... all what i can say, you are funnyyyyy!!
6. Big Talking because of 1 successful Arrow test
accessol ,   Spelthorne, England   (12.04.05)
The Arrow will never be a 100 pct effective shield; it only needs one rocket to hit Dimona or Tel Aviv for the Zionist dream to end in a nightmare. A much safer solution for Iran's growing military power would be for Israel to get out of occupied Palestine and make peace with the rest of humanity.
7. #2 Michael Steiner
Russell ,   Miami   (12.04.05)
It is clear how present the threat is and how unifiying the danger is. Michael, you are usually so left-leaning and such a dove that I expected your talkback to be sarcastic and warn about the practical impossibility of an Osirak-like action since the nuclear plants are built in underground bunkers under population centers but you weren't sarcastic and advocated a strike. I am much more right leaning than you and wish there could be a military strike but everything I know on the subject points to the theory that this is impossible because Israel would need to kill many many Iranian civilians in order to do so and would start a war that would be another united Arab (and Persian) war against Israel. I think if there were a way to do it, Israel would have done it long ago. Iran is probably 6 months away from nuclear capability. The only way to stop it is International action (not diplomacy). Otherwise, Israel will need to rely on the Sting "If the Russians Love Their Children Too" mutually assured destruction concept for deterrence with Israel's second strike capacity from submarines. Still, madmen who will commit suicide bombings with a nuclear weapon make it scary to rely on MAD for deterrence.
8. Re: #1
Ron ,   UK   (12.04.05)
and wait for Iran response baby, they will welcome U over there...What do U call your invitation to destroy Iran NW. I am sure U call it self defence, and I call it SUPER terrorism.....
9. avoid war with iran
rony   (12.04.05)
the best thing is to avoid with Iranians, we dont need more wars in this region,we dont know where its end will be.
10. accessol,most merciful ,most compassionate
Marcel ,   Florida   (12.04.05)
The Zionist dream end in a nightmare ? What would moslems do without their Mecca ?. Would they then realize that their allah was not up to the job of being their most merciful ,most compassionate god ? After the glass parking lot is in place in what was once known as Mecca ,then maybe Israel wil have true ,real and lasting peace with their jihadless neighbors ? What do you think ?
11. Re#6
Ron ,   UK   (12.04.05)
U really catch the heart of the truth. It said, it is easy to start the war but U can not control when deos it end.Israel had destroyed the nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1982 but I hope if Israel does the same for Iran, Iran will teach Israel (a life lesson...).
12. to anti-zionist #6
Nicolas ,   France   (12.04.05)
Please stop trying to spread your hatred and ignorance about Israel. Terrorism againt the Jews started a long time before the occupation. In the heart of dozens of Arabs there is a mere refusal of the very existence of a jewish, democratic state in this region. Israel made a first step with its withdrawal from Gaza : terrorism does continue with a vengeance. Israel can not go any further as long as there is no real partner to fight against terrorism. By linking the iranian threat to the occupied territories, you support terrorism and justify this new form of nazim. Standing by the side of the current Arab-Muslim world against Israel, is a choice of obsurantism and hatred. Anti-zionism is antisemitism, and you are giving a proof to that. Long live Israel, and might the truth some day force to silence the islamo-fascism and its european, leftist supporters who would convert themselves to Islam out of hatred against Israel if only they believed in God.
13. #7:
Michael Steiner ,   Praha, EU   (12.04.05)
Russell, I'm not left-wing or right-wing or any wing. I am always in favor of pacific solutions over hot-headed hatred and confrontation. But I also recognize danger and impossibility of conciliation when I see it. Doing an Osirak doesn't necessarily entail aerial bombardment. There are other feasible ways, which would avoid excessive civilian casualties. But that is for the military to devise and execute. I have full confidence in them.
14. Nuclear war by Feburary ,March ?
Marcel ,   Florida   (12.04.05)
http://averyheavystone.blogspot.com/2005/12/nuclear-war-by-febuarymarch-2006_04.html
15. M. Steiner I don't always agree with you but enjoy reading
(12.04.05)
your comments...always original and well thought out. thanks for sharing!
16. Lord Accessol speaks again
(12.04.05)
I suppose you British are so keen to make peace with the rest of humanity? Is that why you are spending billions of dollars buying Trident from the Americans? Oh but wait I forgot, there are people out there who dont like you too. People who are willing to risk everything trying to kill you. Funny thing that. Who would have thought that people dont like the British and want to kill them. After all, you invade their countries based on utter lies and nonsense from your precious MI6, who may as well have sucked that information out their thumbs after they shoved it up their asses. You have a right to defend yourself. So do we. Stay in Spelthorne. The rest of ''humanity'' isnt interested in your moronic ramblings.
