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SAUDIS HELP AL QAIDA REGIME IN SOMALIA http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2006/july/07_03_3.html WASHINGTON [MENL] -- The Bush administration has acknowledged that Saudi Arabia was financing the Al Qaida-aligned regime in Somalia. Officials said Saudi Arabia has become a leading financier of the Islamic takeover of Somalia. The so-called Islamic Courts Union, headed by an Al Qaida commander wanted by the United States, has garnered most of its foreign support from Saudi Arabia and Yemen. "I don't want to say the Saudi government is supporting any particular [Islamic] court," Assistant Secretary of State Jendayi Frazer said. "But I do know that there is money coming in from Saudi Arabia." On June 29, Ms. Frazer told the House International Relations Committee that despite U.S. opposition Saudi funding was reaching the Al Qaida-aligned movement in Somalia. She said another U.S. ally, Yemen, has sent weapons to the new Islamic regime in Mogadishu.

It is good to hear from a learned fellow. You say that jihad is for defense only. Why, for 14 centuries, have Islamic armies carried jihad to so many Christian countries? Egypt, Byzantium, Spain, Austria, etc, etc.? More recently, why have hundreds of churches been burned by Jihadis in Nigeria, the Sudan, Indonesia, etc.? Want proof? Go to www.compassdirect.org.

If it were not so serious, it would be funny. British Jihadists complain Hamas is not doing enough. Some Israelis complain Olmert is not doing enough. Some Americans and Israelis say America is not doing enough. Everybody is a critic!

I would expect nothing else from them. What really surprises us here is that these same Islamists are making an Islam Expo in England on the 7th July (7/7) to celebrate the London attacks, and no one in the UK says a thing. - How can anyone worldwide anylonger take the UK seriously as a world power.

.. you don't understand - the festival is a multicultural event, not less important than 7/7 itself. Nobody can ban that festival - because freedom of expression, respect, human rights, and world without cancers like racism, zionism, global warming and islamophobia. Don't even think about banning this glorious celebration - that will be considered as declaration of war, and therefore met with legitimate resistance by all means. Give way to Jihad, Paddy.

Where are you? Why have you not answered my questions about jihad being carried to countries once considered Christian before they were conquered by Islamists? tsk, tsk.

16 Yossi; What about the jews who want to live in a more secular Israel rather than a country dominated by cabbalists? They are called self hating! or from time to time they are told " don t sit on the way!Israel don t need garbage jewish like you"? 28 Annie; try to understand what you read. I am not messanger of the man submitting that post in that forum but if you read news again (please!!till to get something!!) you may get what the post owner tells:He says "..may they face the same fate as Banu Qurayzah!". Yes he says " destroy the enemy" but not because "jews must be killed because they attempted to kill the prophet." but to be killed just because of the invasion of the land and continuing assaults against palestinians.Try to be a good enemy. Jewish community don t need such fools like you. Historical background doesn t go back to 5th century but mids of 20th. Did you get the point?And to all GOD chosens:If jews are really chosen then who can explain the suffer of thousands of years in deserts and around gettos and tell the reason why Hashem just sat and watched the nazi massacre and treated as if we were gipsy? And if jewish people are really chosen why every one of you escape from death so much meaning to escape from rapture meeting with Lord in the sky? you..Chosens?Jewish people have the right to live like any other human being. The problem is that you don t intend to treat the people in the same way you want to be treated. were muslims never the antagonistic enemies of jews in the history but it was basically catholic christians. You all very easly tend to forget the time you lived with your honours under the rule of İslamic states. Suffer came not from east side but from the west! What is happening here? are you all to lie and tell imaginative truths to each other and believing them knowingly? Greats powers rise and falls!and Amerika is just an off shore power. I think we had better create a peaceful region and the way toward the peace pass through peaceful feelings and endeavours. If you say 1 jew=100 muslim and arrest half of the Palestinian cabinet, kill the Arab babies, kids and pregnant mothers for one soldier then we can hardly construct that environment. Hate feeds hate and creates a social order characterized by what so called -fithna- in İslamic Sciences (Let s say regional disorder in another term) in which tyrants and innocents are all injured in the same basket (probably by a third party). Tıo avoid regional disaster we should stop listening fanatic jews,god chosen believers but particularly those flatterers, American doomsday expectants who frequently come and post here. If you don t keep yourself from thinking that you are a chosen, try to push it subconscience

Read the Akedah for the sourec- Ad-ni says to Abraham "Take now son of you ONLY of yuo whom you love Isaac." cos the covenant goes thru this line Avraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) In their version of the binding they have Ishamail instead.

