Until the Palestinians decide to accomplish other than murder, Somalia will be a minor league duplicate of the Palestinian lands. The psychopathic govt. and allies of the Hamas/Fatah axis have only two aims: !. Destroy Israel and commit another Holocaust against the Jews. 2. Establish a Taliban-like State run by the Mullahs. To them, control of gangs such as the Fatah and PFLP and Islamic Jihad will either be incorporated into the SS of Hamas or destroyed like the SA was under Hitler.

Alex, you were doing so well until you pulled out a State Department "let's be balanced" script and started complaining about the Zionists and the Israelis. I am hardly in the position of knowing how much spying goes on, but I am pretty sure that Israel neither bombs nor kills Americans, and I am equally sure that Americans do not bomb or kill Israelis. What conspiracy rags have you been reading? I agree that if feeding "Palestinian" moppets is in the American national interest, America should feed the moppets. And if it is in the Israeli national interest to compensate for American largesse by shutting down, say, electricity to the Pals, Israel should so do. And if it is in the American interest to start voting for anti-Israel Security Council resolutions, it should do so. And if it is in the Israeli interest to shut down all human intelligence information that Israel transfers to the US (as well as all the training that Israel provides), it should do so. And if it is in the US interest to stop all military aid to Israel, it should do so. And if it is in the Israeli interest to reject US military aid, develop a new generation of fighters, and sell to the Chinese (along with drones), it should do so. And when a million Americans die because the A-ribs successfully attacked when they would have been stopped by Israeli experience with Arab terror, you will not need a conspiracy theory web site to learn of the consequences. I am a proud American, and I am not at all confused about my loyalties. Nor am I shy about advancing American interests. I do not think a Pal state is in American interest. I do not think that a fawning Israeli PM that expels Jews and replaces them with Arabs is in the American interest. And I certainly don't think that a Jewish state that survives and finally concludes that American arrogance has cost Israel dearly is in the American interest. And I am emphatically sure that an Israel that is attacked and launches nuclear weapons to destroy everything in the Levant and the Persian Gulf is not in American interests. But heck. I'm just a Zionist, huh?

.. Why did they not create Palestine before 1967?Every day/night in those years FEDAYEEN used to raid ISRAEL...Why didnt Pals demand a state from Egypt and Jordan? Why didnt you start a state with East Jerusalem and 100% of the West Bank? ANSWER:Pals dont want to build Palestine, only destroy Israel.Then turn both into Somalia for the People and Swiss Banks for the "politicians"

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now realize that - Food is not dished out free of charge - you want a State - work for it - stop terrorism The way you are moving - all you get is missiles raining down onto you - until you understand that terrorism is illegal

up over you - the sky will fall on you So wake up Israel has not yet lifted their entire force - don't try to find out

Gaza - blow each other up - do it fast that's all you are good for - see what brains you got - None

countries We now have started to sue - for our taxes being used for such - It is illegal to fund terrorism - don't you get it ? Why don't you let them use your money The majority voted for Terror - and still does - you don't pay terrorists

What conspiracy stuff do your read ?

If I chose my word wrong and you can suggest a better, I shall adopt it. I think you misread my intent. I did not mean to indict ALL Zionists. I have great sympathy with the notion that history proves that Jews need an insurance policy, nor do I find the British government's decision to take some of what they conquered from the Ottomans and give it to the Zionists morally or politically unreasonable. If the Arabs want to complain about losing Palestine, they should address their complaints to Ankara because they lost title centuries ago. It is also perfectly Ok with me that most Israelis despise the US. I just think Americans are stupid to be so misled about propaganda about our "loyal Israeli allies." Nor do I for a second believe that any higher percentage of American Jews are confused about their loyalty to the US than the percentage in any other religious or ethnic group, say Irish Americans or Italian Americans or American Catholics. But much of what I read at this site is quite obviously written by Zionists. So I do not feel it is inappropriate to say that BASED ON THE EVIDENCE OF THIS VERY SITE I see comments by Zionists suggesting that it is desirable to let children starve, to exile people based on their religion or ethnic background, to justify killing and exile on the grounds that the people being exiled have defective DNA and so are untermenschen, that the US is an anti-Semitic country conspiring in genocide, etc. Can you deny that, or do you not read these talkbacks?

