come on.... how much worse can it get... If they try a full scale war we will anhilate them... it only bodes well for us.

Behind Hamas' back, Mahmoud Abbas suddenly starts talking hard. Does he want negotiations with a neighbour and a partner or he expects Israel to accept palestinians' conditions without being recognized? It is sure that after 10 years of lies and unfounded hopes their sons will be disappointed to stay within the borders allocated them by Israel. From the cradle Palestinians cultivated in their children hatred and unjustified claims. At the moment when their promises to take over this land are evaporating before Israel's unilateral withdrawal, they will have to explain their children that their wishful thinking had nothing of reality. Of course there will be continuous violence from which they will suffer the most, unless the Palestinian leaders revise their positions and start not only considering the reality themselves, but educate their people according to the history, law and common sense.

THIS IS TOO SILLY FOR WORDS NO OFFICIAL FROM HAMAS HAS RECONISED ISRAEL. SO HOW ARE DISSCUSIONS SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE,THAY ARE ASSUMING THAT OLMER WILL DO THIS AND THAT, BUT THEIR HAS BEEN NO DISAGREEMENTS OR AGREEMENTS......... BUT ISRAEL WILL CAUSE THE WAR...........HOW COME IN MOST COUNTRIES MORONS MANAGE TO GET INTO GOVERNMENT, YOU MUST THINK THE WORLD IS GULLABLE A THE PALESTINANS TO PUT OUT THIS NONSENCE.I WOULD NOT LIKE TO LIVE SO CLOSE TO PEOPLE THAT ARE SO EASY TO WORK UP INTO A FRENZIE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DRAW A CARTOON OR SAY WOMAN SHOULD BE PROTECTED FROM THERE FAMILIES AND YOUR DEAD MEAT . GOOD LUCK IN TRYING TO MAKE PEACE WITH THEM BUT I WOULDNT HOLD MY BREATH IF I WERE YOU

unilateralism by definition doesn't lead to peace which has to be mutually agreed. Having said that, unfortunately, with the hamas, I don't see any other way than this one. But it won't stop the violence.

12 years after the Oslo Peace plan was signed Israel and the Palestinians are not closer to peace. Bill Clinton couldn't deliver. After all the agreements and promises and the new and 'improved' Road Map ,Israel is even farther from peace with her neighbors. King George can't deliver on his peace plan and not even Ex.PM Sharon's ethnic cleansing of Gaza and handing it over to the Palestinians has brought Israel closer to peace. Not even Peace Now's desperate efforts nor all the hair brained appeasments of the left have worked. Israel is loking in the wrong direction for peace. At this time they are vertically challenged and continue to bang their heads against the same dead end wall. Eventually the wall of lies and false peace agreements will come crashng down and Israel will awaken from it's delusion of peace before victory and remove the memory of the Filistin forever. Something they should have done long ago.

unfortunately, it's difficult to discuss with extremists who will never change position. As we could see these last days, some hamas' officials declared "confidentially" about a solution with 2 states, but deny it in public. Since Cheich Yassine's death, they don't have any charismatic leader who could speak in the name of all palestinian people. Even threatened by financial sanctions, they still maintain position, and are ready to sacrify their people to starvation, better than changing positions. I thought they were elected for providing a better life for their people? That's the way where extremism leads!

hamas we can f-Ck you

we don't ask you how to set the boarders on our land. either u live with it or you die with it.

but if you, it means WAR! Typical pal logic. All the palestinians are interested in is war - it is their culture, their mindset and their very essence. Without it, they would have no reason for being

In the 30s, they said that the jews love money. You say that the palestinians love war.It is the same primitive generalisation about all a population. You should meet some real palestinians : they are human beings...

I have met 'real' palestinians; I have associated with 'real' palestinians. As proof of my comments, one need look no further than their recent elections where they FREELY chose a government of terrorism; one need only look at the day to day comments from their FREELY elected government calling for the destruction of the Jewish State; and one only need look at every response when Israel offers further concessions - a call for war on the part of the palestinians. With the palestinians own comments - I rest my case.

what in reality and who in reality is Peace Now - They have nothing to do with Peace - never had never will Peace Now is directly interconnected with ISM , AL-Awda ( Palestine Right to Return ) - Jews for Justice - Gush Shalom - and many other groups. Their aim is to help Islamists to destroy Israel under the guise of non-violence - Their idea is a one state solution - Destroy Israel via demography - a Palestinian State. They want the security fence be removed - and Israel's security removed. The constant terrorism against Israel does not seem to bother them. They are aiding and abating the enemy. Now Marcel - stop posting crap when you have NO clue who the organizations are you mention

collective vote....... Don't call people who see facts - Racists It is reality and if you think otherwise then you are either part of Peace Now - Gush Shalom - and the connection to AL-Awda If not .. then don't tell us what the collective of Pali Arabs look like Reality proves you wrong

do not forget ln 58 years we wln you lose You are golng to lose untlL foRevEr ...

Chai, you are the most logical person on this forum. Gabrielle, you concentrate all your efforts on propaganda against he palestinians. You can do much more positive. Do either of you have a vision on how to reach a peaceful settlement in this conflict ? Does the continued loss of life on both sides concern you to the point that you want it stopped ? Most of what I read is exchange of accusations, trivial historic claims by both sides, vulgar comments...etc. Doesb't anyone have anything creative to offer that may save a life or many lives ??

