1. Treat them all as foreign residents
Just treat them as foreign residents who are voting by absentee ballot--and who are ineligible for handouts. This should be applied to Arabs in the Galilee and throughout the State of Israel. Indeed Barakei (or was it Tibi) that said his teudat zehut (ID card) was his teudat shehut (residency permit). This time, give him what his wants.
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2. The only choice
The only choice they should be given is weather they want to leave peacefully or being kicked out by force.
| Intedi Nensak , |
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3. Yes to Israel, No to PA
Why does the PA stick their noses in our matter, we prefer Israel, we always did since the day we were born.
Jerusalem is for israel, we are in jerusalem, so we're israelis..
| M , |
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4. Guess what: It is time to give them back East Jerusalem!
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5. An eastern Jerusalemite
It is time to admit that you are occupiers and get out of Jerusalem. We were here before you arrive to this land in the recent decades, and will be here after God willing you vanish from the face of our great home and Land!
The only Jews who can live with us are those who were living with us in dignity before this whole zionist movement started during the mandate time.
No peace for the occupiers..!
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6. They Should Leave
Jerusalem is Israel's capital- EXCLUSIVELY. If the Arabs aren't willing to accept this, then they have to go elsewhere.
It's really quite simple.
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7. Author wants to give half Yerushalyim to the PLO
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8. this guy makes a lot of sense
or recognise them as israeli citizens , which you have not agreed to up until now , or give up east jerusalem and give it to the PA which the palestinians there do not want ,
but there has to be a solution , the palestinians there want to be recognized as citizens of some country , so grant them at least this one..
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9. East J,erusalem
The palestinians in East Jerusalem should be given a joice.Either receive social assistance from Israel, or vote.They should not be able to to both.They already have a country called Jordan. The also usurped the name Palastine from Jews. Enough already.
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10. To Saberi
Once again with the "new" version of history. Jews were in the holy land of Israel and Jerusalem way before your people Saberi, that you choose to ignore the real facts of history is just the usual way your people carry on and is perpetuated in the lies you print in your school books in the PA schools. I suggest you go to a reputable library and do some research, educate yourself, but hey then you might just find out you have been believing in a lie.
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11. To Saberi: Israel must give expulsion orders to Arabs
All Israeli Arabs must have their citizenship removed. You like Israel so you can get money for welfare but you live in ghettos and create crime. You deserve to be mistreated. You have destroyed Israel. Why is the Galilee so poor and dirty? Arabs I would rather give you more land even most of it as long as there can be an a 100% Jewish state. Why do the people in Gaza come to Israel to work? They use Israel so they can get money and kill Jews. You need to leave or be put in prison. You have destroyed Israel. It is time to leave or Jews will become suicide bombers so you will be forced to leave. It is not gong to be pleasant. Jews will have to riot. They should be doing that now. Kick Arabs out of Government . Fire all Arab workers and give the work to Jews. We need higher fences and higher walls. The children of Essau are wild. It says so in the bible. I wish you peace in your land but do not step on ours until you can behave.
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12. #3 Very few feel that way
I wish more felt like you did.
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14. Saberi; You are from Arabia land thief occupier!
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15. To ALEX
Alex. You need to revise history. Most Palestinians have their origins to the Cannanites. If you do not know who are the Cannanite then shut up and go and educate your self.
Cannanites are an early inhabitants of the Holy Land who came from Arabia long before Abraham himself land there.!!!!
Cannanites are semitic people whose language is very close to both Hebrew and Arabic. Both Hebrews and Arabs are semitic people. However, Arabs have always been the majority and this does not give Jews the right to expell others.
This is different from being muslim or not. There are two issues here.
The arrival of Islam to the Holy Land in the seventh century does not mean that Arabs have been there only in the 7th century. As a matter of facts, Arabs in the Holy land, Cannanite Arabs, were pegons, and later chrisitans at the time of the Romans, and finally became muslims when a new arab immigration took place in the 7th century!