I suggest you read even an Israeli history. If it is honest, it will tell of the Lavon Affair, a deliberate plot by the Israeli government to bomb American libraries and theaters. If it is honest, it will tell of repeated attacks, with bombs and machine guns against the USS Liberty, with those already dead and those still dying and bleeding into the water shot again and again at the direct order of that great peacemaker Rabin. The Israeli government has a known history of targeting Americans. Mainly goyim of course. They do not count.

context issues - shows your Hate so I could therefore also take issues out of context - and insist Americans bombed us Jews - Yes right in Berlin - you bombed also Jews there - incl. my own family But my family saw the need for getting rid of Nazis - and did not throw this at you I also could throw at you the American Nazi connection - and further more ask why Americans did not bomb the rails leading into the concentration camp part of my family was transported to - Why also America was in the past during the war seriously Anti-Semitic "America's response to the early stages of the slaughter of European Jews was largely one of indifference," said Eizenstat, who heads the U.S. government team reassessing wartime actions. I am very pro America - have family there - but don't start to dig We can dig too: Excerpts Trading with the Enemy The Nazi - American Money Plot 1933-1949 http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Trading_Enemy_excerpts.html No one thing you need to know - if you don't like Zionists - then you are equal to Anti-Semitism - you cannot have it both ways.

context issues - shows your Hate so I could therefore also take issues out of context - and insist Americans bombed us Jews - Yes right in Berlin - you bombed also Jews there - incl. my own family But my family saw the need for getting rid of Nazis - and did not throw this at you I also could throw at you the American Nazi connection - and further more ask why Americans did not bomb the rails leading into the concentration camp part of my family was transported to - Why also America was in the past during the war seriously Anti-Semitic "America's response to the early stages of the slaughter of European Jews was largely one of indifference," said Eizenstat, who heads the U.S. government team reassessing wartime actions. I am very pro America - have family there - but don't start to dig We can dig too: Excerpts Trading with the Enemy The Nazi - American Money Plot 1933-1949 http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Trading_Enemy_excerpts.html No one thing you need to know - if you don't like Zionists - then you are equal to Anti-Semitism - you cannot have it both ways.

Just proved my point. She asked for facts, got them, and ignored them. Of course she did give a reason why the Israelis hate Americans: in their opinion, Americans were complicit in the Shoah and deserve to be bombed in retailiation. And if failure to support Zionism is the same as anti-Semitism, well that is just too bad. I'll have to suffer from it. First argument I have ever seen that puts a good light on anti-Semitism.

Assuming that it is in the American interest to support Israel, an argument that you merely assert rather than demonstrate, then it is in the American interest to support ONLY an Israel that is compatible with American interests. That is not arrogance, but realism. Nor do I see how a US policy that is basically supportive of what an elected government of Israel is basically proposing, establishment of a defensible and defended border on a unilateral basis if the Pals do not stop terror, can be construed as arrogant. Kadima and Labor basically just won the Israeli vote on that basis, and any differences between that policy and what the US is proposing are minor. If anyone is being arrogant it is the Americans and other non-Israelis who come here and rail against Kadima and Labor, whom the Israelis themselves chose.

bombing Berlin amd my family. My sister lost half her eye-sight since the Bunker we were sitting in got a full hit - and we were buried You started the subject about insiting Israel bombs americans so you want to have the right to post diatribes - and when we post facts back - Oy - it is a diatribe - Gee are YOU a Hater: MARTIN LUTHER KING ON ZIONISM "... You declare, my friend; that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist'. And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of G-d's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- this is G-d's own truth. "Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so.

Let all the Israeli agression against the US go already!!! You keep talking about incidents that occured years and years ago. Israelis love the US as a nation. Maybe the gov'ts dont' always agree, but the people are the same.

go to the past - we Jews can also go to the past - esp. The times when we Jews were NOT welcome into the USA - like my family - we were left behind with Germans in Berlin - and the Holocaust - and you know the rest - others which had managed to get on the Ship to the USA - were send back by the US - back into death.......etc... So Alex needs to stop making us look like the trash Jews and Israel trash - but the US like the angels who save the world I am very pro American - Lived 16 years in the US - have family there - and support America all the way esp. against the EU and their Anti- America habits But Alex needs to see the American facts as well and not insisting we bobm Americans - this is a typical Anti-Semitism - as he also rants against Zionists - and we all know - being anti Zionist - is being in truth Anti-Semitic I posted the facts to him with that past - because I get the impression of serious Hate against us

And whining. Too bad she can't take some of her own advise and repeating her sad song, as if we haven't heard it enough. You're SO mistreated.

go and visit any Holocaust museum we are NOT whining - we just put the facts out - you only put Hate out so find yourself some buddies on a website that loves Hate Mongers of your kind - Hamas websites and Arab ones Mamzer

For one like you, and the others who think like you, I pray the day will come when you have a state. You are the solution.