War is extension of Diplomacy and it was the same as today in the history. Jihad is not different than war as a verb. It is an arabic term and means "struggle for the sake of Allah". What differentiate it from other kind of struggle is only "intention". For example if a group of muslims (state/s) fight againts US for the sake of nation it is not jihad.If fight for national honour again it is not Jihad. If fight for personal interest, of course it is not Jihad. Verbal action is not defined by the very nature of it, by itself. Two actions, for instance, with the same outcome can be quite different from each other. Good or Bad. If a person kills another human being accidentally most probably all law enforcements around world will release the person and don t jail or execute. If a person kills someone because he got very angry :( it will be a crime. In both cases the outcome are the same."murder". What makes a verb "commiting crime"is not defined by the verb itself. But together with the use of will, "intention". What an ordinary power struggle diffrentiate from Jihad is just intention. While one is conducted for any type of intention in the other only the sake of Allah is intended. Outcomes are the same. And a Jihad doesn t not necessarily aim non muslims. For example while two Muslim groups are fighting with each other third party muslim group must try to settle the dispute. If one of the fighting party refuse settlement all the others fight againts them till agreement. This is also Jihad. (smile) Jihad generally means struggle for the correction, or struggle to convert disorder into the order. But if your intention is not the sake of Allah you get nothing after all even if what you do save whole the world. The logic of this:Allah almight created the universe and each individual and donated them with necessary means( eyes, hearts, ears).Human being must be thankful only to Allah and must do good works , only for the sake of him. Even good works, themselves, are meaningless if the owner of the verb disregard the creator while doing good works. Therefore one can hardly claim that the concept of Jihad is harmful. What harmful is warfare. And please refer to moderns political science findings to know the right answer for your question ;the causes, origins, and consequences of war. There will be enough accumulated knowledge.But there you will find nothing to boil your blood. If you are a tabloid reader you may be annoyed again. And don t forget that those territories were conquered not by islamists but by muslims.Your brain has been washed with concepts having no historical background. The difference between Islamist and Muslim much bigger than Christian and Christianist. What a foolish external label:)

Moshe, thank you so much for your very honest explaination of jihad! You stated many things most American muslims would deny to the open public. To render your many words down to "tabloid talk": The end justifies the means. Anything (including burning churches, open war-fare, rape and out right lying) that advances Islam is good. Anything that impeades the growth of Islam (like defending your country from invading jihadis) is bad. One of your last statements was the most revealing. You said: "And don't forget that those territories were conquered not by islamists but by muslims." Yes, I know! So very good of you to admit that muslims invade, conquer, and OCCUPY lands that did not belong to them in the first place!! Much obliged, Keemosaabee.

Not at all...:) Yes muslims conquered the territories. Frankly, I don t remember any muslim person who refuse that muslims started out to conquer the continent. The debate is about whether they were raper and cruel like Americans or the messanger of peace. You say "including burning churches, open war-fare, rape and out right lying"..these are very subjective opinions and like a fan, beneficial only to cool your burning blood and to justify the cruelty over the Muslim communities. We all know that once jewish people lived in that territory. (you can thank again if you wish)But the source of the problem is trying to reverse the history with an archaic 'promised land' belief supported by another corrupt idea inhabited among jews that they are GOD's chosen in spite of the fact that they undergone great suffers during the history. This second one is especially more dangerous. Remembering The borders of the promised land Israel needs more inhabitants to fill those territory and they are calling the local jews living in other countries- after any related or unrelated events - on the ground that those places are very dangerous for jewish people. And this calls are made especially from American jewish community and corrupt Christian Zionists. The aim of the call is to create a population as much as possible to invade the remaining parts of the promised land. How can you talk about the peace and that muslims don t want peace? Last thing, who told you I am muslim?