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16. wrong yish, now go crawl back in your hole
first of all, anything you say has no meaning. you have been completely and thoroughly discredited over the retreat from gaza. you stated that jews would NEVER leave gaza. you stated that israelis would NEVER allow this to happen. you stated god would NEVER allow this to happen. you stated that gaza's jewish population growth was NEVER higher.
well i have news for you, mr. racist. you were WRONG. you were NEVER right. you have been exposed as a fraud and a preacher of intolerance and hatred.
to your non-point, jerusalem is not the capital of israel. that would be tel aviv. check any map. check any embassy's location, including the us. check the us state department's website. the only person who thinks this perturbed thought is you. and you have been proven a liar and a fraud.
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17. To #13
They do not exists? hmmm......
\Whom you are fighting then?
Who did Jews fight after the Exodus?
I guess they were fighting each other then!
Stupiddddddddddddddd....
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18. To #15
Does this mean that you're NOT b'nei Avraham through Ishmael then? When did this happen?
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19. To #17 re: "Palestinians"
The terms "Palestine and "Palestinians" have meant different things in different times. The word "Palestine" derives from "Philistines/Plishtim" a/k/a the Sea People. The Romans called this whole area "Palestine." The Jerusalem Post, hardly what you'd call a "Palestinian" paper, used to be called The Palestine Post.
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20. Caananites = Palestinians? Nope... (15)
You write with authority, but the opinion you espouse is the anthropological equivalent of the "flat earth theory". Yes, even today you'll find flat earthers (http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm)
See wikipedia's entry on Caanan. The Torah describes Caananites as Hamitic, not Semitic, even though they used Semitic languages.
In the wikipedia you'll find the following, "Some skeptics in the very early 1900s postulated that Cush, Mizraim, Put and Ham were all locations in northern Arabia, and suggested the name Canaan was therefore similarly of Arab origin. It is plausible that inscriptions in the Canaanite language incorporated some geographic and religious phrases that originated in Arabic."
That's the extent of it. Hardly support for your perspective, and if it were true, it still wouldn't be talking about the place we'ere living in, but "northern Arabia".
So, stop repeating these lies. You have NO proof that "most Palestinians" originate with the Caananites, you are using an unproven theorty about who Caananites were, and there is no proof that Caananites were Arabs, though they used as semitic language. It's kind of like saying that Americans or Romans because they speak a language whose basis is Latin. It's just a stupid thing to claim.
The bottom line is that Jews believe G-d promised us this Land. It's the ONLY homeland of Jews on all of Earth. At some point, we were largely exiled. But we're back, adn nobody has ever said that Arabs had to leave. The question is whether Arabs have a right to yet another state, whether "Palestinians" are a unique type of Arab in that they are a separate "people" of sorts rather than a colleciton of tribes like almost all the other Arab countries.
You know deep in your heart that your claim to be Caananites is solely to assuage your guilt at stealing Jewish lands and trying to eliminate the Jewish Homeland while achieving a Muslim and Pan-Arab objective.
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21. to 16
Israel has made Jerusalem her capitol. since the time of our King David. That's the only opinion that matters.
True, due to political reasons and Arab threats most (not all) other countries respect TA as the capitol, we don't believe that this decision of their's, taken under duress and Arab threat, represents what people know in their hearts. Jerusalem has been and always will be the spiritual center of the Jewish people, and it's that spiritual heart that brought us back after so many years. We never forgot Zion (the name of the mountain Jerusalem is on).
FYI, Jerusalem was NEVER a capitol of even any civilian administration of Arabs, or any other Arab government in this region (except for the Mayor of Jerusalem, who was Arab). That'd be Ramallah if you want to find the governmental center of Pre-state of Israel affairs. Jerusalem was invented as the Palestinian capitol by Arafat because he knew we'd never surrender it, and thus he could have his pretext to keep the conflict burning.
