News
Gaza blast: Doubt over IDF's version
Ynet
Published: 17.06.06, 11:17
Comment Comment
Print comment Print comment
Back to article
88 Talkbacks for this article
1. Busted
Busted ,   Ramallah   (06.17.06)
The terror commander in the IDF is so screwed up they cannot even lie. They are busted with the facts on the ground. Now they committed 2 crimes - the actual killing and the lie.
2. Bravo to the British press
Ellen Prescott ,   Southsea, Hampshire   (06.17.06)
In Britain, we endeavour for what's right, no matter how unpopular it may be.
3. God bless our grand fathers who did not find Camera
Palestinian refugee   (06.17.06)
to record their genocide! Sooner or Later, Israel will face the justice it awaits!
4. Excellent refutation of IDF lies.
Kevo ,   Miami, USA   (06.17.06)
Kudos to The British Guardian.
5. All Peace loving and morally correct people
MadMax   (06.17.06)
All Peace loving and morally correct people now can write here about their deep humanity, tolerance and love of the Palestinians (genetically more “Jewish” than most of the Jews)… and blame the "British anti-Semites" for bad PR… ;-)
6. Cant trust Guardian or Independant, always anti Israel
lemar ,   uk   (06.17.06)
7. Yet again, This doesn't answer basic questions
Da dude   (06.17.06)
Just the British Press like Ellen throwing mud in hopes that some of it will stick. 1. Where is the crater? These are very powerful explosives. Also this makes me cast more doubt on what the British are saying "Several of the injured had also said that the deadly blast occurred after two or three similar explosions, apparently caused by artillery shells which landed on the beach earlier." First off then there should be multiple or a one VERY LARGE crater. Where is it? This multiple explosions could easily be a mine that was rigged from old explosives, leading to multiple blasts. 2. If they were hit by the shells, why are there bodies still intact? These shells should have made them a stain of red on the beach. Yet as in the video they are completely intact. So I'm waiting for an explanation of these points... Ellen.
8. Beach saga
Simon ,   C-Town, South Africa   (06.17.06)
Did the British send a forensic team to the site to collect evidence ? Everybody is jumping to conclusions, time will tell and the truth will prevail, until then patience is a virtu.(END).
9. Guardian,the paper who is anti-Israel
donsaliman ,   kibbuta Nahal Oz   (06.17.06)
Oh,now let see the guradian,says that it is the Isrealis that are at fault,wow,now who would have thought that! This is a paper that always sides with the Pals,what ever the Pals say is true and Israel there is always a doubt. This paper who features a cartoonist, Steve Bell, who had a cartoon showing Sharon eating the blood of the Pals and has always shows his dislike for Israel, USA and Bush. I take it for what it is worth, a bunch of Bull.
10. The guardian wouldnt have a clue
Daniel ,   Australia   (06.17.06)
Personally i dont know what happened there. Yes, innocent people were killed. That's unfortunate. Who's responsible? Wouldnt have a clue and neither does the Guardian. However, I do know that their are quasams flying into Israel from Gaza on a daily basis and Palestinian homocide bombers have killed many innocent Israelis. Yet, scum like ellen could not care less. People like her are quick to condemn Israel over something like this, where the full facts havent even been brought to light, yet she turns a blind eye to Palestinian terror. Get off your high-horse: "In britain, we endeavour for what's right, no matter how unpopular it may be". Gimme a break. My grandfather helped kill many of your "brave brits" when they were in Palestine. Thanks to people like him, they pissed off from the holy land.
11. A tragedy, but why?
Robby ,   San Jose, USA   (06.17.06)
This is a terrible tragedy. But you still have to wonder why the PA, or Hamas, or whoever is in charge allowed rockets to be fired at Israel from so close to a civilian populated beach? Did they not think Israel would fire back? Are they intentionally using the public as cover?
12. Palestinians lieing about times to fit the facts
(06.17.06)
Always
13. Mad Max: Genetic Jews?
Meir Moses   (06.17.06)
There's no such thing as being 'genetically' Jewish you buffoon.
14. #1,2,3 and 4
Don Saliman ,   Nahal Oz Israel   (06.17.06)
None of you needed this,you have already condemned Israel. #3,Israel asked the Fatah to help with the investgation and they refuded and took all the evidence that might show,Israel is not at fault. Believe me,if it was an Israeli shell,they would have shown it to all the world. They the Pals,showed a flim,seeing the Israeli gunboats firing to the beach,well the flim showing Navy gunboats and what is happening in the beach,are two different flims. I know you don't believe that,because you don't wnat the truth. When Israel is wrong,they admit it,and of course the Pals are always innocent
15. Why not publish the investigative report
PW ,   Tucson, USA   (06.17.06)
Time doesn't prove anything by itself. What of the shrapnel taken from a victim?