I think the bigger question is how come the British Parliament isn't throwing these nutjobs in jail. Leave it to the British to not want to offend Muslims but when it comes to Jews or Israel London's own Red Ken is on the front lines.

strange, you choose not to print my reply to the article above. yet its identical to yaakov lappin's except that the words and/or phrases have been reversed. so much for the fairness/freedom of the press; unless of course you agree with abdul aziz that israel is the cancer, and jewish dirty dogs are cursed

what happens with Jihad when the Infidels are attacked first by the Muslims and their land is occupied? Does the law of Mohammed also work vice vera?

Moshe says, "The debate is about whether they were raper and cruel like Americans or the messanger of peace." No, that's not the debate. You are simply twisting the conversation. The truth is why do radical Islamist chop off heads - like the so-called "messenger of peace", why do they enslave innocents like they did in Sudan, rape, torture and pillage entire villages across Africa. Because they are taught this by the Hadiths, the Quran and by the so-called "messenger of peace" himself, by his actions to steal, kill and destroy anyone who got in his way, because he had voices in his head. Remember, he had no idea if it was God or some demon. "You say "including burning churches, open war-fare, rape and out right lying"..these are very subjective opinions and like a fan, beneficial only to cool your burning blood and to justify the cruelty over the Muslim communities." No, what this poster said was the truth. You cannot get away from it. Its happened in Bosnia, Nigeria, Iraq, India, and a host of other countries. Truth is, Islamic Jihad is being preached in madrassas, Saudi Arabia, even to children that Jews and Christians are monkeys and pigs. These are the facts. You cannot deny them. Your statement that this is just used to "justify cruelty..." is a big fat lie. Its a simple bait and switch tactic to try and make the other party in the argument feel guilty. The truth is you do not have a shred of evidence to stand on when it comes to morals because the very books being read by these radicals encourages murder, theft and lies. Your leaders encourage it and so do the religious leaders. Israel gave Gaza away. What did Hamas do? It sent a thousand rockets into Israel from Gaza. Hamas and the rest of these radicals better wake up. You truly have no idea what can be unleashed. If they keep attacking innocents they will lose everything. Of course, I guess Moshe thinks the Americans are not really freeing Iraq and Afghanistan from murderous thugs. Like the ones who recently killed 60 innocent people in an open food market in Iraq, or 4 children playing in an open field. Yes, America makes mistakes. But your silly attempt to brush stroke a few mistakes against a mountain of intentional killings, rapes, tortures is sickening. It shows how utterly sick you and people like you are.

No one hates "ALL" the sons of Ishmael. Only the ones who bomb and kill innocent people according to the works of their god. They've been misled to hate the entire world, not just Israel, but anyone who does not believe in their god, or their false prophet. Its sad really. Truly, so many people dying for a lie. We can pray their eyes are opened. Hopefully they will start to have freedom in Lebanon, Iraq and begin to see other opinions that are not forced down their throats by tyrants and religious nuts. For now, they live in darkness. The crazed lunatics and leaders who create the death cults are leading the sheep into a dark pit. I hope some can be saved. Many have, hopefully, many more will. God willing, all things are possible. John, the truth is as long as people believe in some prophet who tells them to kill, steal and lie for the cause of conquering the world, this will go on not just in Israel, but around the world. I suspect, the world is going to get fed up with it rather fast.

Michael, thank you. I could not have said it better. I didn't respond to Moshe's last talkback because I was at a lost of how to reason with the warped mind of a lunatic! Yet, after reading even more horrific news about the persecution of Christians in northern Nigeria, I thought I would try. Then I read your talkback. You said it all, Bro!

Your situation for me: I am happy to confuse you Sheikh! it means that after some exercises you are about to learn how to think by knowledge, putting aside the prejudices. Otherwise you could give me a lesson immidiately after reading my post. I won t say anything about "warped mind of a lunatic" judgement.

