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Religious leaders face off on marriage amendment
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Published: 27.05.06, 10:54
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1. Now please Ynet, Why such a picture?
Enosho   (05.27.06)
Ynet please remove this picture. We get the point anyway. Nor we nor our children want to see a preview of sodom & gomorra.
2. What's next?
(05.27.06)
If gays should have their rights protected, why not also pedophiles? They have civil rights, too.
3. # 1 and 2
Tal ,   TLV   (05.27.06)
1- Yes Ynet, why do u show such a picture, why do u show any tolerance to homosexuals? Please, only show pictures od death and violence. Would that be better for u and ur children #1? 2- Homosexuals are not sick people, we are consenting adults, not child molestors. please, look for stronger arguments or shut up.
4. 3
(05.27.06)
If the child consents, why should that be a problem or even against the law? Do children have no civil rights? If they live with abusive parents, or are forced to live in foster care, and hate it, I guess that's too bad because they are not old enough to be able to make responsible decisions about their own lives. Right? So, in other words, children are property to posess until they are 16, 18, or whatever it is, right? At what point to children have the freedom to choose their own happiness? Do state courts decide? Based on WHAT? Maybe the courts should decide that if children should be able to have sex with whomever they wish as long as they sign a consent form or be interviewed to see that they are not being manipulated into anything pedophilia would be allowed, right? Why not? Does something magically happen when they have a birthday and become the age of a "consenting adult" that they could then (legally) sleep with whomever they want? What is the answer?
5. Gay sex
Dan Ruck ,   Taylors, SC   (05.27.06)
Why is it always sex between two men that gets straights heated up? Why don't they object just as strongly to girl-on-girl sex? That is just as prevalent, but you never hear the soccer mommies wailing about lesbians. I think it is time the dykes got their share of abuse.
6. to #3 and #5
eNosho   (05.27.06)
#3 How does a pictures of death and violence look like? have you ever seen any picture of disjointed body parts of human being in any respectful news media so far? Now maybe it shows some injured people, but nothing unpleasent. Tolerance to homosexuals? I think Ynet is a news agency, not PlayBoy or sodom & gomorra magazine. (or maybe Iam wrong?, what do i know what Ynet have for plans) #5 Iam against all kind of filth on news pages. Whether Lesbians, Gays and Sexuality of any kind.
7. What GOD says about this
Bon ,   USA   (05.27.06)
The GOD of Israel who is also the GOD of the Holy Bible has spoken about this lifestyle as shown in the following texts in the Holy Bible: Genesis 19:4-12 Genesis 19:23-28 Leviticus 18:22 Leviticus 20:13 1Kings 14:24 1Kings 15:11-12 1Kings 22:41-46 2Kings 23:7 Romans 1:26-27 1Corinthians 6:9-10 2 Peter 2:6 Jude 1:7
8. Bon , USA
(05.27.06)
if you don'r like gays n lesbians, you can say so..... why hide behind G'D ?
9. #4, It's a good thing you didn't list your name...
Jeremiah ,   Israel   (05.27.06)
You should have to register with the athorities and you shouldn't be able to be around kids.
10. So Ynet you censor things you don't agree with huh?
Jeremiah ,   Israel   (05.27.06)
There wasn't anything in my talkback that wasn't previously raised in others. So you censored it because you take the opposing side. Freedom of speech is like Bigfoot in Israeli media... rarely seen.
11. #1
The Golem ,   Los Angeles   (05.27.06)
Enosho, you don't want your children to see two guys kissing? We ARE your children.
12. #1 - Because its a picture of a gay wedding..duh!
Andy   (05.27.06)
13. #8 WHY HIDE BEHIND GOD
yoni ,   jerusalem, israel   (05.28.06)
The reason hy we are all hiding behind God on this issue is because it is a matter of morality. There has never been a society to agree on morality and decide to set it in stone as "objective" some societies allow murder in specific ways and others allow rape. If you think abuse to others is objectively wrong take incest as an example. Who is to decide there is anything wrong? we as humans can only decide what we want or feel is ok at that moment in time we cannot decide whether homosexuality is right or wrong. Is morality only a matter of what the in thing to do is in todays day and age??? is there no real right and wrong in the world? will it be ok once again to gladiate for fun and murder for entertainment? how about pedophilia in rome? when will we recognise that God MUST be in the picture of morality?????????????????????
14. #2, #7
sk ,   USA   (05.28.06)
#2: You say "If gays should have their rights protected, why not also pedophiles? They have civil rights, too." What a dumb nonsequitor. You might also ask, "if gay should have their rights protected, why not also arsonists and muggers"? Well, the distinction is that pedophiles, arsonists, and muggers share in common that they ATTACK others, in their persons or their property. Do you get it now? #7: I don't agree that the G-d of Israel is the GOD of the "Holy Bible"; the G-d of Israel is the G-d of the Tanakh. Anyway, the idea that your (Tanakh) references have anything to do with the 20th century understanding of a "gay identity" or a "gay lifestyle" is absurd. If such "texts" were so transparent, we wouldn't need libaries full of commentary. Actually, come to think of it, the whole idea of a "Christian" is the biggest abomination, as it is to be found, of course, nowhere in the Tanakh.
