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Haniyeh: We're yet again besieged by our occupiers
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31. Articulate and honest. If only he had an Israeli counterpart
Charles Norham ,   Oxford, England   (07.11.06)
Why is it that in the face of the clear honesty, principles and values shown by this man that the Israeli establishment all crow with one voice? Why is it that so many, though clearly not all, Israelis seem to have lost any sense of the humanity of the Palestinians and their equal right to dignity and freedom? How can there be equivalence between F-16s and tank shells and some home made mortar rockets that do nothing?
32. How much did Haniyeh pay Zoghby to write this crap
Alan ,   SA   (07.11.06)
33. It's very simple
Daniel ,   Washington, DC   (07.11.06)
Mr. Haniyeh: Stop firing rockets into Israel and give back our soldier. When those two things are done Israel will stop sending the IDF into Arab occupied cities. Make no other demands. No other conditions. Just be thankful that Israel used lmited means for trying to get it's soldier back. Had Olmert not had a limited response do you honestly believe there would be more than rubble left of your cities? Stop the fighting and start rebuiliding your people need infastructure and jobs in their own cities not in Israel. Children who don't get along are separated until they can behave. You need to learn to live separtely then join the world stage when your people have the means of acting without violence
34. You lost in '67, dude. It's been 40 years... Get over it.
Josh   (07.11.06)
35. 31 Charles Norham: here the reason Why
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (07.11.06)
Learn to understand Their arabic Rhetoric and language You are Naive - or simply uneducated Hamas Reality is: Kill A Jew and Go to Heaven http://www.pmw.org.il/KJGH.htm Palestinian Authority seems poised to use kids as human shields: Child martyrdom promotion clip returns to PA TV after three years’ absence http://www.pmw.org.il/LatestBulletins.htm#b040706 Hamas in its own words: http://www.pmw.org.il/tv-hamas.htm Complete TV index: http://www.pmw.org.il/tv.html PA promoting and Glorifying Terrorism http://www.pmw.org.il/murder.htm Denying Israel's Right to Exist and Anticipating its Destruction http://www.pmw.org.il/Denying%20Israel%27s%20right%20to%20exist.htm
36. To #5 Palestinian
(07.11.06)
You're a really ignorant person are you? The wikipedia article explictily said the palestnian people are also jews and christians except muslims. You've managed to ridicule yourself yet again! Goodbye and have a nice day.
37. END the ARAB OCCUPATION. JEWISH REFUGEES MUST HAVE JUSTICE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.11.06)
56 Muslim countries. Only one Jewish state. 22 HUGE, oil-wealthy Arab countries cover over six million square miles, over ten percent of the land surface of earth. TINY, over-crowded Israel, only one tenth of one percent of the Middle East. Stop the land grab of Jewish land! Radical Leftists, racists, human rights destroyers/IslamoFascist religious supremacists seek to deny Jews the right to live in their Biblical heartland of Judea and Samaria because they are Jews and not Muslims. Around 1948, Arabs violently ethnically cleansed one million Jews from Arab countries. Arab governments seized the land, homes, bank accounts, businesses and assets of the Jews. Most Jewish refugees fled to Israel where the religious terror war against Jews never stops. It is unacceptable to Muslims for Jews to have self-rule. A bloody jihad that spans the globe. It is essential Arab countries compensate the Jewish refugees and their descendants - half of Israel's Jewish population - in land and finances. This urgent human rights issue must be discussed constantly with Road Map architects - U.S. EU, UN and Russia, and in homes, schools, social activities, cultural events and synagogues.