No Propaganda! The debate is historic and only fact and findings can talk. I think you were in a very bad day while posting your article otherwise you would be well aware of that it was not christians but muslims massacred there. Ask Clinton or (better)someone here if you slept during the 250.000 bosnian muslim was murdered and women were raped. If you make such unforgivable mistake just in a post, The question of how many mistake Michael can make in 10 post will arise. Now tell us where can you get away Michael? Of course there is no doubt you lost your balance because you have just focused on to demonize a targeted group of people on the earth by stereotyping, prejudice,and discrimination and create a malevonent and evil other who are dehumanized in the first hand. Monkeys and pigs are used in people's daily life and such words may be used by someone who is just angry or just dissapointed. Are you aware of where you drag the subject and help to arose hatred among nations and different religous groups with low quality propositions? I really want to learn what you feel saying "even to children that Jews and Christians are monkeys and pigs" while you declare muslims devil and disseminate any type of material degrading Islam and Muslims. Of course I don t think the Americans are not really freeing Iraq and Afghanistan from murderous thugs. But they occupied the throne of the old thugs and committing more bloody crimes. How can one succeed in ignoring tons of documents, pics and videos? Even american soldiers may deny your argument as some of them have already done it. You are not a part of the debate seeking the truth but you have an agenda. Follow it Michael, you will get to somewhere in the end, either you want or don t want to get to... But don t forget that at the beginning America needed just one demon (unnecessarily) to put home in order and keep it ready against threats but they created more than one. Now, have you truly have an idea what can be unleashed?

Yes, Bosnia was a terrible!! But, America had just finished liberating Kuwait when it started. Our forces were commited there. We said: "this is a European situation, let Europe handle it." For a long time, Europe did nothing. The armies of Eygpt did nothing, the armies of Turkey did nothing. The Dar al Islam did nothing. Do you want to tell me Clinton was a lousy President? Hell yes to that! Finally, with the might of America's aircraft, the Serbs were stopped!

The land does not care who owns it. It will accept any blood offered. In one hundred to five hundred years the land will still be here. The land will still be hungry for more blood from any claimant, who at that time may be from China

What a deceitful lie! See for yourselves the islamic vicios trechery against the jews. In the words of some muslim scholars. http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/quraiza.html

Dear G.I Jane Annie, were those from your scripture? Annie, if I were you I would bang my head against the great wall rather than China itself. The unresolved part of the cold war, China, is preparing a big stick for you. Neither Ridlye Scott nor deserter Hawks can help you at that time. At that time don t beg mercy from muslims and don t even think to contain China with their help and bases on their territories in Asia while allegedly pursuing terrorists and setting bases by the same alleged cause. And keep your back ...yard from chinese influence, be ready for the confrontation in Americas. You won t form an effective allience -even England won t be with you there for the power struggle in East Asia but may share its experience about how to lose an empire. EU says that rise of china is good for world. Let s watch how things will proceed after this little middle east issue while you repeating your sacred words.

The words are from the heart not the scripture. You missed the point. The point is war does no good. By the next generation no one even remembers why it happened. . Lo, young lad upon yon hill, duty called. And you… with your handsome heart, stepped up proud. For just a spant of time it had need of thee. How were you to know ‘twas for eternity. Ripened time the cause forsakes; Ah, the soonest you’d not know Is when your ruined bones awake.

i read and lough about the muslims in britain they sound like analfabeticle rubish.they are jealous of jewish sucses.they are ignorent and poor begers. muslims around the world are going backwards no wander they live in slums from there its strait to the caves .i think europe should get rid of them before its to late they are not lawyel .fact england france holland whos next.proud israeli

the true story of islam started in saudi arabia muchamed the devil and dog was rapist thief and gay like all arabs .second the caba in saudi arabia wasroom full of idols and alla was one of them .if an arab tells you his god is the same as yours his lying.

If Mohamed wanted you to suicide boom , and create a atmospheer of Jihad he would let you know. Not through some nut job but he would do it himself. He didn't need your help before to defeat his ennemies and he doesn't need your help now. What you are supposed to be doing is following the law to Peace. BLESSED IS THE PEACE MAKER.

Unfortunately Britain has forgotten the lessons of the 1930's that appeasement does not pay. Before the last elections one Muslim leader said that soon the flag of Islam will fly over No.10. Believe me they are working towards it and unless they take steps to make Muslims integrate and accept the 'British way of life' they will have to learn the 'Saudi way of life' which I doubt that the British will like.

Go ahead and wage your war. If your "God" is real, you will have victory. If not, you will only be sending your jihadists into th eternal damnation. Look at 1948, 1967 and 1973.