The speech made by the Islamic zealots in Mecca during the Hajj was not approved nor was it cleared by the top authorities of the Saudi government. This came as a total surprise to the relevant bodies who more than likely will present official note through the " proper channels" to the US administration within 48 hrs.Nevertheless , this remains Islamic agitation with little effects as it was somehow expected ( Including by Israeli specialized bodies ) Israel is not the only country targeted by this kind of hateful comments which underline the Islamist approach of the Iranian derelict government. Iran , one of the most backwards dictatorship , even by Middle Eastern standards, is a country of no human right, public hanging, torture by the revolutionary guards, and economic shambles. All of these being traditionally associated with regressive Islam.and not compatible with the standards of International community. Such behavior by Iran's representative can only further damage the image of Iran. Religious nationalism of any kind does not do anything for the peace. Mahmoud and Ali both wear a beard ! we all know what to thing about bearded men dont we ?

In the name of Islam , public hanging and stoning have been and still are taking place in Islamic countries. Women are forced into a second class citizen status, being deprived of education, countries in which regressive Islam is present have seen the disintegration of any economic hopes for a better life... Although I understand that you are a Moslem, I encourage you to visit the numerous web sites detaling the suffering of some of your brothers in faith. There is much to think about and learn. Any religion which openly calls for holy war against those who are not of the same faiths not a progressive religion. I remind you that the word religion comes from Latin , meaning to establish a bound with all human beings ( re LIgare). Public hanging of representatives of " minorities" is NOT a sign of progress. JIhad is NOT a sign of Peace. Treatment of women in many Islamic countries is NOT a sign of civilization. The list of " advserse effects " of Islam on human society is non exhaustive...and documentation is available everywhere...this being said, I have nothing personal against members of different faith...including Moslems

Oh come on, #30. I would hardly call dhimmi status full civil rights.

Always a pleasure to read your sane responses. Keep up the good work...

The best part is the people here complementing one another for the sane responses. This can't get better. As a christian who lives in a predominantely muslim society, I see things different to my fellow christians in the US. Dhimmi rules were carved in the 6th century A.D. and for that period of time they were far better than the slavery rules that ruled over Europe for more than 1200 years to come. Actually until this day, a modern version of those rules could apply, and to call them hardly civil rights from someone who lives in Israel or the US is just a joke. The US, the tavern of freedom did not give the black Americans who compose less than 15% of the total population and more than 50% of the armed forces their civil right until after a long struggle in the late sixties! Palestinians inside 1948 borders still have no civil rights till this day!!! Muslims treated minorities in their lands far better than any other nations on earth and the proof is so obvious, we still live here 1400 years after the Islamic conquest of the land.

from: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42603 GLOBAL JIHAD Report: Saudis spread hate through U.S. mosques Propaganda against Jews, Christians 'mainstreamed within our borders' January 29, 2005 The 89-page report by Freedom House's Center for Religious Freedom, "Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Fill American Mosques," concludes the Saudi government propaganda examined reflects a "totalitarian ideology of hatred that can incite to violence." * Various Saudi government publications gathered for the study, most of which are in Arabic, assert it is a religious obligation for Muslims to hate Christians and Jews... * The documents stress that when Muslims are in the lands of the unbelievers, they must behave as if on a mission behind enemy lines. Either they are there to acquire new knowledge and make money to be later employed in the jihad against the infidels, or they are there to proselytize the infidels until at least some convert to Islam..." U.S. leaders declare Saudi Arabia is America's friend and a key ally in the war on terror. As Saudi Arabia incites to hate and jihad against America's Christians and Jews, the U.S. government defining Saudi Arabia as America's friend, strongly indicates the American people have a grim future ahead of them.

Airline bans Bibles to avoid offending Muslims Carrier to Saudi Arabia also precluding crucifixes, teddy bears Posted: January 9, 2006 WorldNetDaily.com A British airline banned its staff from taking Bibles and wearing crucifixes or St. Christopher medals on flights to Saudi Arabia to avoid offend the country's Muslims. British Midland International also has told female flight attendants they must walk two paces behind male colleagues and cover themselves from head to foot in a headscarf and robe known as an abaya, the Mirror newspaper of London reported. Teddy bears or other cuddly toys also are not allowed. Airline officials, who have sparked outrage, the paper says, explain the Islamic kingdom's strict laws – enforced by religious police – prohibit public practice of Christianity and figures of animals. BMI spokesman Phil Shepherd said: "In providing air services people want, demand and use, we have an obligation to respect the customs of the destination country." An airline employee who asked not to be named told the Mirror: "It's outrageous that we must respect their beliefs but they're not prepared to respect ours."... http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48269