38. #31 Mr Charles Horham
david brent ,   Londonistan,UK   (07.11.06)
Charles, I can see that you are a highly moral person and seem so concerned with the plight of the poor palestinians. you make comment that Israeli Tanks are no match for "home made mortar rockets"...a question for you, which we expect an answer to, as you have clearly offended a number of jews on here, and after all this is a jewish website and gentiles arent most welcome. Lets say, in london, a group of people who had legitimate reasons and felt oppressed by the british government, such as those who demonstrated against the BRITISH occupation of Iraq. Now if these people began firing "homemade mortar rockets" at the police or even worse into a farm or a city centre, what would you say? would you say THAT is disproportionate use of weapons against people weaker than you OR would you hold that it is the legitimate right of the british government to protect its citizens at aLL costs? answer please
39. Palestinian natural rights.
Benjamin ,   TA Israel   (07.11.06)
Palestinian natural right is to enjoy democracy, suverenity and economic prosperity all the while shooting Qassams, carrying bombing attacks and kidnapping Israely. Am I understand it correct ?
40. letters@washpost.com is where you tellthem what u think of H
Alan ,   SA   (07.11.06)
41. RIGHT OF RETURN of JEWS to ALL THEIR LAND
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.11.06)
Right of return is non-negotiable. All Jewish land stolen in the 1948 Islamic invasion must be returned. In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza, ethnically cleansing all Jews. In 1948, Jordan invaded Judea, Samaria and east Jerusalem, ethnically cleansing all Jews. Jordan destroyed 58 sacred synagogues in Jerusalem. In 1967 when Israel won Islam's war of aggression against it, Jews returned to the areas of their homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Fascists DECEITFULLY call this return "occupation". Under international law, territories are considered "occupied" only when taken in an act of aggression which does not apply to Israel. Judea, Samaria and Gaza are not 'occupied territories' according to international law because they were not taken from any foreign sovereign. The religious terror war against Jews never stops. It is unacceptable to Muslims for Jews to have self-rule in the tiny, re-born Jewish state. It is a bloody, global war to subjugate every nation to Islam, ruled by sharia law. The return to Jewish ownership of the land, homes, properties & businesses stolen from the Jews in the 1948 Islamic invasion is an urgent human rights issue requiring constant discussion with Road Map architects - U.S. EU, UN and Russia, and in homes, schools, social activities, cultural events and synagogues.
42. We Demand Compensation From Arab Countries
Seth ,   Washington, DC   (07.11.06)
Our family was kicked out of Alexandria, Egypt in 1949. We lost all our property, businesses, homes, and our women were searched in the most degrading manner. We were lifted by our ankles by the Egyptian government and we lost all our wealth. Our experience is shared by at least half a million Jewish refugees from Arab lands. When are we going to receive justice?
43. THEY ARE JUDEA AND SAMARIA - NOT PALESTINE - READ
andrew ,   miami,fl   (07.11.06)
PALESTINE WAS GIVEN TO YOU BY HADRIAN - THEE LANDS ARE NOT OCCUPIED - THEY ARE ISRAEL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine As a result of the First Jewish-Roman War (66–73), Titus sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple, leaving only the Western Wall. In 135, following the fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar Kokhba in 132–135, the Roman emperor Hadrian expelled most Jews from Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in Samaria and the Galilee. He also changed the name of the Roman province of Judea (Israel) to Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an insult to the now conquered Jews. In what was considered a form of psychological warfare, the Romans also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had less staying power. Over time the name Syria Palaestina was shortened to Palaestina, which by then had become an administrative political unit within the Roman Empire.
44. haniye, is wrong again!
oded   (07.11.06)
1- there was NEVER a"palestinian "state .it is a myth. 2-the 67 territories were aptured during a war. it is the winner's to keep or relinquish under agreemenets ,that "the palis" have broken time after time. 3- hamas calls for the destruction of israel, doesn't recognizr israel's right to exist, and wishes an islamic state from sea to river. so who's bullshitting here? 4- all arabs in the west bank were ,pre67, jordanian citizens. all arabs in gaza were egyptian citiziens. please refer back to your home countries and leave our occupied terrotories.
45. Linda Rivera, just gets better and better!
Addam ,   Londonistan,UK   (07.11.06)
Whats your story linda? How come you know so much and are so wise?
