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Vatican also wants Jerusalem?
Ahiya Raved
Published: 04.01.06, 00:08
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31. A solution for Jerusalem
Barry Abish ,   Jerusalem, ISRAEL   (01.04.06)
Well, I have a very simple solution. I say we auction the city to the highest bidder, and in the spirit of peace and cooperation, we can share some of the proceeds with the palestinians. Or we can offer the christian jew haters the right to dismantle and remove their holy places. They can then put them in Rome or New Jersey, or Hull.
32. YOU XTIANS ARE ALL NUTS
DACON9 ,   JEWS KNOW   (01.04.06)
THERE IS NO AGREEMENT AMONGST ALL YOU DIFFERENT XTIANS WHERE YOUR MYTHICAL MAN GD WAS BORN OR DIED OR BURIED. WAKE UP TO THAT FACT YOU BASED THE DEFORMED SINNING HERETIC WORDS AND LIFE ON RUMORS AND MYTHOLOGY AS MANY XTIANS ADMIT WAS CREATED TO FIT AND MAKE A STORY.
33. #9 PROFFESSIONAL MISSIONARY
DACON9 ,   TEACHING THE XTIANS   (01.04.06)
YOU ARE A VERY GOOD MISSIONARY. I HAVE SEEN MANY.. YOU ARE GOOD. YET YOU ARE SO BRAINWASHED THAT YOU DONT SEE YOUR OWN LIES ANYMORE. YOU QOUTED COMMANDMENTS YET YOU BLATANTLY VIOLATE THEM YOU VIOLATED ' 5 ' OF YOU LIST. I KNOW , I KNOW, YOU COULDNT UNDERSTAND WHERE I GOT ' 5' FROM. ALL BY PRAISING AND BOWING AND PRAYING TO YOUR jeus, THAT YOU SO DEFEND HERE SO MUCH. YOU ARE GOOD ,,YOU WILL FOOL A FEW. BUT YOU WILL GET YOUR DAY IN THE NEXT WORLD. YOUR MYTHICAL MAN GD IS DEAD AND NOT COMING BACK . WHEN MASHIACH COMES, THE EVIL AS YOUR jeus IS , WILL NEVER BE RESURRECTED. MASHIACH ERASES EVIL. HERETICS AS JEUS IS , HE BOILS IN ITS OWN EXCREMENT. THAT IS WRITTEN.
34. PA/ISLAMISTS MAKE WAR ON ISRAEL'S G-D CREATOR OFTHE UNIVERSE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (01.04.06)
On March 27, 2002, at the Park Hotel in Netanya, terrorists targeted for murder Jews honoring and thanking G-D for His great mercy: Exodus 12:14 “you shall celebrate it as a feast to the L-RD” Exodus 12:42 “It is a night to be observed for the L-RD for having brought them out from the land of Egypt; this night is for the L-RD, to be observed by all the sons of Israel throughout their generations.” The Islamic homicide bomber murdered 30 Israelis as the Jews obeyed G-D, taking part in the Passover meal. 140 Jewish innocents were injured. The bomb was filled with nails and other metal pieces to maximize the suffering of survivors. On August 19, 2003, terrorists targeted for murder Jews who worship G-D - Giver of all life. The homicide bomber blew himself up on the bus as Jews returned from prayer at the Western wall-the Temple Mount, the holiest place on earth, is Judaism's holiest site. Jerusalem is mentioned over 800 times in the Bible, not once in the Koran. The gruesome attack-the bomb packed with metal pieces, killed 22 Jews and injured 134, many seriously. If Jesus Christ lived today, from the time Jesus was in his mother's womb, he would be targeted for murder by the Islamofascists for being a Jew living in his homeland of Israel. The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the terrorists who brutally murdered defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish Gaza mother, Tali Hatuel, and four little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004. In defiance of Israel's G-D, and massively breaking G-D's law given to Moses: "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER", the Palestinian Authority teach that murdering Jews is a religious obligation through their mosques, media and public education system. Islamic human bomb murderers of innocent Jews are revered and considered heroes. Broadcast from Gaza mosque, Oct 13 2000, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..."
