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Israeli Arabs' catch 22    Basam Jaber
31. INQUISITION
Until Israel's Arabs stand up & finally exercise their democratic right to free speech in a way that actually defends the very country (ISRAEL)protecting that human right, they have no right to live amongst us. With democracy comes responsibility, not treason. Arab mindsets will only become moderate when moderate Arabs speak out LOUDLY!
steve ,   Israel   (08.06.06)
32. Israelis Arabs
I belive it is about time we end up with this "Israeli-Arabs" situation. Israeli muslims live shoulder by shoulder with israeli catholics and israeli jews. If the so called"Israeli arabs" enjoy the benefits of living in Israel and they do have many more than the rest of the population, I believe it is about time they take a clear position to defend their country: Israel. Otherwise, no one is preventing them to go and live in the arab countries. There are many arround to choose... This includes that in the future they should prepare their children in school to go to the army. To have the same duties that the rest of the population have. Ma kore po??
harissa ,   Italy   (08.06.06)
33. can't have it both ways
I guess what the writer is saying is that there is no nation state for arabs other than the Pan arabism that he so aptly makes a case for. Which makes me wonder who would he fight for if he was a Lebanese arab or a Syrian arab? But maybe he would just go with the flow, that is those who had the arms to enforce the prevailing wind of opinion. The catch 22 is of his own making.
nuclear pen ,   Canada   (08.06.06)
34. Why not? Jews are expected to be loyal.
Every country expects Jews to be loyal to country they live in. Why is it that Arabs think that the same rules do not apply to them and expect special privileges? Dual loyalty will not be excused at the time of war. BTW, Israeli Arabs are Israelis and they should not only be not content when the Israelis are being killed, but they should be fighting to defend Israel. If being an Arab is more important than being an Israeli, get the hell out; move to an Arab country.
AK   (08.06.06)
35. No possible dilemma
Unfortunately, you have to choose which is your side, and show your attachment to it. If you get silent, this means you agree. Does it mean you agree with Nasrallah's ideology? This is my feeling, and it means you're a traitor to your country. Let me give you one example: 2 french journalists were kidnapped in Iraq, and most of the muslim community demonstrated in the streets for their release. Because muslims in France felt they were french at first, and needed to show it. Some of their representatives went in Iraq, met with many sunni clerics, and tried to negoiciate. I didn't hear about any initiative from arab-israeli-MKs going to Syria or Lebanon, and negociate for their freedom. You feel arab BEFORE beeing israeli. I heard nobody condemning soldiers' kidnapping! At the opposit, some MK's even advised palestinians to do such bad things to us. It's time to face to a single choice and decide to which side you belong to. We have to expect many things from you, and you must show more support to your country. Ah, I forgot: which is your country? What about the 3 arab israeli women who died yesterday? Does Blood from arabs in Lebanon have more value?? Sorry, but I must leave, I need to vomit. Shame on you !
Yoel   (08.06.06)
36. #8 Good for you, Judith.
100% correct (especially your last question), clear and to the point.
nul ,   Jerusalem   (08.06.06)
37. Respect
I give this article a lot of respect.... The way people are responding however is appalling. Like him, I do not want to see blood shed by any innocent civilians. I think most Israeli Arabs would agree that Hizballah should be wiped out like every Israeli Jew. But the problem lies in the deaths of human beings on BOTH SIDES. Do not twist this article's words....because I can twist the repsondent's words by saying that you want innocent Lebanese children to die and you dont care...but that is untrue. We all care about the safety of innocent human beings.
Yael ,   Tel Aviv   (08.06.06)
38. Israei Arabs, catch 22.
Give me a brake, you are nothing more than the fifth column. Any citizen of any country that supports terror against his counrty should be charged with treason and dealt with accordingly. Israel is the only democratic country in the world where the Arab family of a terrorist was collecting SS after he died in a suicde bombing. You have bitten the hand that feeds you one too many times. If you are so torn between your loyalty to your country and the terrorists you have a choice. Israel never kepet you from leaving. Don't come crying about being discriminated against, if the opposite were true in any Arab/Muslim country you would have benn sent to the gallows, with a public t ial in the town's square.
