Very good Ellen! A source! Now if you had one iota of research experience - you have a doctorate I assume - you will also note that NOTHING in your #27 posting constitutes a logical argument. This expert asserts everything. As you present the quotes, Garlasco offers no evidence to support his claim but suggests it exists somewhere. Hidden with Iraqi WMDs most likely. You really do offer up shoddy workmanship Ellen! I feel so satisfied that you call yourself a professor because I will attack your competence at every turn! Mwah! Thank you.

From today's paper, the IDF expresses regret for the consequences of an attack. Contributors in the talkback did not like that. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3262556,00.html Adam, stop posting on here and go back to sleep.

"An expert working for the Human Rights Watch said the Palestinians' injuries were not consistent with a blast taking place beneath them." 1) What are the qualifications of this so-called "expert"? 2) Human Rights Watch was also in the forefront of blaming Israel for the "Jenin massacre," a massacre that we now know didn't take place.

and it Certainly wasnt the IDF that Sank USS Liberty and Machinegunned those that survived while they tried to swim to safety... This from the most Ethical....lol

Mark Garlasco is not a miltary expert, he has no background in ammunitions, the lab that tested the fragments is not a recognized lab, so you figure. He did work at the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency, but he was a nobody. He is a pacifist, who knows not the truth. Ellen, you are a really stupid, ignorant person, yes there are civilian casualties in all types of conflicts, the casualties we suffer are always ignored, the causes of the casualties are also ignored, and they are really simple, this is our land, no one elses, it has been stolen from us several times, each time we get parts of it back someone else comes along and tries to take it from us. We are not terrorist who teach hate. So Ellen and crew, come live in the Land G-d gave to the children of Abraham and see reality not fiction you see from your TV set.

And the evidence is?

He said that the investigation is ongoing. The investigation thus far has dealt with determining where and when the IDF WAS engaged, and showed that the IDF WASN'T engaged ANYWHERE at that time, or within the last month at that place. "I refuse to believe it" -- exactly Ellen. At last you speak the truth. You don't worry about facts; you simply refuse to believe any fact that does not support your hatred of Israel and Jews and your belief that everything bad in the area is the Jews' fault. Let us wait until forensic pathologists examine the shrapnel from the victims' wounds, eh? It could well turn out to be unexploded ordnance, or it could turn out that HAMAS launched Grad rockets that killed these people, then lied about it as they did when they killed 20 children by accident last year. They blamed THAT on Israel too, but unfortunately for them there were thousands of witnesses who knew better.

Now that it has been Established that the IDF Lies as a matter of Goverment Policy.... we have to guess that ...Anything that might be Harmful to A Superior Ethical Image of Israel....should be Suppressed. So W e should not be too surprised by Minister Amir Peretz as he just follows Israeli Goverment policy

You may refuse to believe anything you want, but the evidence speaks for itself. Your denial is too deeply ingrained. There is medical treatment available for your pathological condition. I suggest you take advantage of it.

site to scream about "injusticed palis"? Doesn't it make more sense this animal to go to an arab one? Its voice would be much better received!

You seem to be refusing to believe in God too, but what does that have to do with reality?

Wheres the crater? This sized shell has been in use since World War II. As described by a British servicemen during the landing at normandy where ships were shooting 155mm shells at the beaches. "The craters created by these shells could fit a car". Now simply to reiterate. Where's the crater? And yet another question. These shells are EXTREMELY powerful, how the hell are people who were completely exposed to the eplosion still in one piece? Why aren't they a huge red splatter on the ground? I want answers to these questions Ellen.

And you obviously believe all the drivel spewed by the BBC because they are the premier British media outlet and are above reproachment. You are pathetic.

Who is this Pentagon analyst Ellen? Do you have any sources? Again, Israel goes above and beyond the call duty to protect its citizens AND the people trying to kill its citizens. Very few people in the world reach the high ethical level Israelis do in protecting their enemies.

