31. #15 VIOLENT Opposition to the ANTI-SUICIDE BOMBER Fence
Violent protesters are fully aware the sole reason for the anti-suicide bomber fence is to prevent suicide bombings and terror attacks.
Forcing Jews to wear a yellow star was begun by racist, religious supremacist Arab Muslims and was copied by the Nazis.
Around 1948, one million Jews were violently ethnically cleansed from Arab countries. Arab governments seized the land, homes, businesses and bank accounts of the Jews. Most Jewish refugees fled to Israel where they and their descendants make up fifty percent of the Jewish population.
It is utterly unacceptable to Muslims that Jews have self-rule in the tiny, re-born Jewish state of Israel.
Opininion polls reveal a huge majority of PA Muslims approve of suicide bombings. Thousands of PA Muslims dance in the streets when suicide bombings are perpetrated.
Human bomb killer attacks have made grocery shopping, riding a bus, eating in a restaurant, going to the mall, etc, highly dangerous for Israelis.
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32. # 30 MB
"If the world worked like it does in Jeremiah fantasy land, then practically evey country in the world who has been involved in any conflict in history would have to realign their borders to the way they were prior to that conflict."
Sort of like realigning the borders some 2000 years after a previous conflict? ; )
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33. 1 Larry : All the way with YOU
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34. Facts about the Security Fence:
Visit the official Security-Fence site : http://www.seamzone.mod.gov.il/Pages/ENG/default.htm
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35. 9 Jeremiah: You talk BS - here is why the Fence is there
THE ANTI-TERRORIST FENCE
The anti-terrorist Israel is building does NOT encircle the West Bank, like some people pretend. It just runs along the Israeli border. The West Bank has another border with Jordan.
Palestinian terrorism has forced Israel to build that protective fence.
The international organisation Doctors of the World has qualified the attacks by Palestinian terror organizations against Israelis as "crimes against humanity".
The report also concludes that "the Palestinian Authority cannot deny any responsability, at least because of it's ambiguous attitude towards those groups until now."
The security fence is a passive means to stop Palestinian terrorists from reaching Israeli civilians. The fence does not constitute a border and it's route is not final.
A section of the fence is made up of a cement wall.
But that section is only 7 km long, on a tolal of 170 km ! And it is built on Israeli territory ! It was erected in an area where Palestinian snipers from Kalkilya and Tul Karem fire on cars passing on the Trans-Israel highway.
This type of wall exists on European highways as a sound barrier.
The remaining 163 km of the security fence are made up of an electronic barrier, much like the one already in place around the Gaza Strip, and along the borders with Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.
These fences never stopped the signing of peace accords between Israel and it's neighbours.
Moreover, they can be moved easily and their route has been changed following those accords.
The fence is not an annexation of Palestinian territory.
On the 170-km already built, only 1,6 % of the disputed territories have been affected.
If Israel wanted to annex territories, it would be ridiculous to take such a small area.
Israel has created a compensation fund equivalent to 75-million dollars (Canadian).
This sum is renewable every 5 years.
But the majority of eligible Palestinians do not claim their compensation because of orders issued by the Palestinian Authority forbidding them to do so !
Israel did not want to build a fence, and resisted doing so for more than 35 years.
It is building now because Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the other Palestinian terrorists have left Israel no choice. It is these groups who are to blame for the fence.
Fences can be moved
Human Lives cannot be resurrected once they were murdered
If you don't grab the issue - then it is purely because you HATE that Jews can protect their lives - which equates - you are happy for Jews being murdered
At least be honest about yout intentions
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36. 13 Jeremiah: You are WRONG again - Facts
1) Occupation only applies under International Law - vis-a-vis the territory of another SOVEREIGN STATE....
You can legally only occupy another State that was under different Sovereignty at the time of occupation - which does not apply to the PA Territories since they were not part of any Sovereign State ....
Jordan and Egypt never had annexed any territories to become the sovereign of same, when Israel regained it's territories in a self-defense war.
Therefore Legally
Judea and Samaria (ancient historical Jewish land) are unassigned territories of the British Mandate for Palestine not "occupied territories."
2) Israeli presence in Yesha does not constitute "occupation," and moreover, that the U.N. Partition Resolution of 1947 is a "recommendation" and not obligatory.
"Up until 1948, Judea, Samaria and Gaza were a part of the British Mandate. In the 1948 War of Independence, Egypt illegally grabbed the Gaza Strip, and Jordan took Judea and Samaria, the 'West Bank.'
Egypt did not claim sovereignty in Gaza, but Jordan deigned, in 1950, to annex Judea and Samaria.