15. 7, whos peter? is he gay to?
(05.28.06)
16. #13 why hide
tasc   (05.28.06)
you're hiding behind god only because of your sickness. you're living in a world of primitive ideas invented thousand years ago, which have nothing in common with the reality. if you think about yourself as 'only a human' than you're less than a human. if you cannot decide for youself, than don't waste our time in demagogic talks.
17. 14
(05.28.06)
There are several instances in America where school teachers have had relationships with the students, some in their early teens. In some cases the children were willing, and even wanted to continue the relationship after the teacher came out of jail. These teachers clearly have major problems, but there was no attack involved. Do the children have a right to make their own choices? If so, why not give pedophiles rights as gays? If it's good for one group it should be good for the others. My point is that if you give gays legal rights, then you will will eventually have to give the same rights to those who will claim the same legal protection to sleep with whomever (or even whatever) they wish. I, personally, do not want our society to go down that road - there will be no benefit from it.
18. 1, 2, 4, 6 ALL OF YOU
Ron   (05.28.06)
How DARE you judge these people? Who the hell do you think you are? Why is a picture of two guys kissing considered by you to be so sick and distorted? Who are you to compare innocent homosexuals to pedophiles and child molesters? I think I have the answer to this one: You're all probably just a bunch of religious Jews who know nothing about modern society. Can't you see that your so called "moral" bible and your imaginary friend you call a god are no longer relevant to today's 21'st century society? There are so many things your religion cannot explain and that's why your primitive minds refuse to realise that not everything is according to what the book says. How do homosexuals harm you? I really don't see why they should be treated differently than other people, maybe it's just your superficial perception of the world and your fear of anything that's not like you or not like what you were taught in your sick Jewish society. GET OVER YOURSELVES!
19. 18 - how dare WHO "judge these people"?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (05.28.06)
you say: "You're all probably just a bunch of religious Jews and maybe it's just your superficial perception of the world" and "your so called "moral" bible and your imaginary friend you call a god" and "your fear of anything that's not like you or not like what you were taught in your sick Jewish society" isn't that, by definition, judging? how dare YOU?
20. The right to decide belongs to theStates, not Federal govt
Karen R ,   Maryland   (05.28.06)
As a US citizen who has taken the trouble to find out a little about US government, I think that in cases involving personal status like marriage, divorce, child custody, etc., the right to make laws belongs to the individual states, not the Federal government. At least, that seems to be what the Constitution says. The Bill of Rights may also be relevant here, forbidding government intervention in private behavior. In any case, passing laws against what some people believe is immoral when a lot of other people don't agree doesn't solve anything. In the 1920's the US amended the Constitution to forbid alcohol, when a large percentage of the population didn't agree. The only lasting result was the growth of organized crime to provide alcohol. The ones who wanted to drink continued to drink. Eventually another amendment was passed cancelling the original amendment. Passing such an amendment wouldn't have any effect on the behavior involved. Better to let each State deal with the issue in its own way.
21. love...?
Jennifer ,   TLV   (05.28.06)
Why is it so hard to accept 2 people in love regardless of their gender? The fact that so many of you can't get past the actual sex act and to something deeper and more meaniful says a lot about mentality. What ever happened to live and let live, or is this now repress and be repressed?
22. You know
Daniel ,   Provo, USA   (05.28.06)
You all know that homosexuality is wrong. Deep down inside of you, you always have known that you are wrong, but you are rationalizing and making up this so called "arguments" to to justify yourself. and sometimes that u start to believe actually your "arguments".
23. To #3
Joan ,   Haifa   (05.28.06)
YNet doesn't publish pornography -- at least I haven't seen any here. So #1's comment seems quite fair to me.
24. To #9 -- ????????
Jasmin ,   Northern Israel   (05.28.06)
25. To #11
Jasmin ,   Northern Israel   (05.28.06)
So what is your point here? Let's show more pornography to children?
26. #22
tasc   (05.28.06)
You all know that judaism is wrong. Deep down inside you, you always have known that you are wrong, but you are rationalising and making up this so called 'arguments' to justify yourself. and sometime that you start to belive actually your 'arguments'.
27. To #12
Jasmin ,   Northern Israel   (05.28.06)
Generally, wedding photographers don't zoom in on the kiss. Obviously, this photo was used precisely because YNet knew it would provoke controversy.
28. To #18
Jasmin ,   Northern Israel   (05.28.06)
My, aren't you the judgemental one? Furthermore, as I sit here at my computer with its high-speed internet connection -- you know, one of those thousands-of-years-old-irrelevant-to-the-21st-century ones -- the worst insult you can come up with is that I'm a religious Jew? Oooh -- I'm quaking in my sandals!
29. Daniel #22, Jasmin #25
The Golem ,   Los Angeles, USA   (05.29.06)
Daniel, how dare you tell me what I do and do not know. If gay love seems wrong to you, then don't take a gay lover. Jasmin, two men fully clothed is not pornography except in the eye of the beholder. My point is that we gay Jews are getting married and increasingly raising children. Deal with it. Both of you, get over yourselves.
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