2: When innocents die on the scale that they have been murdered by the Israeli military (on average 2 Palestinians per day, every day, since 2000 (That would equate to 200 Americans per day) it is blatantly obvious that it is Israeli policy to murder innocents. Award-winning New York Times journalist Chris Hedges reports that Israeli soldiers 'entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport.' 5; Human Rights Watch. Indeed, once they publish their report I'll e-mail it to you if you let me know your address. 7; Let's refrain from name-calling, shall we? 8: Yes, everyone who is appalled by Israeli policy is a vicious, rabid Jew-hater. 9; Have you a link? I remain open-minded. 11: I am actively involved in several charities on a wide scale of issues. 12: I'm waiting on the official report, but if you provide me your e-mail address I'd be happy to mail it to you once it is available to me. 23: I am not #18. And my ancestors probably never came across very many Jews. 28: Oh yes, the BBC and Human Rights Watch: evil, Jew-hating organisations. Neo-Nazis have got nothing on them! LOL 31; Refer to my previous post. 33; Mr Garlasco is a former Pentagon analyst who is impartial in his findings. There were countless crimes against humanity committed in Jenin by the Israeli military, to deny that would mean you're non compos mentis. 35; Mr Garlasco is a Pentagon (department of defence) analyst. His determinations are impartial and HRW has advocated causes for both the left and right. Calling me names does not do anything but make yourself look bad. And Israeli casualties - which are absolutely tragic - are often highly publicised and there frequently are reports on the lives of the victims. Innocent Palestinians murdered are just a number to the media. Israelis and Palestinians both teach their children to hate. In fact, the racism against Arabs amongst Israeli youth is so strong that the army has had to introduce 'morality training.' I don't disagree that Jews have a claim to Palestine-Israel. But the Palestinians are native to the land and nothing can justify the atrocities being committed against them.

38; Provide me your e-mail address and I'll kindly send you the report. 42: I am not number 18. 44: I am not number 18. And I am agnostic. 45; If you don't remember, the murders took place on a sandy beach. As we all know, due to the wind, sand has a way of moving around. I am waiting on the report from Human Rights Watch, and I also want to wait until the UN is able to conduct an impartial investigation, as Mr Annan has proposed. 46; In my opinion, the BBC is grossly biased towards Israel, an independent investigation found that to be the case. However, in other instances the BBC is the most impartial and respected News service on the planet. And I gladly pay my license fee (I just paid £132 for it) every year. It is very much worth it. The documentaries, programming, radio, and news are unsurpassed. If that makes me pathetic to you, then so be it.

You forgot the Jews murdered Jesus

What a bullshit, all gathered information are even worst, is this how you conduct military intellignce, based on crystal ball, how bethetic for an army that calims humanity and care. Lets then analyze all sucide bombers, any body who died afterwards or by depree reflected by walls wasnt really killed by that person, his tarket was not achieved at time and place planned , therefore he really didnt kill anybody, god knows, other jews might have took the oportunity to kill each others. this rithms perfectly with Peretz analysis.

Why does Israel apologies publicly before any inquiry and allowes the world to bash us, then when we retract and prove that it was not us, it's too late, the damage has been done. The same took place in the begining of the intefada with Israel apologising for the death of the father and son by the wall, then proving that it could not have been our fire. Are we our own worst enemies???

She works for the BBC and I have proof. e-mail me.

No Mr Garlasco is a Pentagon (department of defence) analyst. He used to work at the Pentagon, but no more, his function was a muted analyst, meaning he was a nobody. You think we get angry by your posts, but actually we feel sorry for you. You are a sick twist minded person, who needs help. And how do you get your so called information, have you ever walked in our shoes?

Please post the report on this talk forum for all to see.

There is now a discussion of the hack Garlasco. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21037_Israel_Denies_Beach_Bombing_Human_Rights_Watch_Wants_It_to_Be_True&only

that speaks as it would be something important? What freaking animal is this that gives itself such self-importance? Who is this animal that speaks as it would be the boss of the zoo? Tell us at least which zoo is this!!!

FACTS about ellen 1.hates israel 2supports a terrorist government 3.ellen ihas a IQ of 0 when it comes to reading articels 4.she didnt even link or even post the website she just said

Perhaps you should fulfill Allan's (#56) request and provide us with access to the reports you identify. You have a lot of owning up to do, Miss. See your response in #49. Yet again, you assert everything and offer NO particular logic or evidence to support your arguments. You do this in virtually all your postings. Further, and most heinously, you argue by way of intimidation. You claim the title of "professor" and you drop institutional names like "Human Rights Watch" and "Pentagon" in order to silence people who want to understand the facts of the case! You seek (intentionally or otherwise) to SILENCE rational discussion about issues that concern human life and death. In this sense, you truly represent an anti-Jewish concern. Ellen, you must provide evidence in your further postings. According to the above posts, the people see through whatever opinions you have about Israel or Jews and understand that you have NO factual bases to make any claims whatever. You nag us, in not in a delightfully Yiddish way like many of our mothers. You nag us like a mosquito. You live to draw blood from mankind. You live to spread disease. Now to drain her swampland and rid ourselves of this pest.