46. Palesnian lies
Natan ,   USA   (07.11.06)
Someone once said that if you tell a lie often enough, people will start believing it. This is the tactics that Hanieyh and his terrorists in arms are using. Such lies as, for example, that Israel "robbed" their land in 1967. I am extremely dissappointed in the Israeli government lack of response to the lies spread by those scum bags. Unless we dispute those lies, they may be perceived as addmission. It is time that the folks in the "Hassbara" office earn their Shekels!!!
47. Gaza
Bobby Z   (07.11.06)
Gaza should be turned into an ammusement park, with 10,000 parking places for those nice israeli people. It could be called Arafats FunFair, what do u think
48. hanzale no.29
mike ,   tel aviv   (07.11.06)
you talk about BEN GURON and other leaders being terrorist who was making riots and terror at that time in palestine not the arabs? by the way if you dont know JERUSALEM blongs to ISRAEL
49. Haniyeh and others will continue to rant until
Riv ,   Jerusalem   (07.11.06)
.......statesman (bit of a stretch, elected leaders) decide to tell the truth by no longer whitewashing and legitimizing the Palestinian so-called plight, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam. Until these world leaders say Oslo was a mistake and *WHY*, the road-map to legitimize the Palestinians and the US led quartet of of Palestinian appeasers/liars was a deceitful step to de-legitimize Israel through more lies and whitewashing, the demons of the world will continue to demonize Israel. Plain and simple. The worse side effect of this is history becomes so severely deformed that over time real history, real hard and true facts are lost forever. In the end it is not Abbas the incubator and protector of terror that is the demon. Not even his evil military wing Fatah who continues to falsely allude the state department list of terror organizations. Not even Mubarak who has gotten away with turning his back as tunnels were dug from his country to Gaza in order to smuggle weapons which slaughter Jews. It is not even Hamas or Islamic Jihad, Iran or baby assad who we should hold responsible. They are just the players who have because of the protectors and liars gotten miserably away with murder. To shatter the myths and lies and revised lying history will take REAL STATESMAN to tell the truth and blow the hell out of all the lies. Until that happens more Jews will give their lives wrongly and Israel will continue to be plunged not only into the prepuce of the abyss but to true pariah status. We are almost there.......look and see. The victims have become the victimizers. Look closely and you will see how this happened. Friends, this is 2006. Wake up. What created this whole mess lies at the heals of world leaders. They are the only ones who have the key to unlock the truth. They are the ones we must hold to the fire!
50. Is it fair?
Palestinian   (07.11.06)
I have read all the replies, but, unfortunately, nobody said anything convincing. Israel occupied Palestine in 1948, most of the Israelis are from outside Palestine!!! Now, who is the terrorist? the occupier or the victim? If the Palestinians ask you to let them live on 38% of their historical land, and you refuse that, is it a fair world? When did Israel, and their Zionist gangs, stop killing and massacring Palestinians... Since the first beginning of Israel, they started killing civilians (Hagana, ....) Finally, you are racists against yourselves, can we expect to be fair to the others... I think that is impossible.
51. To 19
Shai ,   Israel   (07.11.06)
1) You're "right" to the 1967 lands is a myth. The boundary between the two states, one Arab and one Jewish, was to be negotiated under ALL of the relevant UNSCR's. 2) Haniyeh's statement is that BEFORE negotiations begin, we need to withdraw and solve all sorts of problems that never would have occurred had the Arabs accepted the proposal, which Israel accepted, for a partition between the Arabs and Israelis in 1947. So, what exactly will the "negotiations" be about? If anybody can't see through this they must be idiots.
52. re: #16 / Palestine Post and Olmert
Bobba Fett ,   eisham, israel   (07.11.06)
Dear Art, In case you don't know it, the Jerusalem Post newspaper (a mildly conservative Israeli publication) is owned and operated under its original corporate name: The Palestine Post. So yes, obviously, they would (and do) definitely give Olmert, and every PM for that matter, opportunity to present their views. Furthermore, as much as I want to see Hamas change its ways or be eliminated, I see no harm in letting a the leader of the enemy tell us his viewpoint in a mainstream publication. It is much harder to defeat the enemy or make peace with him, when you don't even know his opinions. May the light shone upon his bald faced lies disinfect the brainwashed, and strengthen the determination of those who seek true freedom, peace and justice in the Middle East.
