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Convention of rabbis: How to make conversion more convenient
Neta Sela
Published: 20.07.06, 20:18
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1. Jewish Agency
Ezra   (07.20.06)
Sounds good ! YNet, let us know when secular jewish agency bureaucrats will stop telling tzitzit wearing orthodox converts they are not jewish enough to immigrate in Israel... and asking them to come one year later with affidavits proving they have a jewish way of life they themselves do not respect !
2. AMEN EZRA
ilana ,   usa   (07.21.06)
and let us know WHY the Pink Prancers of the homosexual group are invited, can make aliya and those who want to come for religious, rather than the numbers issue, are not considered good candidates to return to their homeland! Could it be tourism?Nah...
3. RIghteous?
Elias ,   COlorado SPrings, CO   (07.21.06)
"There are few people in today's world who can be called righteous gentiles" Well Rabbi, considering the amount nutty, left-wing Jews in this country there's a scarcity of righteous Jews also. You'll need all the converts you can get.
4. Monopoly on G-d
Ezra   (07.21.06)
A handful of arrogant, pompous humans calling themselves "rabbis" think they have the power to deprive other humans of G-d. Only in Israel would this be allowed to happen. Did Ruth have to pay off a rabbi?
5. Religion for sale
Rabbi Chaim   (07.21.06)
For enough $$$, you can find a rabbi to convert you in Israel. Last time I checked at an absorption center in Ashkelon, the going rate was $14,000.
6. I got by cheap...
david ,   florida   (07.21.06)
my conversion classes only cost $250. the conservative rabbi didn't believe in mixed marriages and as my exwife didn't want to be jewish, i was told to decide which i wanted more, judaism or her.
7. Rabbis ?
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (07.21.06)
It's high time for some Rabbis to convert to God (gratuitously), only then may they teach Talmud, etc.
8. calling all converts
hanina ,   usa   (07.21.06)
Who do you pray to anyway? Don't you have a relationship with the creator where he knows your dilemma? Just keep doing what you do best and wait for him to recognize you. But don't marry a Jew unless you want to join our nation.
9. conversion
chaim Clorfene ,   Tsfat, Israel   (07.21.06)
Rabbi Eliyashiv said that there are few righteous gentiles today. What does that have to do with conversion? A convert is not not a righteous gentile, but a righteous convert, a ger tzedek. We need to worry about righteous rabbis, not righteous gentiles or righteous converts.
10. mixture
Madai ,   USA   (07.21.06)
This issue is confusing: It's doubtfull whether the topic is about conversion or about planning a way to take people's money.
11. Whole Families 100s of Miles Away Live 1 yr with WHOM???
Paqid 16, Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.21.06)
Whole families, 100s of miles from the nearest Orthodox community - from Mexico to Australia - are learning the importance of keeping Torah. Most want to convert. Rabbis will require them to move and go live with an Orthodox family for a year to satisfy their hunger to keep Torah as a Jew? That has never been a requirement of conversion. Now the rabbis again plan to add to Torah contrary to Dt. 13.1? What about those who learn to love Torah over the internet? Do the rabbis imply that the world outside of their immediate line of sight are denied a reasonable opportunity to become a Jew because of where they were born or find themselves living when they learn about Torah? On the brighter side, conversion isn't essential to keep Torah and obtain a portion in Olam ha-Ba.. Details are available on the Netzarim site - which is temporarily down from technical problems ensuing from the Khizb'Allah War. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il (website not working properly due to war)
12. Can't learn Torah while learning Torah???
Paqid 16, Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.21.06)
Suppose the candidate, while learning Torah, discovers that he or she prefers Sephardi or Teimani but started studying under an Ashkanazi rabbi. Now, the Sephardi or Teimani rabbi cannot consider the candidate? Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il (website not working properly due to war)
13. to #6 David in Florida
Hilda ,   USA   (07.21.06)
I hope you are happy with your choice. I'm sure there are plenty of nice Jewish girls around.