Sylvia ,   USA   (08.06.06)
39. To The Editor
Why did you not publish my Talkback about the loyalty of Israeli Arabs and that loyal Israelis should think twice before their hard earned shekels are used to support Arab Terror?
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (08.06.06)
40. Catch 22?
Oh well it is time some county started making some sense Australian News papers and Ausralian Parlament members have had enough of the Muslims demand. They were told simply and plainly: If you want to live in Austalia you will be like any other Australian, No SHARIA law here, the law of the land is the law that governs Australia, if you don't like it, the door is open. If you ideology is contrary to the Australian ideology please live. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television.
Sylvia ,   USA   (08.06.06)
41. Can't identify with Israel - LEAVE!!!
If the U.S. is fighting in Iraq, do you see Iraqi Americans openig theur mouths? NO - ecause they identify with their country. If you are more of an Arab than an Israeli, pack your belongong and leave. There are many Arab countries in the area.
Y ,   NY   (08.06.06)
42. Self -criticism
Because you are an arab does not mean you can not criticise your people - in this case, an extreme leader that does not represent the wishes or ideas of the whole Lebanese people, Nasrallah. This is the difference of Israel and the western countries we criticise our people. It is time for the arab people start to have some self-criticism.
Rosana Berlinsky ,   Israel   (08.06.06)
43. Basam Jaber
Basam Jaber makes sense to me. And Israeli Arabs are also Israelis. And Israel is a democratic country, is not it ? Israeli Arabs have been in the country longer than most Israelis. If you talk of deporting them, you are just reverting to WW II methods...
christa ,   Bouzigues, France   (08.07.06)
44. this "Proud Grandpa" is hesbollah agent
Lenya ,   los angeles   (08.07.06)
45. This is why Lieberman will get more popular!
Of course the Israeli Arabs have a right to think or say what they want. But the Israeli Jews also have this right and don't be surprised if more and more Israeli Jews elect people like Lieberman who want all Arabs out of Israel. Say what you want but don't moan when the consequences result in your removal.
Honi ,   London, UK   (08.07.06)
46. Hisbullah war
Dear Sir,Madam ,dear soldiiers; To win this war ; stop the missiles transports from the east ,north borders with Syria; also keep on controlling the main and the secondary roads to Lebanon;by bombing these roads ,making large deep holes in the streets and roads. also the roads coming from the airports and harbors,stop the diesel and gas oil transport by making deep holes on the roads;I hope that you are the winner in this small Iranian war.
Louisa da Francoo ,   Lissabon/Portugal   (08.07.06)
47. Israeli Arabs are a disgrace...
Most of them don't fully condemn Hizbola who are sending missiles to kill them.
Dudu ,   Kfar Sava   (08.07.06)
48. # 37 talks well
This is very well said. I approve 100 %. There is nothing to add.
christa ,   Bouzigues, France   (08.07.06)
49. Hypocrite
German-Americans fought nazi Germany. Chinese-Americans fought in Korea. Basam's problem is that he is a damned hypocrite. If he "loves" Lebanon (althought he probably has never been there) - why doesn't he move there?
Mardukhai ,   LA, CA, USA   (08.07.06)
50. again the french talk but dont think
christa is another example of a french bleeding heart euro trash liberal who chooses to only adhear to one side of the argument. WWII methods? are you dumb or just ignorant and where did you ever read, if u can read, where it talks about deporting arab israelis? the only methods used in ww2 was mass extermination of the jewish people and your own country being occupied by the nazis, and if it were not for the americans your first language would be german. Its obvious that you have never been to Israel because most of you who talk about the situation here get your information from bias media networks. So do us all a favor smoke your cigaretts drink your coffee and complain all you want about the evil israelis just dont write anything on jewish web sites you anti semetic bitch
aaron ,   tel aviv, Israel   (08.07.06)
51. Israeli Arabs.
What trash! I haven't heard of ,or seen, a single demonstration or protest made over the death of Iraqis being killed by Arab terrorists, complaining about the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq, the killing of Sunnis and Shiites by one another. Yet I should believe Israeli Arabs are torn about Lebanese being killed by Israelis? OOh! That's it! Jews are doing the killing. Now I understand.