Drastic changes are taking place in America. U.S. schools, hostile to Christianity and Judaism, are aggressively promoting Islam. from: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36118 JUDICIAL JIHAD Judge rules Islamic education OK in California classrooms Dismisses suit opposing requirement students recite Quran, pray to Allah December 13, 2003 © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com Requiring seventh-grade students to pretend they're Muslims, wear Islamic garb, memorize verses from the Quran, pray to Allah and even to play "jihad games" in California public schools has been legally upheld by a federal judge, who has dismissed a highly publicized lawsuit brought by several Christian students and their parents...the suit was filed by the Thomas More Law Center against the Byron Union School District and various school officials to stop the use of the "Islam simulation" materials and methods used in the Excelsior Elementary School in Byron, Calif. The World History and Geography class in question is part of a curriculum being taught to seventh-graders all over the state, and is included in the state's curriculum standards required by the state board of education. Although the standards outline what subjects should be taught and will be included in state assessment tests, they don't mandate how they're to be taught. In the three-week course, Excelsior teacher Brooke Carlin had students assume Islamic names, recite prayers in class, memorize and recite verses from the Quran, and had them simulate Ramadan fasting by going without something for a day. The final test required students to critique Muslim culture. The Islam simulations at Excelsior are outlined in the state-adopted textbook "Across the Centuries," published by Houghton Mifflin, which prompts students to imagine they are Islamic soldiers and Muslims on a Mecca pilgrimage. The lawsuit also alleges students were encouraged to use such phrases in their speech as "Allah Akbar," which is Arabic for "God is great," and were required to fast during lunch period to simulate fasting during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. "While public schools prohibit Christian students from reading the Bible, praying, displaying the Ten Commandments, and even mentioning the word 'God,' students in California are being indoctrinated into the religion of Islam,"... The Islamic indoctrination of America's school children is a major victory in the war for global Islamic conquest.

Anan, it's not the same. Any hatred toward Muslims is because of Islamic terrorism and Islamic triumphalism. If Islam would truly treat all men as brothers, negotiate instead of terrorizing, speak instead of screaming, there would not be the reaction that you see here.

But they are Muslims.

Layla, there is not even peace amongst fellow Muslims. What are you talking about?

Because CNN always takes your side and covers up for you.

Jews respect everyone who respects them. Lack of respect causes a reaction. Furthermore, "tolerance" implies doing someone a favor. We don't need any favors. We are no one's dhimmi.

can anyone believe how stupid we are in the west? look at this link here? how crazy and politically correct can you get?this is suicidal? http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48269 Airline bans Bibles to avoid offending Muslims. Carrier to Saudi Arabia also precluding crucifixes, teddy bears; 09 January 2006 A British airline banned its staff from taking Bibles and wearing crucifixes or St. Christopher medals on flights to Saudi Arabia to avoid offend the country's Muslims. British Midland International also has told female flight attendants they must walk two paces behind male colleagues and cover themselves from head to foot in a headscarf and robe known as an abaya, the Mirror newspaper of London reported. Teddy bears or other cuddly toys also are not allowed. Airline officials, who have sparked outrage, the paper says, explain the Islamic kingdom's strict laws – enforced by religious police – prohibit public practice of Christianity and figures of animals. BMI spokesman Phil Shepherd said: "In providing air services people want, demand and use, we have an obligation to respect the customs of the destination country." An airline employee who asked not to be named told the Mirror: "It's outrageous that we must respect their beliefs but they're not prepared to respect ours." The employee said his grandmother gave him a crucifix shortly before she died that he wears at all times. "It's got massive sentimental value and I don't see why I have to remove it," he said. The airline's staff handbook says: "Prior to disembarking the aircraft all female crew will be required to put on their company issued abaya. It will be issued with the headscarf which must be worn." .... How Daft and Redicilous!

my friends,the palestinians will never be ready for peace while it continue to glorify death and taching children that killing jews is the best guarantee for heaven. watch this video online http://www.pmw.org.il/AFD.html Today an entire generation of Palestinian children, victims of the PA’s indoctrination and propaganda, believe that their death for Allah in war is the highest achievement attainable in life. This education is an indelible stain on Palestinian society, and places the Palestinian Authority among the greatest child abusers in history. Why is everyone Including Israel not Screaming Loud about this? why is that Dicredited UN Not making any issue about this Evil? Cause it Israel that will be the Victims and Jews Don't really Matter Much in the UN. Why would the UN Display a Flag of a Nation that Don't exist? Really friends,the UN Should be held to account Over so many anti-israeli Resolutions and Bias.. Why do the UN Condemn a Nation that is Engaged in Defending it People Against acts of War. TheTerrorists Have Declared War on a Sovereign Nation,Israel Should be allowed to use Any means to Safe guard it Security. Making Peace with the Devil will not Bring Peace. the Muslims want Israel Piece by Piece. there can Never be Peace Till Israel Destroys all the Cells in Gaza and the other Areas. Islamic Nations Around Israel are Just as Bad. when will Bush and the Rest of the World see sense? Never. they Rely to much on the Oil.