53. #25 Addam - 77.2% PA Muslims support ABDUCTION of SOLDIER
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.11.06)
Thank you Addam! Yes, definitely go ahead in your comments and post articles I refer to such as the Dutch newspaper Trouw where the PLO state "The Palestinian people does not exist" Getting out the TRUTH and FACTS is of major importance. from www.imra.org.il - Sunday 9 July e-mail Poll of PA Muslims JMCC Poll: 77.2% support abduction of soldier, 60.4% support continuing firing rockets. Pa Muslims conduct non-stop religious terror war whilst Israeli leaders talk peace and give non-stop concessions!
54. I am sorry for my words
Hanzala ,   Jerusalem-Palestine   (07.11.06)
I know that my english isnt very good nor my knowlege of history but please understand.... As with my moslem brothers, we are not interested in truth or reality. We are interested in forwarding our agendas only. we care not for truth.. So if i have offended anyone on this site (and i know i should be on a MOSLEM or ARAB website, not on here annoying jews) then i apologise and hope you will accept my apology. I have been badly brainwashed by my schooling and parents neither of whom even care for my life but as long as i die a "shahid" i will be happy Allah whoachBAR
55. To 5
Shai ,   Israel   (07.11.06)
I read the wikipedia entry. Of interest is that the "ancient" claim you present for this land is your descendency from - are you seated - Jews? Baahahahahah! I get it - you guys are the "Jews" and all the rest of us are the imposters. Well, ain't that a trip. HItler missed you all - and how sorry you are. Why didn't you all step up to the plate while the Germans roasted us in their ovens, oh brave brothers? And, this means that the land is Islamic waqf land because the Jews who were here became Muslims? So, they claim that somehow, this choice made the whole of it Muslim land? You mean that ALL they had to do was threaten the Jews with death or conversion, and the result of that was the creation of the "ancient" Palestinian People, and their eternal foothold that trumps the claims of the Jews themselves? Heck, if that's all there is to it, and in the interest of the parity that Muslims are always whining about, I hereby demand by the tip of the sword that all you Muslims convert back to Judaism. Now. Or die. What a STUPID STUPID STUPID way of thinking!!! I'm laughing so hard I'm peeing in my pants!!! I'm laughing at the people who believe this!!!! Bwaahahaha - cut it out, cut it out. Ok I'll calm down. To make the game even funner, it says in that article that the Palestinians proposed that "Palestinians" be all Arabs who were here in 1947, but that it only include Jews who were here since 1917. Bwahahahahha!! The Palestinian idea of "parity"? Burning that candle from both ends, eh? That's some "parity", stacking the deck like that. Shows those trusted and true Mashal Morals, eh? Always moaning about how the world doesn't give them enough slack. Oh, and here's another one - Some guy called himself a Palestinian in the 700's, a fete not to be repeated for centuries, and presto, there was no Temple Mount, there was no Jewish people, there was only Palestinians to the thousandth generation back. And that the Jews of Arab lands saw themselves first as Arabs and then Jews? Hmm. That is supposed to be the basis for claiming that even if the Jews came back to Israel, that it should still be an Arab land. All Jews in the European diaspora can't come. Says who? What makes you Arabs so special that you can decide who lives here and who doesn't? Isn't it obvious that it is YOU who are the racists and not the Jews? We have Jews from more than 80 countries here - how many different nationalities do the PA harbor in their borders? I'd be embarrased to be Palestinian if I had to define myself by pirating the identities of everybody else.
56. #17Israel Always say Palestenian people never exist
Dave ,   Washington DC   (07.11.06)
PLO to say or not to say is not the issue, but when The zionest entity says that Palestenian don't exist , then this means US say so, and it forced everyone to accept that by force. This is the real issue
57. question to #50
Liegh ,   USA   (07.11.06)
I do not understand you clearly when you say 'you are racists against yourselves' please explain what you are trying to say. throughout the history of the world, many lands have been taken from the first inhabitants of those lands- it is part of the expansion and development of the world, and a fact. Palistine is not the only one.