35. Will the Vatican send in their silly Guards
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (01.04.06)
Those silly Swiss guards fitted out in the most antiquated old outfits with their spears ....... Bring them on Benedict ! Bring the Swiss Guards that are your only so called troops to fight over Jerusalem There is only one problem: They are Swiss citizens and cannot actually fight for anything But we all remember the Catholics' hate for Israel ......... or even Jews, also we are told they love us .... give me a break
36. Addresses you can write to and voice your ops
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (01.04.06)
ADDRESSES YOU CAN WRITE TO: Dr. Joaquín Navarro-Valls Director, Vatican Press Office Tel.: (+39) 06.698.99.390; Fax: (+39) 06.698.83.252; E-mail ornet@ossrom.va vis@pressva-vis.va Pope Benedict XVI benedictxvi@vatican.va Tel: +39-066982 Fax: +39 - 069 88 53 78
37. Vatican - PERSECUTORS OF JEWS DOWN THROUGH THE AGES...
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (01.04.06)
...Murders, pogroms, Crusades, Inquisitions, blood libels, Deportations; the stealing of Jewish land and assets... G-D did not give one inch of Israel to the Vatican or any other religion! The Holy Land of Israel is exclusive Jewish real estate given by G-D to every Jew for all eternity! No other people. No other religion have any right to tell Israel what to do. The Vatican must return to Israel the stolen Temple treasures in the Vatican. STOP TRYING TO STEAL THE HOLY LAND!
38. Sad, Sad, Sad...
DANNY ,   America   (01.04.06)
I am just amazed at the bitterness that flows out of you fine folks mouths. It's almost as though you are showing your true colors. Are you sure you all know this God whom you won't even spell the word that means His name out of supposed reverence. I dare say you don't know him and although you seem to know all the bitter parts of your history you are missing the most important part of your history, the covenant that Moses and all your other great leaders made with this One, who chose you. If you really knew Him or believed in his power, you sure wouldn't be trying to blame the rest of the world for your history/problems. It is only going to be by turning to Him as a nation that help will really come. How many of you can honestly say you seek His will alone or His covenant for your Nation? How many of you can say "I sought Him with my whole heart" until you found Him? He is still findable, are you looking? Your Bitterness is proof your not looking very hard…
39. UN Resolution 181: Blueprint of the Beast?
David Ben-Ariel ,   Toledo, USA/Menashe   (01.04.06)
This is the latest salvo from the bloody Roman Catholic Church against Jewish sovereignty over their God-given capital of Jerusalem (interesting coming in this Hebrew month of Tevet that marks the beginning of the siege against Jerusalem by the other Babylonians), and will end with brutal EU occupation of the Holy City, betraying both Arabs and Jews. http://tinyurl.com/bru7o UN Resolution 181: Blueprint of the Beast?
40. #38 Danny - G-D ALONE KNOWS THE HEARTS OF MEN!
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (01.04.06)
If I were you, I would let the true Judge, G-D, judge. You know nothing about the courageous Jews who for thousands of years to this very day, love G-D with all their heart, soul and might.
41. VICAR OF CHRIST AND SUCCESSOR AND SUCCESSOR OF SAINT PETER
URBAN II ,   ROME   (01.04.06)
The ONLY HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH hasn't ask to have the direct control on Jerusalem .The CHURCH just says that Jerusalem should be an international city under the administration of the U.N..This is the only way to stop violence .And don' t forget that Israel took control of Jerusalem with violence against international law. .
42. Catholic Church
B. Rickman ,   Shelton CT   (01.05.06)
I don't think the Church wants to take over israel as so many posts here suggest. What it seems to me, is the big concern is the safety of and unrestricted access to, holy sites that the churches pilgrims have been going to for over 1000 years. I am hurt and stunned by the anti-catholic poison spit out on this site. If there has ever been a defender of Israel is Christianity, Protostant and Catholic alike. It is sad to see so much good that the Catholic Church has done, ignored, distorted and altogeather forgotten. As a Catholic Christian, I would never say such things about any other religion - even Islam. There are always people in ANY organization who do things that are wrong (pedifiles, liers, cheaters, exc). The Catholic Church is not alone in these problems. The sheer level of hate directed at the Church is uncalled for. I am especially shocked at the comments from Jews on this site. Has it been forgotten how much has been done by the Church in their defense over the years? Is all that to be discounted, disguarded and negated? We, the Catholic Church are by no means perfect. We are people, just like everyone else. People are stupid and make mistakes. Tell me of an organization made up of people who do not make errors? Are the problems of one organization to be magnified, just because you do not like that organization? I don't particularly like the IRS, but I am not going to sling mud at them because I do not like who they are or what job they have to do. Too many good Catholic priest and religious are hit by your lies and mischaracterizations, as are those who may or may not deserve them. For those Jews who may sling mud, please remember who defended you during the attempted destruction of your entire race, and, who will again defend you if it should happen again. We will not abandon you, as so many around the world are want to do when it is expedient. Remember also that just because politicians do not get something right, does not mean that the Church is against Isreal. I did not like the Oslo accord and was quite against it, as were many Catholics in this nation. I also do not like what Condolizza Rice is doing as far as Israel is concerned. I think it shall utterly harm the nation in the long run.