Bunnie, from Santa Monica. Listen If only you knew what Islam is, you would not come out with the cult of death thing. Islam is not what you hear in every-day media; Islam definitely is something else... give it a chance of your understanding.

Hajj is way above your understanding mate. As for the article you put as a concrete proof of your understanding, it goes to show how vague your base is to tell something so strongly!

You Wrote the Following,, " Islam is not what you hear in every-day media; Islam definitely is something else... give it a chance of your understanding" Friend,it not what we Hear,but what we see day in day out... you say,"Give it a chance." You mean Untill they Kill Us all? You Obviously are a Moderate? but Friend,consider the Prophet Mohammed,he Practiseds and Encouraged Violent,he Killed and Was a Warrior Just like Bin Laden! Can you Distance yourself from the Radicals and Denounce Those Hateful Teachings of Mohammed? if you and Other Muslim Did more of this,We might Have Hope. but if you Moderate Don't Denounce and Condemn these Ediot Publically,there is no Hope,and No point you Saying,,,Give it a Chance. How much more Atrocities and Terrorism do we have to Witness,30,000 Churches Destroted in Indonesia,young Teanagers Girls Having their Heads Chpped off,Millions of Christians Tortured and Killed in Sudan and Other Islamic Nations,i Could go on and on,,,The Hatred towards Israel and the Lack of Any Respect For Women,Christians and Jews in Muslim Nations... You must Realise that Time is not on Islam Side,and it up to Islam to Change and Prove to the World that they are willing to Join the Civilized World. Have you ever Questioned the Type of Man Mohammed was Compared to the True Prophet of old? He Was not in Keeping With Jesus or all the Prophet in the Whole Bible etc,,? Think about it Friend,,he Contradicted the Revelation Revealed By the God of Israel. How can Islam Hate Israel,Yet Claim Allah is the Same God as The God of Israel. It Don't make any sense Does it? I Do hope you Consider the Dark Side of Mohammed and Realise What a Dangerous Man he Actually was,and What a Legacy he left. I'm not convinced! i Pray you Realise that Islam is not a True Revelation of God but a False And Dangerous Religion... For your Interest,Read Ezkl38+39 and Zech 12,,,this will Show you the Fate of those who are About to Come Against Israel. Thanks

oh,get a life man.get real. you are not a Christian if you Support this evil from hell. What a Plonker you are! how dare you say minorities are treated better in Muslim countries! what planet are you on? you should thank God that Israel is there to Stop and Keep in check the Evil of Islam. What happened to Christians in Saudi arabia?none there by the looks of things, it not Legal,your Head would be Off. what happens in Every Muslim Countries? christians are Persecuted! What about the Destruction of Indonesian Churches,about 30,000 in Recent times,Three christian Teenage Girls Murdered,their Heads Chopped off for being a Christian. and How about Sudan? millions torchered and killed. do you want me to go on,,,? come on man,what you are saying is Obsene and absolutely Stupid. you sound more like a muslim to me,any woner,you're living in fear of free speech,you have the Audacity to Defend What Islam is Doing and Bring shame to the Name of Christ. Mohammed was a Madman that Killed his Enemies while Jesus Died for Sinners. Get a life will you? Shame on you! Bye the way,Correction,Palestine Don't exist,met it Never exist! it only Exist in your Imagination,and Jesus is For Israel-you Should know this as a Christian,but of course,you are Obviously not following jesus,more like Mohammed. Long Live Zion!

Doug Tredegar : Are you saying that every country has a different God ? God of Bible, Lord God of Israel, Hindu Gods, African Gods, Greek, Buddhist & Norsk Gods, Catholic & Protestant Gods etc etc. How many Gods are there in all & when did they all came about & WHY Did GOD create all this problem or MAN Try sorting the present day problem(s) by taking out GOD from the equation. Give your mind time & free space to think & don't believe the first line you read in any MEDIA. START ANEW ! The Blind cannot lead the BLIND !

no 51, i'm not Doug,but i read what you said. you totally Misrepresented him Big time. It shows how Ignorant you are,or i woner Whether you are Taking the Mick? I Read Doug's Carefully,and He refered to the Only one God,how you missed this,and Stated he mentioned so many gods Is beyond me. He was Clear about the One and Only True God,the God of the Bible is the God of the Jews and the God of Jesus Christ,Or,you could say the God of the univers.. I really Don't understand your Problem? If you Disagree with him,that Another thing,but you Deliberately Misrepresented him,unless you are so Stupid and Ignorant,which i Doubt... Doug made His Position Clear. he Talks Of One God.