58. Hanzala in Jerusalem, Israel
Jane   (07.11.06)
As any descendant of Haj Amin Al-Husseini, may G-d erase his name, will tell you, the Nazi plan was all encompassing. There is no parallel with ANYTHING the IDF does. If there were, there would be no Palestinians left. You are a Jew-hating moron.
59. Palestinians have no credibility
Steven ,   San Francisco   (07.11.06)
When the very first suicide bombing occurred they lost all credibility forever. Now they can bear the consequences of that forever.
60. read this linda rivera, tell us what you think
london,uk   (07.11.06)
The London transport bombings of July 2005 prompted no less than eight surveys of Muslim opinion in the United Kingdom within the year. When added to two surveys from 2004, they provide in the aggregate a unique insight into the thinking of the nearly 2 million Muslims in "Londonistan." The hostile mentality they portray is especially alarming when one recalls that London's police commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, recently said that the threat of terrorism "is very grim" because there are, "as we speak, people in the United Kingdom planning further atrocities." The July 7 attacks: About one in 20 British Muslims has voiced overt sympathy for the bombings a year ago. Separate polls find that between 2% and 6% endorse the attacks, 4% refuse to condemn them, 5% believe the Koran justifies them, and 6% say the suicide bombers were acting in accord with the principles of Islam. Without endorsing the attacks, far larger numbers show an understanding for them: Thirteen percent say the July 7 suicide bombers should be regarded as "martyrs," 16% say the attacks were wrong but the cause was right, while 20% feel sympathy for the "feelings and motives" of the attackers. A whopping 56% can see "why some people behave in that way." Help the police? A worrisome number of Muslims would not help the police if they suspected a fellow Muslim was planning a terrorist attack, ranging in different surveys from 5% to 14% to 18%. Violence acceptable? Before 7/7, 11% found it acceptable "for religious or political groups to use violence for political ends" but only 4% thought so after the attacks, showing a rare improvement. Two polls turned up the identical figure of 7% of Muslims endorsing suicide attacks on civilians in Britain. (Among 18- to 24-year-olds, those most likely to carry out such an attack, the number jumps to 12%.) How about suicide attacks on the military in Britain? Positive answers came in at 16% and 21% (with 28% of 18- to 24-year-olds). Are the respondents themselves willing to embrace violence to bring an end to "decadent and immoral" Western society? One percent, or some 16,000 persons, answered in the affirmative. Muslim or British: Polling indicates that a majority of Muslims perceive a conflict between their British and Muslim identities. Two polls show that only a small proportion identifies itself first as a British (7% and 12%), but they differ widely on the number who identify first with their religion (81% and 46%). Implementing Islamic law: Muslims widely state that Shariah should reign in Britain. Forty percent approve of Shariah being applied in predominantly Muslim areas, and 61% want Shariah courts to settle civil cases among Muslims. All of 58% want those who criticize or insult Islam to face criminal prosecution. Schools should be prohibited from banning female pupils from wearing the hijab, say 55%, while 88% insist that schools and work places should accommodate Muslim prayer times. Integration into Britain: In a nearly mirror-image of each other, 65% say Muslims need to do more to integrate into mainstream British culture, and 36% say modern British values threaten the Islamic way of life. Twenty-seven percent feel conflicted between loyalty to fellow Muslims and to Britain. Of those who despise Western civilization and think Muslims "should seek to bring it to an end," 32% endorse nonviolent means and 7% violent means. Attitudes toward Jews: Polls confirm that the antisemitism widespread in the Muslim world also rears its head in Britain. About half the Muslims polled believe that Jews in Britain have too much influence over Britain's foreign policy and are in league with the Freemasons to control its press and politics. Some 37% consider Jews in Britain "legitimate targets as part of the ongoing struggle for justice in the Middle East," and 16% state that suicide bombings can be justified in Israel. (Among 18- to 24-year-olds, that number rises to 21%.)
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