That's exactly what Ahmed was saying. He gets the point.

As always you make a cogent point: the USS Liberty and the Lavon affair happened many years ago; that does not necessarily mean that those episodes reflect Israeli feelings today. Absolutely right. But what I see on this site is constant, rampant anti-Americanism. Not of course from everyone, but from the huge majority. That persuades me that the leopard has not changed its spots. Perhaps I am wrong, but I must believe the daily evidence put in front of me. Before someone says that no one is obligated to like Americans, I concede the point. Hating Americans is almost a global sport after all. The Israelis have a perfect right to join the mob. If American bombs blinded GG's sister, I understand her animus without believing for a second her protestations that she just LOVES Americans. But in response I am entitled to dislike those who dislike me and mine and to work to disabuse my fellow countrymen of the propaganda that they are fed.

israelnationalnews Not One More Dime for the Palestinians by Lee Kaplan Mar 15, '06 ...Hamas has been regarded as separate from Fatah and the PLO, but both terrorist organizations signed an agreement in 1996 agreeing to work together, making Hamas a de facto part of the PLO. The "right of return" is a non-negotiable theme that maintains these refugees can never be assimilated into the Arab world. ...The PLO became a big business during those years, renting itself out to the Soviet Union and KGB and allying itself to revolutionary causes from the IRA to the Basque Separatist Movement to Castro's Cuba by providing training by its military wing. The PLO also went into legitimate businesses. By the 1970s, the PLO established SAMED, an Arabic acronym for Palestinian Martyr's Sons Enterprises. SAMED is actually a worldwide conglomerate swimming in money. Its portfolio includes farms, restaurants, retail stores, factories and even oil refineries. It holds real estate investments in France, Spain and England, and owns several newspapers. It even has controlling interest in a Monte Carlo radio station. The portfolio also includes large amounts of money invested in Wall Street and in stock exchanges in Tokyo, Paris and Frankfurt, including a large share of Mercedes Benz. Airlines in the Maldives, Caledonia, Zimbabwe, Kenya and Nicaragua, and duty free shops all over Africa are also in the portfolio, since they serve as covers for moving terrorists around and providing them travel documents - all while turning a profit. Mandatory tithing to Arafat by Palestinians living in other Arab states generated some $50 million dollars a year, while the Saudis and Gulf States donated billions of dollars to the PLO. Intelligence agencies have estimated that the PLO added $5 million dollars per day to its coffers during the 1970s and '80s, and British National Criminal Intelligence Services in 1994 estimated the PLO's net worth at $10 billion dollars. Besides SAMED, the Palestine Commercial Services Company today has a monopoly in flour, cement, cigarettes, oil and construction material in the Palestinian Authority. The Palestine Development and Investment Company (PADICO) controls 93% of all investments in the emerging "State of Palestine". The PLO even expanded its operations to the illicit drug trade. Other illegal enterprises included counterfeiting US currency, money laundering, arms smuggling, murders for hire and even bank robberies. The Guinness Book of World Records estimated PLO-organized bank robberies in Europe netted in excess of 100 million dollars. ...Direct aid and funds through non-governmental organizations exceeding at least $125 million a month, for only 3.2 million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, came from the US, the EU and the Arab League (that only gives nominally). This doesn't include millions in UN funds for UNWRA, the United Nations Welfare Relief Agency, that is run not by the UN, but by the Palestinians themselves. UN aid estimates that Palestinians received $300 a year per person in handouts as "refugees", the highest figure given any refugees in the world. ...terrorists in the Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigade were being paid $50,000 a year; a salary many Americans would love to make, but a fortune in the Middle East, where $800 a month is considered a good income. Edward Abington, the former US state department consul general in Jerusalem, went to work for the PLO as their chief lobbyist in Washington at a salary of 2.5 million dollars annually. This, right after he agreed, in his former capacity, to donate 400 million dollars of USAID taxpayer money to the Palestinian Authority. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=6093