Nash writes; "Let's begin from the beginning...Are you saying that every country has a different God ? .." ===The beginning is always a good place to start. The Bible does just that ad only talks of one true God. The God of the Bible calls Himself the "Lord God of Israel". The message He reveals in the Bible extends from Genesis to Revelation and presents God's redemptive purpose for mankind, revealing quite explicitly how man not only created the problems that we live amongst, but also his total inability to deal with them, find a permanent peace or to earn his own salvation. Nash writes; "...Try sorting the present day problem(s) by taking out GOD from the equation...... Give your mind time & free space to think & don't believe the first line you read in any MEDIA. ...." Man's own attempts to solve what you cite as 'present day problems' lie in ruins all around us. The Bible's message is clear and prophetic. God's plan is being fulfilled even as I write, in spite of man and his humanistic, atheistic, arrogant attitude which, lacking in all integrity, shake their fist in the Face of the Almighty. As to the media, I rarely believe all that is printed and do my best to lead the blind away from the 'pied pipers of print'. I can only confirm what Chris has said in post #52, in that you have either totally misread, misunderstood or utterly misrepresented what I said in my earlier posts. God bless.

You refer to the "dhimmi" system and about what you perceive as it's "merits". You expediently ignore that it is an Islamic system where such subjugated individuals are subjected to a disturbing policy of prejudice, racial hatred, humiliation and segregation, just because they live under Islamic domination.

In relation to your use of the term "Palestine", at this present time "Palestine" does not exist as a geographical, regional, political or religious entity of ANY description and has not done so since the re-birth of the Jewish state of Israel in May 1948. The use of the term is not only a distortion of the facts on the ground in the Middle East but also denotes an inherent bias against the present existence of the State of Israel within it's current boundaries and a predilection towards the Arab stance in the region...."

What most People are not aware of is the Significant of Iran in the Prophetic Word. The Islamic Revolution in 1979 was no Accident,and the Prophet Ezkl Spoke of a Last Days Persia Allied to Russia and Coming Against A Restored Land of israel. That how we know and can rely on this Prophecy! it states Israel will be a Land Restored again (after Dispersion which took Place in Ad-70.). Yet how many are aware of this? Is it not Significant that Russia is Arming and Allied to the Islamic Nations? Many Bible Students Agree that This Northern Nation mentioned here in ezkl38+39 cannot be any other Nation But Russia! when it state, "From the Uttermost part Of the North" There cannot be any Doubt. Gog will be the leader of a great army that attacks the land of Israel in the end times. Gog is described as "the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal," from the north "the land of Magog" (Ezekiel 38:2-3). The prophet Ezekiel prophetically describes Gog attacking Israel with a powerful force (Ezekiel chapters 38-39). According to this prophesy of Ezekiel, Gog will be defeated by God Himself on the mountains of Israel. The slaughter will be so great it will take seven months to bury all of the dead (Ezekiel 39:12). The Book of Revelation also mentions Gog and Magog (Revelation 20:7-8). The prophesy in Revelation is essentially a restatement of Ezekiel's prophesy. Magog was a grandson of Noah (Genesis 10:2). The descendants of Magog settled to the far north of Israel, likely in Europe and northern Asia (Ezekiel 38:2). Magog seems to be used to refer to "northern barbarians" in general, but likely also has a connection to Magog the person. The people of Magog are described as skilled warriors (Ezekiel 38:15; 39:3-9). The Book of Revelation uses Ezekiel's prophesy about Magog to portray a final end times attack on the nation of Israel. Many Bible prophesy teachers identify Gog and Magog as Russia and/or China.

HI,Yes i did not mean to connect the Gog and Magog Found in Revelation20 as the same Reference to Ezkl38+39. Merely Pointing Out this is Refered to,but it not the Same Battle. The Revelation Reference is Of another time,after the 1,000 Years of the Raign of Messiah on Earth whome i Believe To be Yeshua. Ezkl38 will Take place in Our Generation.and Will involve Millions upon Millions of the Jihadist From around the World. it will be a Blood Bath. This is When all the Fighting Men within Islam will Come and Meet their Waterloo..oh my,what a Surprise for them?

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