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Palestinian film hit in U.S., dud in Israel    Merav Yudilovitch
1. MoreProgressive, you mean more stupid
Haven't you noticed that the only movies, books etc that are nominated by foreign organizations are the ones that sell self hatred about Jews, Israel and can be used by Jew bashers and anti-semites. Be proub that you join the ranks of foolish jews who sell them selves off to achieve recognition from tose that hate us the most. Left wing bullshit, Did you know that Hitler was nominated for a nobel prize before the outbreak of WW2 by a Jewish professor from Berlin University.
mike ,   tel aviv   (12.14.05)
2. Progressive?
The movie is about how cool it is to blow us up. And because we don’t feel so cool about it we are not progressive? Give me a break.
Boaz ,   Ramat Gan, Israel   (12.14.05)
3. I haven't seen it...
And I doubt either of the previous two posters have either. As much as the subject bothers me and other people here, it's not worth bashing it if you don't know what it's about. I'll save my judgement for when I see it...
Adam ,   Washington, DC   (12.14.05)
4. I agree 100% with N°1
the only israeli movies or documentaries that we can watch on french TV ( Arte for example) are made by self hating jews that know perfectly that it sells well to spit on Israel, and many times they get subsidies. We only know the Amira Hass from Haaretz and Co . We have never seen something interesting about Israel, his hitech, agriculture,medecine and the nice sightseeings .
Lionel B. ,   France   (12.14.05)
5. Harel's lost in space
I think Israeli's have seen more than enough terror - one attack is more than enough - so why would we rush to see the blood on the screen when we wash it off our streets on a regular basis. Harel, to say you are insensitive would be stating the obvious.
Russel ,   TLV   (12.14.05)
6. Progressive? I don't think so
Sadly, I think the film is doing better in the US because the US is further removed from the situation that Israel is. The US also harbors other gropups that while they may not directly support the bombers, they support the destruction of Israel.
emanon ,   USA   (12.14.05)
7. Progressive?
So, American Jews like this movie because they're so "progressive?" It's easy to be heroic sitting in a movie theater. These same people would be crapping in their pants if they had to live in Israel.
NYC Girl   (12.14.05)
8. too bad they downplay the role of islam in it
otherwise we'd have a more accurate movie. i guess showing the rage and hate of the palestinians doesn't make for good cinema. and it makes them look worse than the jews.
mike ,   usa   (12.14.05)
9. The obvious
Of course, it is an interesting subject and one that the world was hungry for- the perspective of those committing suicide bombing- THE WHY and what are they so in despair and pain to do such a horrid act? What is the state of mind and last thoughts? and how can they justify it. ( and no I dont think suicide bombing of innocentsis ever justified- the qusetion, then is Who is innocent or not innocent , to them ?- which is another issue-) But that said- the Israelis I have noticed, on this board, anyway, for the most part do not want to dig into the part they play in helping to inspire this conflict or how ,for every action there is a a reaction- a war doesnt exist on its own- with one side- it needs an enemy- and if no one was an enemy- or racist - or seperating- there would be no war.
(12.15.05)
10. Understanding suicide bombers
1. Understand that its a crime against humanity. 2. Understand that the more "work accidents" they have, the better. 3. Understand that the more the IDF intercepts them in transit, the better. 4. Understand that suicide bombing is a tactic that will eventually boomerang against the society that supports them (i.e. Zarqawi Amman bombings.)
Logic ,   Israel   (12.15.05)
11. The human face of pedophiles and rapists?
If any of these film critics had a child sexually abused and then cut to pieces or a wife raped and mutilated, I wonder if they'd be so willing to embrace a movie about pedophiles or rapists? Of course not. Open-mindedness is a very selective pursuit for the liberal gentile. Understanding the mindset of the mass-murderers of Jews is just fine and dandy to their way of thinking. Understanding other kinds of evil monsters is a definite no-no. Some years ago, in England, a young child by the name of Jamie Bulger was led away by two older children and subsequently murdered. The whole of Britain was outraged. Anyone who announced in the morning that he was making a film that would empathise with Bulger's killers would be lynched before the day was out. Sixty years after the liberation of Auschwitz Jewish blood is just as cheap in the sordid world of the gentile.
Kate ,   London   (12.15.05)
12. Dear Obvious #9
I normally don't like being verbally abusive: so I won't break my tgrack record with you. Just let me ask if you have any idea at all of what you have stated? Have you bothered to educate yourself as to the the originating, and ongoing objective of the Arabs that occupy so called West Bank (more correctly called Judea/Samaria) vis-a-vis Israel and the Jewish people? If, and when, you do, I think that you'll find that in fact you can and quite often do have wars started by just one side. Might I refer you to some historical studies on Hitler and his one sided venture into the catastrophy that we refer to as WW II? Might I also refer you to the PLO and Hamas charters which detail their objective vis-a-vis Istrael? I think that upon careful study, that you'll find that Israel doesn't have to do ANYTHING aggressive other than just be. So in the spirit of condescension, without being abusive, WAKE UP!!