You are correct on Oslo War that Rabin-Peres-Arafat-Beilin started in 1993. But soon will be much worse, much worse. If Olmert orders to expel Jews then all Arabs bewill begin sending missiles into Tel Aviv and Haifa and instead of 50-100 killed a year, mainly Jews from Yehuda and Shemron, 1000 a year residents of central Israel will be killed.

why they continue to want to be losers in a war with israel is a mystery to me.

they are human beings... WHO SUPPORT TERRORISM!

45 per cent of palestinians - a minority - voted for hamas. All the commentators, including on the right, say they did so for protesting against the corruption of the fatah. Again, I simply ask you to avoid slogans which are confortable but miss the reality. Use your brains not your guts!

Reality: You obviously have not read many of the factual postings that Arabs via their brainwashed society shouts down In the same fashion as Goebbels did during the Nazi times Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minister said: "a lie, repeated often and forcibly, gains the legitimacy of truth." This is what the Arabs build their case on. It is their favorite literature today in Arab society - the Book from Hitler - Mein Kampf - and their entire society still builds their case on same. Going back to: The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection - Anti-Semitism and Holocaust These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden. ... http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/arabnazi.html This is still what Arabs refer to - The Final Solution - for their aim of the destruction of Israel The Hamas spells it out daily at this very moment. There are no trivial claims by Israel, but facts that Israel will not expire no matter how much the Arabs over the past more than 70 years have tried and still try Here is the chances the Arabs missed each time: They never missed a chance to miss another chance: This is a past survey - which in fact still reflects the current situation http://www.infoisrael.net/cgi-local/text.pl?source=3/b/261120021 When the Arabs say end of occupation - what do they really mean: http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/slideshowimages/slide1.html There is a Solution to the Middle East conflict: http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/slideshowimages/slide_1.html

Hitler received only 43.9% of votes in 1933 elections that brought Nazis to power, less than Hamas. Very likely the German who pushed your relatives into gas chamber didn't vote for Hitler, if that serves as a consolation for you. Likewise, next terrorist blowing your family in T-A may vote not for Hamas, but for Jihad or Fatah if that will any difference

this exchange is worthwhile is we respect each other even if we disagree. The pontificating lectures, the derogatory comments, the total absence of nuance, the arrogance and the brutal generalisations of this genevian lady are totally contrary to a democratic debate.

bravo for your humane comments. These screaming slogans are boring and the death of the intelligence. Let's try to think together instead of fighting for the high moral ground. The question is not to be right but to do right.

Actually, the Hamas victory was even larger than it seems. Hamas claimed 76 of the 132 parliamentary seats. Fatah, winning only 43. Voter participation was over 80 percent.

thinking. You call facts not democratic - this is a new one They would love you in the conferences and radio debates - you either would run out or hang up the telephone Please don't make us laugh

You can call it what you want ....... Reality: You obviously have not read many of the factual postings that Arabs via their brainwashed society shouts down In the same fashion as Goebbels did during the Nazi times Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minister said: "a lie, repeated often and forcibly, gains the legitimacy of truth." This is what the Arabs build their case on. It is their favorite literature today in Arab society - the Book from Hitler - Mein Kampf - and their entire society still builds their case on same. Going back to: The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection - Anti-Semitism and Holocaust These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden. ... http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/arabnazi.html This is still what Arabs refer to - The Final Solution - for their aim of the destruction of Israel The Hamas spells it out daily at this very moment. There are no trivial claims by Israel, but facts that Israel will not expire no matter how much the Arabs over the past more than 70 years have tried and still try Here is the chances the Arabs missed each time: They never missed a chance to miss another chance: This is a past survey - which in fact still reflects the current situation http://www.infoisrael.net/cgi-local/text.pl?source=3/b/261120021 When the Arabs say end of occupation - what do they really mean: http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/slideshowimages/slide1.html There is a Solution to the Middle East conflict: http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/slideshowimages/slide_1.html

You make a highflying false statement ........... .....pontificating lectures, the derogatory comments, the total absence of nuance, the arrogance and the brutal generalisations of this genevian lady are totally contrary to a democratic debate. ............ explain what reality and facts have to do with mutual respect or derogatory means ....arrogance or what else you call it Now in return you are exactly doing what you claim others do .... by total arrogance on your part ........ please ...when WE have pointed out just as such FACTS: Reality: You obviously have not read many of the factual postings that Arabs via their brainwashed society shouts down In the same fashion as Goebbels did during the Nazi times Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minister said: "a lie, repeated often and forcibly, gains the legitimacy of truth." This is what the Arabs build their case on. This is a Fact . established since history and Islamic/ Nazi behavior Their favorite literature today in Arab society - the Book from Hitler - Mein Kampf - and their entire society still builds their case on same. Going back to: The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection - Anti-Semitism and Holocaust These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden. ... http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/arabnazi.html This is still what Arabs refer to - The Final Solution - for their aim of the destruction of Israel The Hamas spells it out daily at this very moment. There are no trivial claims by Israel, but facts that Israel will not expire no matter how much the Arabs over the past more than 70 years have tried and still try Here is the chances the Arabs missed each time: They never missed a chance to miss another chance: This is a past survey - which in fact still reflects the current situation http://www.infoisrael.net/cgi-local/text.pl?source=3/b/261120021 When the Arabs say end of occupation - what do they really mean: http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/slideshowimages/slide1.html There is a Solution to the Middle East conflict: http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/slideshowimages/slide_1.html Now get off your high horse believing you have the moral slickness ingested

yes, give the Palestinians their own state, East Jerusalem, dismantle all the illigal settlements...but don't let al those millions so called Palestinians return....won't help the Palestinians, they couldn't handle all these people...personally i would like to give them all of jerusalem and trade it for Gaza....I prefer the beach :)

we have your kind on the radio - The Left as they breath and live