wolf terner ,   fair lawn, nj, usa   (08.07.06)
52. "OUR PEOPLE"
Arab & Muslim leaders speak of "Arab nation" or Muslim nation all the time. When Israel strikes terror targets in Lebanon or Gaza - 20,000 Muslims take to the streets of Karachi. Why? What possible problem Pakistan, for example, has with Israel? There are none. So, then Muslim do indeed act as one nation. In other words, a virtual Caliphate. So then why do Arabs have 15 different countries for one people? Plus half of Europe? Plus 20% of population of Israel proper? It's OK to expand Islamic land and settle in infidel countries but it's not OK for Jews to settle in their ancient homeland occupied for nearly 2000 years by everybody and their brother, and more than half of it still occupied by Arabs where Jews are not allowed to live.
SR ,   NYC   (08.07.06)
53. christa in Bouzigues, France
You should know about WWII deportations well. Your country, France, did an excellent job of deporting French citizens to Nazi death camps. Even supplied them with stylish "pret a porter" yellow stars. And you have the impudence to open your mouth here ????
SR ,   NYC   (08.07.06)
54. #1 gadalyah
The man makes you vomit because you are an out and out racist.
Rustum ,   London, UK   (08.07.06)
55. #12 Daisy's fascist remarks
You cannot depart Israeli ARabs "back" to Lebanon and Syria as they are indigenous to the land where they were born. If you want to start talking about deporting people who were not born there, you could consider half a million Russians, quarter of a million Americans, etc -however talk of mass deportation is simply the sign that you are a racist moron.
Rustum ,   London, UK   (08.07.06)
56. #41 Y in New York
As you so kindly tell the author of the article that he should pack his bags and leave if he doesn't identify 100% with Israel, is that what you did? We note taht you live in New York - so obviously the situation in Israel is too awful for you in terms of freedom of speech so you left. Have a good life.
Rustum ,   London, UK   (08.07.06)
57. #53 SR message to Christa
You, sir, are indeed a nastypiece of work. Christa in all fairness has been asking honest questions and appears to be in favour of peace fo all peoples. You have consistently told her that she is the direct descendent of the Vichy collaborators and you have told her that she has "impudence" in opening her mouth here. I believe your manners stink, your method of argument is atrocious. No one is questioning your ancestors, no one has dispuated your right to ask serious questions or to pass neutral comment - and yet you pick on Christa time and time again and throw the Vichy collaborators in her face. Shame on you. Go and learn some debating manners and leave your own personal anti-French hysterical rantings out of the equation.
Rustum ,   London, UK   (08.07.06)
58. you enjoy both worlds ???
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT IN 1948 1967 &1973 HAVE OUR JEWISH BROTHERS STILL LIVING IN ARAB COUNTRIES WHO WERE SUBJECT TO PERSUCUTION BY THE ARAB NIGHBORS YET YOU WHO LIVE IN ISRAEL AND ARE CITIZENS OF THAT COUNTRY TAKE SIDE WITH THE ENEMYS AND DONT GIVE ME THIS CRAP THAT YOU ALL MUSLIM AS HISTORY SHOW YOU DONT CARE YOU ALLWAYS KILL EACHOTHER SO WHY NOW DO YOU CARE BECUSE THE JEWS ARE INVOLVED???
asher yehoshafat ,   ashdod israel   (08.07.06)
59. To Aron
For your information, I visited Israel three times, the firdt time in 1966.
christa ,   Bouzigues, France   (08.08.06)
60. christa to SR
Just to inform you that my father was in the resistance against the Germans. So I can surely open my mouth. And if he was alive, he would surely tell you that foreign occupation is evil.
christa ,   Bouzigues, France   (08.08.06)
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