17. attck Iran,....Please!
jim ,   Canada   (12.05.05)
think practical. attacking iran will cost Israel alot. it`s not like you can bomb them and then they wont retaliate. any attck on iran will have a response and israel has more to lose than iran. iran can harm israel in everal ways. direct military retaliation, terrorism by Pals. and by minipulating other anti-jew muslems and supporting other arab nations to target israel and the list goes on. the country has more soldures that the entire israeli population for god sakes. not a very smart move on israeli part. there are other more practical options like push for regime change in iran than just to bomb bomb!
18. Jim (#17) what if Iran hated you?
Seth Greenberg ,   Israel   (12.05.05)
Here in Israel, we appreciate your concern for our wellbeing. But sitting tight and hoping that the Iranian people succeed in overthrowing their military dictatorship in time to stop actions that could lead to another holocaust... Well, that might seem logical for someone sitting in Canada. But from here, at ground zero, we'd be foolish to sit and hope. Imagine, if you will, your next door neighbor, or the guy accross the street going on for 25 years telling all the other neighbors he hated you and he was going to kill you. Then one day you saw him taking target practice with an AK-47 in his back yard and your face was on the target. You can the police and they say they'll talk to him but never come. What or your options? You could pick up and leave the neighborhood. Or?
19. You are absolutely-wrong Accessol #6
Scott ,   Haifa   (12.05.05)
What is your suggestion for Israel to get out of "occupied" "Palestine"? Swim? Or maybe make a raft out of our cars? Are there any Christians in England or the EU that read their bibles and believe what it says? (Good job Nicolas from France #12, I didn't think there was anyone like you in France...God bless you and help you!)? If anyone from these nations do, they will see that God will (in His time) will make a full end of all nations that He has scattered us to (Jer.30:10,11), and there will be sheep nations and goat nations when the Lord returns (Mat. 25). Joel 3, says the Lord will gather all nations and plead with them for "parting" His Land. Zech.12:9,10 says the Lord will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem...Joel 2:20-32 says that God will destroy the invaders ("Joel's army" that invades His land and people - wanna be wiped out...join Joel's army!)...(Ezek. 38&39, the carcasses of the invaders will lie all over the mountains of Israel). Any other choice is a losing side. That's the way it's written. God will protect His people, and has not forsaken Israel.
20. reply to Seth #18
jim ,   canada   (12.05.05)
it must be very difficalt. you`re right. but concider this. Iran is bullying israel by making threats. it`s like a psychological game, try to scare the Israelies until they get scared and make an emotional mistake and throw the first punch. then Iran will feel free to retaliate and get what it wanted all along. but in fact they would never attack israel in the first place because they know there will be consequences for them, internationaly. its a scare tactic !
21. Iran
James Staten ,   Memphis,Tenn. USA   (12.05.05)
"Has anyone read Ezekiel 38-39 lately. Russia and Iran lead an end-time invasion of Israel. In this scripture Iran is listed as Persia,they changed their name to Iran in approx 1935. Oh! By the way can you guess who wins? The people of the Book.
22. Israeli's A in the hole
Don ,   Nebr. U.S.A.   (12.05.05)
Do not worry so much that the Islam world has so many more people in there Army's you just need to go back to the Bible. God's Holy Word remember what happened with Gideon's army in Judges Chapter's 6-7-8 read how God delivered Them against all odd's also in Hebrew's11-32 Jesus Christ can today and will in the near future will deliver them when they cry out to him for help he will be there. But it will take some real tough time's to come upon them for them to Cry out to Jesus Christ for Deliverince. (He is Alway's Faithful) May God Bless
23. Bomb Iran Now
Rance ,   USA   (12.05.05)
Do you think Iran will use a nuclear bomb on Israel when they have it ready? If your answer is "yes",why wait to take the factory out?? It may upset the Muslims and UN,EU,etc...but they are already upset .If you wait too long,the fall-out from THEIR radioactive material will be a problem.I understand they have several sites,but take out what you can at this time.
24. BOMB IRAN WITH SUFA;
john Gyma ,   Nairobi, Kenya.   (12.11.05)
Eretz Yishrael needs not to worry so much by the babylonian'"s threat. Because i believe Iran can not withstand the IDF-Mighty power. The citicens of Israel should continue with their daily work and those who are making Aliya should continue doing so because Israel is your Homeland and let no one threaten you by suggesting that you can shift to Europe.
25. September?
Kevin Trimbath ,   Afghanistan   (12.26.05)
Since America will not destroy their capability, and they are bent on destroying Israel and America, then by all means Israel, attack now. Just beware of their pact with Russia and other muslim nations. Wherever islam is; problems are sure to follow.
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