43. RE: G-D ALONE KNOWS THE HEARTS OF MEN!
Danny ,   America   (01.05.06)
Why wouldn't I know? Do you know me or my heritage? My name is Daniel (God is Judge). How can anyone who knows Israel's history separate their lot in life apart from their relationship to God and the covenant established by Him with them. The whiners I wrote to don't have even a nodding acquaintance with this Person. They are not those who like the heroes of faith who saw the unseen. They see only what the human mind can comprehend always missing God's strong hand for them, even in the chastisement. I cheer Israel and pray for her and say to those whiners "get a clue". Prove your faith by taking responsibility not blaming everyone else. PS Shore up your defenses.
45. re: Vatican wants Jerusalem
tomas ,   Canada   (01.05.06)
How can the jews claim Jerusalem to be theirs? It is not a Jewish "state". It is a unique holy place and it belongs to the christians, muslims and jews together. No one group can lay claim overs Jerusalem without the threat of the city being totally destroyed and bombed because of religious zenophobia and greed. Would the jews actually let go of Jerusalem? I wouldn't expect so. One shouldn't expect the muslims or the christians to roll over either.
46. No need to hate catholics, thanks
J ,   Albrecht   (01.05.06)
Look, Jaeger is an idiot. He's not representative of Catholics--the vast majority of whom know that being under israeli authority is infinitely preferable to being under palestinian authority. That's just a fact and only people with political agendas draw absurd equivalencies between Palestinian and Israeli behavior. The problem is that most of the christian officials in the region are pushing political issues (much like their foreign affairs counterparts in secular governments) so you can't take anything they say seriously--either as an argument or as representative of any views other than their own.
47. ANTI-CATHOLICISM
ROSEANN ,   YORKTOWN HTS., U.S.A   (01.05.06)
I AM A ROMAN CATHOLIC, AND MY GOD GAVE US THE COMMANDMENT TO LOVE ON ANOTHER, NOT TO SLANDER OR BLATANTLY LIE ABOUT EACH OTHER! HOW ABOUT YOUR GOD, IS HE NOT THE SAME?
48. Catholic Church
David ,   Houston   (01.06.06)
The Catholic Church loves the Jewish people. Jesus was a Jew and we love him. His mother Mary was a Jew and we love her and honor her. Joseph the husband of Mary was a Jew and we love him. The first followers of Christ were all Jews and we love them . Are you begining to understand.
49. Catholics show true colors
Mark ,   Sioux Falls SD USA   (01.06.06)
The Jews would have more friends if they would learn to forgive, and act honorably. Three times as many Christians than Jews died in the Holocost, but the jews don't even care enough to talk about that. We as Christians have to forgive, so we can get on with our lives. While we try not to forget what led to these atrocities, we forgive those who were so deranged as to alow it. If the jews would simply forgive, all the world would be endeared to them, and many reconciled to their elder brethren in the Faith.
50. JEWS AND XTIANS
Nevi Pesach ,   USA   (01.06.06)
My G-d is a Jew: Yeshua ha Mashiach. Those who claim to be Jewish dont go far enough into fulfilling their own Judaism. What I mean is, if the Xtians believe that their G-d is a Jew, wouldnt that make them more 'Jewish' than the Jews? Because even "Jews" dont go that far. So the Xstians are in fact more Jewish because they worship a circumsized Jew who also happens to be the Son of G-D. So Xtians are Jews by adoption as well as through chutzpah. Chuzpah enough to worship a Jew. As far as the mud-slinging...at its root Anti-Xtianity is not only Anti-Semitic, but Anti-Jewish, because at least for the Xtians G-D Himself IS A JEW. Sadly though, for many Xtians, G-D's Judaic quality eludes them because they had focused too much on His Divine Nature ... and not enough on His very Jewish Humanity. To sum up: Jews, stop hating YOUR OWN - and Xtians: stop seeing only half the Person - Who is your G-D and embrace the PERFECTLY and completely Jewish side of your Messiah! Let us ask G-D to be able to love one another as the family that we are. The reason we keep fighting so much is because the worst arguments/fights are always within the family. You know this, I know this. Jews: love your younger adopted brothers, Xstians: love and respect your elders. Shalom.