This annexation was not recognized by international law. The Arab nations objected to it,
In 1967, after the Six Day War, these territories - which were originally meant for the Jewish Nation's National Home according to the Mandate Charter - returned to Israeli control."
in 1988, King Hussein of Jordan rescinded its legal and administrative ties to Judea and Samaria.
"According to international law,"
"Israel has full right to try to populate the entire Land of Israel with dense Jewish settlement, and thus actualize the principles set by the League of Nations in the original Mandate Charter of San Remo in 1920.
At that time, the mandate to the Land of Israel was granted to the British, and the introduction to the mandate charter states clearly that it is based on the international recognition of the historic ties between the Jewish People and the Land of Israel.
Clause II of that mandate charges Britain with 'ensuring the existence of political, administrative, and economic conditions that will guarantee the establishment of the Jewish national home in the Land of Israel.'"
"Even the White Paper of 1922," emphasized the Jewish Nation's rights to the national home in the Land of Israel - while at the same time tearing away almost 80% of the mandate's area on the eastern side of the Jordan and giving it to Emir Abdullah."
There is nothing in international law that requires a Palestinian state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean - not even the UN Partition Resolution of Nov. 29, 1947.
The fact that the Arab states did not accept the Partition Plan, voids the recommendation of any legal basis.
Resolutions 242 and 338, which call for negotiations and a "withdrawal from territories" (not "withdrawal from THE territories") captured in 1967, are similarly "recommendations."
These resolutions were drawn up under the UN Charter's Clause VI, which deals with non-mandatory recommendations - as opposed to Clause VII resolutions, "which are mandatory, and which deal with a threat to world peace, such as those taken against Iraq."
If by chance you don't understand Intl. Law - you should take a lawyer and file for arbitration and explanations with the T.M.C. Asser Institute on Intl. Law in the Hague.
http://www.asser.nl/index.htm
Good Luck
ALSO:
Israel White Paper –
Israel's Legal Rights to Judea, Samaria, and Gaza
http://www.israelwhitepaper.org/
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37. 15 Ellen Prescott : You are a Hysteric woman your posts show
that you are Nuts
are you suffereing from Hot Flushes ?
Go and see a doctor - for your menopausal symptons
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38. 24 Jeremiah: you post utter Bull Crap
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39. # 37 GG
congratulations.
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40. "Barry" Goldwater
You post your usual hysteria. Hurling insults and claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is either a "Jew hater" or a "self-hating Jew."
And I never said that the wall (the Berlin Wall also was not complete mortar and bricks) encircled Palestinian land. And you say no Palestinian land is taken while in the same breath you say that Palestinian will be taken. Which is it? As for compensation, how about I come and throw you off your land against your will but pay you compensation?
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41. 40 Jeremiah is Speechless so he posts More BS
Wake up you fool - we Jews have been thrown off of our lands - esp. on Arab lands.
Who will give us back our properties in Russia and Poland - we were chased from ...and the lives we lost - I am a Holocaust survivor
You ignore who's land Israel belongs too
You also ignore when Arabs led 3 wars against Israel ...and still terror attacks - and lose EACH single war
It is not the loser who has the choices.
But you ignored the facts that are LEGAL FACTS I POSTED IN POST 35 AND 36
it is legal facts that count NOT your wishful thinking - it is obvious you have an agenda and ignore reality
Another reality:
Resolutions introduced in the U.S. Congress call for any reference to Palestinian refugees to be matched by similar references to Jewish and other refugees.
The number of Jewish refugees from Arab countries far surpasses the number of Palestinians who became refugees in 1948.
http://www.jta.org/page_view_breaking_story.asp?intid=2887&ref=daily_briefing
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42. Bad News for ELLEN coming up -good news for Israel on the
UK - Boycott:
Ellen I told you the other day - don't laugh too early you will be sued.
The Legal actions are ready to go into full ACTIONS now
Here it comes Ellen - Cut and run !!!!!!
In a backlash following this week's vote by the lecturers' union Natfhe to
boycott Israeli academia, grant-giving bodies to be "cut funding, support and contact with any academic who advocates a boycott of Israel."
"Those who seek to damage and discredit their Israeli colleagues with a blacklist must know that there is a price to pay."
Meanwhile Anthony Julius, famous for his representation of Princess Diana and the successful defence of Deborah Lipstadt against David Irving, is acting as solicitor for the boycott's opponents in Britain...
Ellen - we will never sit down and let YOU - get away with Racims - or Anti-Semtism - we have started to employ
The EU Act 13 - that will be used against YOU and your buddies
Ellen: Get your's and Hubbies check-book ready - hope you can morgage your possessions
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43. 15 Ellen: forgot to ask you - You say the entire world
please point out who are those of the entire world - just out of interest
since you always throw big words around
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