Why can't Muslims simply accept that Jews should be sovereign over their holiest site? Why do they have to have EVERYTHING they think is important to them? I think the selfish ones are the Arab Muslims generally, and the Pals specifically. .
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22. correction # 16
you are rite about everything you said except for tel aviv is the capital ,
the jews have no capital in the middle east , and there capital is where each one of them came from in the first place ,if that is russia or europe , or who knows or cares , the bottom line is they have no capital , and for your information , telaviv is originaly tal ilrabee which is part of yafa ...
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23. Ridiculous!
Guy Bechor has a simplistic understanding of citizenship/residency and voting. There are plenty of Americans living in Israel who are citizens or residents of Israel and who, GASP, vote in US elections. Likewise, in the US, we have hordes of citizens and residents who vote in other countries' elections. Palestinians in East Jerusalem are Israeli residents - a decision made by Israel. So yes, they have a lot of privileges that come with that status. That doesn't mean that they are no longer Palestinians or no longer should be able to vote in Palestinian elections. The fact that they do so does not undermine Israel's control over all of Jerusalem. In the US, during the recent Iraqi elections, the Iraqi government set up voting places in hotels and other buildings in several locations in the US -- so let the Palestinians vote for God's sake!
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24. TO #22 Britain caused this conflict
The British Mandate allows Jews to have Jerusalem as its capitol. The British left the land a mess and Jews had to build Jerusalem. The British placed restrictions on Jewish land purchases in the remaining land, directly contradicting the provision of the Mandate which said "the Administration of Palestine... shall encourage, in cooperation with the Jewish Agency
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25. alaqusa to the moslems
befor the israili ocupation mainly in these days all moslems from madda to jerusalem to complete their haj ...now the question do israil open the borders for moblems to come to alaqusa ,,,,,pa w[ll do
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26. Arabs in Jerusalem
How much rightds were Jews given in Jerusalem when Jodran conquered it? That's how much rights the Arabs who remnained there when Israel liberated it. United Jerusalem is the capital of Israel now and forever more. Foreign squatters should be evicted. If they want to go to go to land which Israel has given over to the Arabs ok otherwise they can go to Egypt, Syria, Jordan or any place which will let them in. Otherwise, if they insist on remaining then they must accept the fact that they are living in Israel and must abide by its laws.
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27. to #23 Lee
Yes residents of countries do vote in other elections BUT and it is a big but the host nation does not have to give them a place to vote for other elections. When was the last time the UNited States gave resident aliens a place to vote for say Mexico or Canada, or England or any other place. If the alien wants to go back home and vote the US will not hold him but then see if the US allows them to come back. This is true of every sovereign nation. This is just a ruse to make it look like Jerusalem is not accepted as the capital of Israel and unfortunately the US does not despite the fact that both Clinton and Bush had in their platforms that they would move the embassy to Jerusalem in accordance with Congress passed a bill to that effect. Apparently our anti semitic State Department is stronger than Presidents, Senators or Congressmen.
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28. To #20: Palestinians did not descend from the Moon
Dear Shai:
Thanks for your response. As a matter of fact, most Palestinians and Lebanese have their origins to the Phonician Cannanite Erra. The origin of the word Palestine is true as you have suggested. But it is also true that the latest arab immigration to the Holy Land in the seventh century was not based on ethnic cleansing. They did not do what the Crusader tried to do. They left the Churches of the Cannanite chrsitians intact.
The arabs of the Sham area, Syria +Jordan+PAlestine and Lebanon, are all in one way or another are related.
Now, we are not trying to reverse history, becuase populations drift here and there. No one should undo history cause it is redicuolous.
What concerns me and others is that the zionist movement is trying to use the Jewish faith to undo history.
As to the language of Cannanite. Me and you know that the origins of most name in the Holy land, like Bet shan, beth lehem, Jaffa, etc... these are originally Cannanites words.
The hebrew language currently used is not as pure as it should be. It contains much of words borrowed from other languages. However, there are still many words in Hebrew an arabic that are very much the same. numbers, pronouns, etc.