51. #50 Jews, Xtians and ALL MANKIND
Mary ,   US   (01.06.06)
AMEN, Nevi! The most wonderful thing about being Roman Catholic is knowing we're all as imperfect as everybody else in the family. Good news is Our Father in His Mercy never gives up on ANY of his kids, most especially the ones too busy kibitzing to realize all the fuss being made is for naught - Perfect Love will prevail. The day will come when we will percieve all our brothers and sisters in truth. Indeed, much will be revealed, especially our own stubborn blindness to the value and dignity of each and every one...
52. HEY # 50 & 51
DACON9   (01.06.06)
HOW LONG HAVE YOU WACKOS BEEN CERTIFIED AS TEST LAB RATS. YOU GUYS ARE NUTS. THERE IS A PLACE FOR YOUR KIND..... FAR FAR AWAY
53. To #45
Christopher ,   Boston, ,MASS USA   (01.12.06)
This is not about control, itis about reality. For the first time in 2000 years , all people are allowed to worship as they please in Jerusalem. When it was controlled by the Vatican or its proxies in the past, it was an automatic death sentence for Jews to attempt to pray or be present in the Holy City; When the Muslims under the Ottoman Empire, and shortly under the Grand Mufti, Jews would be executed on the spot if they attempted to pray at the Western Wall - their Holiest site. Only now, since the reunification of the city, can Jews, Christias and Muslims pray where they wish without fear of retribution from a religious entity. Christians control their own Holy sites as do the Muslims. For the Vatican to step in now is simply a ploy to usurp the authority through political means what they have tried to achieve through military means (ie: The Crusades and others) over the past 2 millenia.
54. #47 I have 1 question
MARK ,   USA   (01.13.06)
Why have you not followed that commandment for 2005 years? You hate your own diety and that makes you a saint. You venerate Mary and at the same time bash her religion. How kind?Thanks for 2005 years of blessing the world.
55. We never heard you say I am sorry.
MARK ,   USA   (01.13.06)
After great pressure the pope said that in a mass. It only took 2000 years. The pope can only speak for the pope. The death of Jesus does not excuse bad behavior. Nice try. Why are the Catholic countries the most anti-semetic?
56. We owe you a thank you.
MARK ,   USA   (01.13.06)
Thank you for killing Jews and 2005 years of Anti-Semitism. The nuns wanted to have a convent next to a concentration camp in Poland even though the Poles helped the Nazis kill Jews. I am sure those nuns were praying for the murdered Jews. We asked them to leave and they refused.
57. MARY MARY on the contrary
MARK ,   USA   (01.13.06)
Catholics excel at imperfection and that is not a wonderful thing. They especially excel at Anti-Semitism(I KNOW). To begin you degrade your own diety by being Anti-Semitic. Is that wonderful?
58. The UN has a number 666
MARK ,   USA   (01.13.06)
59. MAY EVERY XTIAN SITE BE DESTROYED
DACON9   (01.16.06)
EDOM.. IS STILL PUNISHING THE JEWS TODAY THE EVIL VATICAN esauv
60. Please forgive us
Barbara ,   Florida, usa   (07.31.06)
It really saddens my heart to hear all of the talk against Christians. Please don’t include all Christians with those that are against Jews. The Jews are G-d’s chosen people, they always have been, and they always will be. I don’t like the fact that Israel is giving away all the land that G-d has promised, and I am and always will be in awe of the Jewish people. All you have to do is look at history to see G-d’s hand is still upon you. Just the fact that all the other countries hate you is proof. And they hate America because we are allies with you. Let them hate me! I will always be an ally for G-d’ chosen. As for the cross, it was not the Jews who put Him there, but the Father’s will. He was sent as a ransom for many. He did not come to be served, but to serve. It was love that kept Him on the cross. There aren’t many true Christians left in America, they are being misled by the world. The apostacy of the Church is evident, and you will know a true Christian by his works. If you look at the Vatican, and the headlines about them, then you can see the fruit of their works. The greatest commandments are to love G-d with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. I see less and less of that everyday. And the liberal media here is always making Israel out to be the bad guy. The spirit of anti-semitism is running rampant, and it makes me sick. The liberals don’t want anything to do with G-d, and they are even changing laws here to make it harder for preachers to speak morals from the church. I can’t even imagine how hard it is in Israel. I have always wanted to go there to see the holy places, but could never afford it. I’ve been reading Israeli newspapers lately, because I wanted to get the real story, not the liberal garbage. I’m learning more and more about how much Israel is still being persacuted. Please forgive us!
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