Gavriel ,   United States   (12.16.05)
13. movies and depravity
We have sunk to the depths. We have Munich that makes a moral judgement making the murderers and the victims as equal and this piece of trash that justifies murder. Can we go any lower? We are living in Sodom and Gomorrah and we don;t have an Abraham to beseach G-d for us. The way things are going it is time for Mashiach to come. Armageddon is upon us.
Hilda ,   US   (12.17.05)
14. whats the point
i dont get it ,,,i consider my-self to be open minded but i really dont understand what this type of movie could teach me (havent seen the movie) but will it help me understand the kind of person that kills in this way am i supposed to have some respect for him because he also kills him self, sorry his choice not his victims any way i understand he is also told that 70 virgins are waiting for him. are we supposed to expect that if a loved one is killed or injured in a bombing we will have an easy time because he was making a polictical statement, i dont think so, every time there is a terror attack israel retaliaets and the innocent people of palistine suffer walls are being built gates closed so who wins oh yeh i forgot the 70 virgins
pilpelet ,   h israel   (12.17.05)
15. The problem with the movie
The reason the film is unpopular with the Israeli public is that they know the subject matter too well to be misled. The film abuses its artistic license in order to develop an undeserved sympathy with the suicide bomber. For example, the bomber refrains from blowing up civilians at a bus stop, and also refrains from getting on a bus with a child. Instead he blows up a bus in downtown Tel Aviv 90% occupied by soldiers in uniform. This was unrealistic. The vast majority of the victims are civilians including children, elderly, and frequently Arabs who never have and never will serve in the military. Like George Khoury who was shot and killed because he looked like a Jew. Similarly, one of the factors motivating the suicide bomber in the film was that his father was executed as a "collaborator." No explanation was given how it was determined that his father was a collaborator, what he did to deserve that description, or how or why he was executed. The film's producer apparently didn't want the distraction of this very telling aspect of the terrorist society.
RhubarbRex ,   Netivot, Israel   (12.17.05)
16. Best Foreign Language Film??
Unbelievable. It won the Best Foreign Language Film. What even drives me more insane are the comments over at IMDB, the movie site. Clearly, the US public loves this movie because of Arab propoganda against Jews. The main issue of Arab poverty in the WB and Gaza being blamed on Israel when their own leaders continue to pillage from them, the UN does nothing to manage their funding and 22 Arab countries do nothing. But of course, blame Israel. They HAVE to keep them in poverty for the mere fact of blaming Israel and no one sees it. What a crying shame.
marjoriemoon ,   USA   (01.18.06)
17. And I won't see this movie
I don't have to. I won't see Munich either and will be hard pressed to watch another Spielberg film.
marjoriemoon ,   USA   (01.18.06)
18. The media's "talking heads" shape the opinions of Americans
So, we're told it's The Best Foreign Language Film. Most people here will believe it. The news and Hollywood and most reviewers have a very slanted view and agenda when it comes to jews and Israel. It doesn't help that CAIR, et al do such a good job getting their message across. But then they have the ear of most of the media. I'd like to see and hear more from the Israeli point of view - G-d knows we hear and see a lot from the Palestinian point of view.
Cindy ,   Tacoma, USA   (01.18.06)
19. peace
I guess, with all the killing happening in the world. It is the time for us to search for the root cause. Ignoring the root cause will not solve the problem
Hiba ,   US   (01.18.06)
20. peace be with u
What Hiltler did is not justified and not acceptable. But we should not accept or justify the killing of other people due to what Hitler did.
Hiba ,   US   (01.18.06)
21. It is not cool
I disagree with u, you need to be more profound and understand the root cause. If you want peace and stop all the blowing up. You need to start with yourself by understanding why they do it. If you do not want to understand their cause, your country will never see peace.
Hiba ,   US   (01.18.06)
22. Dig more
Ignore the stupid fact that 70 virgins are waiting for them. Dig and try to understand the cause of their suffering and why they are willing to give up their lives for that. I do not think killing innocent people help their situtation or issue. I think it harms their cause more than anything else. But I guess when you are desperate you tend to do stupid thing to get attention. I know it seems so simple but if they were given their rights. I guess they will not have an excuse to kill. Why Jews and Palestinians can live outside the Middle East Area in peace. I guess it is God's war on earth. Which one of them. Aren't we all decendant of Abraham? If you read the Torah and Koran, you can see there is a lot of similarities but people do not want to see it due to ego and selfishness and power.!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read more and find the truth.
HIba ,   US   (01.18.06)
23. Maybe they're going in order to learn
Americans might be going to this atrocious justification for mass murder of innocent Israelis in order to learn just how amoral the Palithugs and islamofascists are - even when they behave nicely.
ashan   (02.09.06)
24. Artistry
The story of Islamic terrorism can be enjoyed onscreen by those who are not touched by it. As more and more non-Moslems come in contact with these killers there will be increasingly less tolerance for glorifying murder. The European man in the street is already beginning to wake up. The self-styled elite will take a little longer. Hitler and Stalin looked good to them early on too.
Edwin ,   US   (03.03.06)
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