These are also the same as the ones used by the Cannanites.
The Palestinian population in the west bank, gaza, and the Gallilee, negev, and in refugeee camps in the middle east did not descend from the MOON or the SUN. They are a continuation of large ethnic groups that have populated the Holy Land. The main contributor to their blood, is the Cannanite/Phoneicians, Greeks, Isrealits, and 7th Century immigrants from Arabia.
This is it. Those who claim tha the word Palestinians is originally ment to be Jewish is false. Palestine referse to a Land on which Christians Muslims and Jews lived. for many centuries, the Palestinians in Europe were mainly the JEws. Therefore, one way Jews presnted themsevles in Europe for centuries is as Palestinians.
In the middle east, the word palestinians meant an inhabitant of south west Cannan. It has been used in ancient Arabic literature as that.
Regards
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29. no real problem here
Why not be Israeli residents and Palestinian citizens? Like many Europeans who live across the border from where they work, and do not have to change citizenship. E Jerusalemites have not proven a source of bombers or Hamasniks (yet!). Let's have more such crossovers in the region, not less.
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30. To 28
Provide sources, recognized proof, of what you say regarding Arab descendancy from Caananites. I see and have seen no evidence of it except for some crackpot theories that have been thoroughly debunked.
How can it be that the Jews followed the Canaanites, and for centuries upon centuries nobody could point to a single Canaanite settlement in Israel, and in the interim no Arabs living here offered to be anything other than Arab, and SUDDENLY, when it comes time to trump Jewish claims to this land, the Canaanites come jumping out of the woodwork!
Why not just say the truth, and that's you're Ishmaelites, who WERE here in the form of Nabateans (proto Beduin) in the Negev south of Beer Sheva? But NOT in Judea and Samaria!
The fact is that there were some Arabs who came here in the 700's no doubt - with the victorious armies of Islam, that took over Arabia and the Mediterranean rim. Who was there before? Canaanites? They'd been out of the picture for more than 2000 years by then!!!!
Also, if being in a place since the year 700 was justification for a Palestinian state, a point I made that you left unanswered, there'd be dozens of Jewish states throughout southwest Asia, north Africa and Europe. Take Iraq, for example, where Jews were full members of society 1000 years before Mohammed. Or Persia, where the reign of Queen Esther is recalled in the Purim Megillah.
WHere do you think we went after most of us were exiled, the MOON, or the SUN?
No, just as our presence since the exile in other lands was never accepted as justification for offering my People sovereignty, on land we admit wasn't ours, you can't claim it either.
True, I can't rightfully take what you have a deed to, but if you don't have a deed, the land is fair game. If you do have a deed, I'll try to buy the land from you. I don't see Arabs as having NATIONAL rights here.
And, don't reinvent history regarding how pleasant things were during the Muslim rule for Christians and Jews. You're creating a myth no less false than the one with the Canaanite connection.
First of all, we were members of many Arab societies well before there were Muslims. And, yes, there were times that things were good, especially during the golden years of Islam when scholarship was highly valued and the Arabs developed algebra, astronomy and other natural sciences. But that period was only a couple centuries along a time line of much longer, and as you know, the Arab culture floundered as Western Europe flourished after the Renaissance.
But the general pattern amongst Muslims, while it wasn't marked by the hate that comes from Deicide myths that Christians propogated, was one of required subservience, obeysance and occasional violence in many Arab societies. A writing by the great scholar Maimonides (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon) in his Letters to Yemen discusses some pretty difficult periods for Jews in Muslim lands. It struck me how under Shia rule, it was especially touch and go. But from what he wrote, there is no impression I would have gotten that life under the Muslims resembled anything like what you described, unless you were a Muslim of course.
And as far as the names of the places, first of all, even in the Torah places had names before the Jews came there. Some names evolved with time, too. But none of that suggests Arabs belong here more than Jews.
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