16. #7 I already gave my explanation
Ellen Prescott ,   Southsea, Hampshire   (06.17.06)
I just don't care for the Jews
17. Who do u trust more?
Israeli   (06.17.06)
a palestinian testimony or a real video of the IDF showing the time of the ambulances getting to the scene?
18. To Da Dude
(06.17.06)
Maybe they were air burst shells? They explode in air leaving no crater.
19. Are you kidding me????????????
NS ,   Long Island, NY   (06.17.06)
The Guardian? That bastion of objectivity! The reporters at the Guardian wouldn't know what objectivity is if it snuck up and bit them in the asses! Until the PA comes forward with all the evidence to truly independent investigators I will trust the findings of the IDF. Say what you want but the IDF is a military organization that takes orders from democratically elected civilians and not the other way around like the PA and other Arab countries.
20. Meir Moses: "Genetically Jewish"?
MadMax   (06.17.06)
No such things as “genetically Jewish”? Of course, not. That’s why it was mentioned in the inverted comas, my dear genius. I refered to many well known researches that found that the closest “genetical brothers” of the Jews in the Middle East are the Palestinians, which suggests that they are the descendants of the Hebrew tribes that never left the land after the destruction of the Temple. More about some of the researches here: www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4307083-103531,00.html www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/97/12/6769.pdf
21. The first crack in the foundation
Richard Silverstein ,   Seattle, USA   (06.17.06)
One wonders what other flaws the IDF will be forced to admit regrading its report in coming days. And why does it take incontrovertible physical evidence to make the IDF backtrack? Imagine what further damaging information they may be holding back. All I can say is thank God for investigative journalists & a good UN telecommunication system. Guess the IDF may want to consider jamming them in future.
22. For #2, A true islamonazi!
PatriotUSA ,   Redmond, Oregon   (06.17.06)
At least you said it " I just don't care(hate) for the Jews." What a brave show of true racism at its worst, "ellen." The rags that pass for newspapers; the guardian and independent are nothing more than fishwrappers and well known for their anti- Jewish and Israeli positions no matter what the facts may be. Speaking of rags, "ellen" you fit right in.
23. #21
Don Saliman ,   Kibbutz Nahal Oz, Is   (06.17.06)
What investigating ,she took the times and words of the Pals,as the truth and Israel she doubts. Just what would be,if maybe just maybe, the Israellis are telling the truth and the Pals no. What am I thinking,we all know Israel is always blamed,no matter what the truth is.
24. publicity
steven ,   france   (06.17.06)
T,ake a good look at the pic of this young girl.This pic was taken from some hight, maybe from the ambulance roof,to get a better shot?You all saw what a missile damage is ,look at whats left of the car ,that was hit last night..where is this damage on the beach??there should be thousands of body pieces lying all around??,Even the Gaza press stated that the members of Hamas were collecting Debris,before the press and ambulaces arrived..;The Pals are born liers,and they will D;;;lying,in order to save face;
25. air shells?#18
me ,   here   (06.17.06)
WOW now israel is making "Air burst shells???What the hell are they???Do you mean some kind of Nuke..??SHMUCK.
26. Who cares?
Francois ,   Paris & Montréal   (06.17.06)
British Leftists are becoming like Arabs: idiots, liars and dishonest. The British Left has been destroyed at home by Thatcher and moreover by realities, as a consequence, they are impotent at home and are trying to exist abroad as "humanitarian" "fighters". That's why they are supporting Pali scums. What a pity.
27. al Independent
Francois ,   Paris & Montréal   (06.17.06)
Who are al Independent sources? Palestinian accounts of the timing of the explosion which killed seven members of the same family on a Gaza beach have cast doubt on crucial elements of the conclusion of the military investigation which absolved Israel of any responsibility. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1089712.ece Pretending that Arab serial liars are a reliable source of information is totally non professional.
28. The Guardian
(06.17.06)
The Guardian also said that Israel knew of 9/11 in advance and ordered all the Jews in NY not to show up for work, The Guardian also claimed Israel massacred thousands in Jenin, The Guardian is an Anti-Semitic newspaper and a trumpet for Arab/Muslim propoganda, The Guardian is as reliable as "Palestinian sources".
29. Al-Guardian is run by Saudi Arabia.
Daisy ,   USA   (06.17.06)
That inlcudes most of the major newspapers in Britian so who gives a crap what they have to say! As far as the testimonies of Arabs they always lie to make Israel look bad. Everyone should go to MEMRI or Palestinewatch to get the real story on how the Arabs distort the truth and make up lies about Israel. Hamass murdered those Arab children. At the end of the tape shown on CNN a man who was covered by a blanket gets up with a gun. He has absolutely no injuries. Hamass cleaned up the evidence, bombs they planted, on the beach and then directed a crew to film the Arab girl crying. The video was as phony as it gets.
30. #3; You are refugee from Saudi Arabia and should go back!
Palestiniansareamyth ,   USA   (06.17.06)
Next talkbacks
Back to article