14. TO RABBIS: USE THIS CONVENTION ..
gabriela ben ari   (07.21.06)
to solve more urgent halachic issues like divorce and agunot. Use your energies and resouses to fix the house inside and get to fix the outside when you're done Women are suffering by the tens of thousands at the hands of our -unwilling to work out a solution- chief rabbis and religious leaders
15. ITS ABOUT EMBRACING NEW FREINDS - NOT "CONVERTION"
andrew ,   miami,fl   (07.21.06)
ITS ABOUT EMBRACING NEW FREINDS - NEW MEMBERS TO THE TRIBE WITH LOVE AND GIVING THEM A NEW HOPE
16. I DONT TRUST THE AUTHOR
DACON9   (07.21.06)
TO MANY QUOTES FROM TO MANY PROMINENT RABBIS. TO MUCH TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. I DONT TRUST THE AUTHORS WITH "THEIR" FACTS. ALSO CAN ANYONE TORAH SCHOLAR TELL ME. "HOW DO YOU ERASE THE WORDS OF THE TORAH WITHOUT DAMAGING THE REST OF TORAH?
17. to #2 - you are confused
gabe ,   new york   (07.21.06)
ilana- i'm afraid you are confusing two separate issues. one is who the state of israel judges as jewish - an issue that is unfortunately been hijacked by the unltra-orthodox. the other is freedom of speech of gays and lesbians to walk through the streets of israel in pride and with a message of tolerance (of everyone including those same hateful unltra-orthodox) and respect for diversity and difference opinion. you also seem to have invented two terms/concepts, neither of which are real - "Pink Prancers" and "homosexual group." Your fabrications don't help me respect your position in a civil debate.
18. Conversion madness
Leon ,   Grand Rapids U S A   (07.21.06)
The vast majority of Jews in the diaspora are not Orthodox. The labelling of their conversion processes as "fly-by-night" is the epitome of arrogance, and the attempt to establish a theocracy is madness. Or perhaps national suicide.
19. Rabbi Ovadia
hanina ,   usa   (07.22.06)
Dear Rabbi, You are hanging out with the wrong people. The righteous gentiles I know risk their lives daily to help me. That was kind of a mean thing to say. Cool hat though Ovadia. :P
20. #19 You have to waer a hat ...
Martin ,   Brisbane Australia   (07.23.06)
... to be able to talk through it!
21. Rabbi Ovadia
Steve ,   Atlanta, USA   (07.24.06)
Dear Rabbi, I also know many righteous gentiles you probably have never seen - keep your eyes open and you'll be amazed! You're on the right track and I love the shades - very Jerry Garcia. Best regards,
22. #19
Steve Marlowe ,   Atlanta, USA   (07.24.06)
Rabbi Ovadia is hanging out with the right people - it is Rabbis Elyashiv and Troufer who need some help.
23. no conversions please
Matt P ,   Gainesville, FL, USA   (07.25.06)
Convenient is the last term we should be applying to a conversion process. The question of "who is a Jew?" is already tough enough, the last things we need are hordes of converts without a strong attachment to the culture imposing their will on the rest of us. If just anyone is let in, we will be just another country and not a true Nation. Same with the ongoing "secular conversion" discussion. There are many people who want to be Jewish (believe it or not), but then again there are people who wish to be Black or Japanese. These people can become Jewish when I can become an Arab. As for the religious conversion--let them decide if they really want a religious conversion or not. If not, then they want to switch races and this is physically impossible.
24. comment
Matt P   (07.25.06)
By the way, Paqid is a Christian.
25. YNET YOU ERASED MY POSTING
DACON9 ,   YNET CENSURES ME   (07.27.06)
OK I GUESS WE PART CPOMPANY AGAIN YOU PROTED THE EVIL RABBIU GAFNI AND NOW YOU PROMOTE THIS PAQID HE IS EVIL AND TYHEREFORE I GUESS YOU ARE PART OF THE EVIL I POSTED WHY HE IS GET A TORAH RABBI TO READ HIS WRINTINGS,,THEN YOU WILL SEE THE LIGHT AND APOLOGIZE TO ME
26. HE IS A BAPTIST MINISTER NOT A XTIAN
DACON9 ,   SHAME ON YNET SHAME   (07.27.06)
SAME IDOL ANYWAY
27. I APOLOGIZE TO YNET
DACON9 ,   MY APOLOGIES   (07.27.06)
I AM WRONG. VERY WRONG YENT POSTED MY COMMENTS, ALL OF IT. I LOOKED AT A RELATED ARTICLE ON THE SAME SUBJECT. BUT HERE IS MY COMMENT ABOVE. AGAIN YNET DID NOTCENSOR ME THEY POSTED IT I AM WRONG EVEN THOUGH I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THERE ARTICLES AND AUTHORS VERY STRONGLY. I STILL READ YNET FOR THEIR VARIED SUBJECTS EVEN WHEN THEY DID CENSOR ME LAST YEAR. MY APOLOGIES YNET.
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