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Christian Embassy brings relief to embattled north
Published: 09.08.06, 14:23
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1. They're still a pack of loonies!
(08.09.06)
2. THANK YOU TO OUR CHRISTIAN BROTHERS
andrew ,   tel aviv, israel   (08.09.06)
YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING - AND WHY THIS BATTLE AGAINST THE DEVIL IS A MUST WIN
3. Kol Hakavod!
Danny ,   Tel Aviv   (08.09.06)
Kol Hakavod!
4. Christian help
ros ,   UK   (08.09.06)
A wonderful organisation. Many thanks for all that you do.
5. we love you!
Ota, Lover of Israel ,   Pilsen, Czech Rep.   (08.09.06)
I hope we (group of cca 50 Czechs and Slowaks) will manage to get to Israel in October. We love you, you are too important for us to leave you alone. We are not as rich as Americans, but I am sure our ministry for sake of Israel and our small investments are not lost before the eyes of G-d. Peace to Jerusalem!
6. Thanks for the good deed
Logic ,   Israel   (08.09.06)
7. Judeo-Christian Values VS. Barbarism
Marc Annis ,   Calabasas, USA   (08.10.06)
The lines have been more clearly drawn due to the fanaticism of what has now become mainstream Islam.
8. Thank you!!!
sg ,   usa   (08.09.06)
It's deeply appreciated. G*d bless.
9. Today's soldiers don't want to be heros
SANDRA COON ,   LAS VEGAS NEVADA   (08.10.06)
Bravo for your article. It puts a very real face on what each soldier and their families are facing in Israel. I support the decision to accelerate the fight in Lebanon. It is absolutely the only thing you can do to protect Israel. I support Israel as a Christian and I will be visiting Israel with a Christian tour in October. God bless you! You are in my prayers always!
10. Thanks to the Christian Community
grateful ,   Israel   (08.09.06)
God bless u all ..understanding that the kids need a break, they are going stir crazy after 4 weeks at home, never venturing out. Ispeak from personal experience. I hope that the Lebanese people are getting the same help fm their christian counterparts. Lebanese people you should have stuck to Christianity...
11. Loony leftist American Jews
Eytan ,   Surfside   (08.10.06)
When you think that a vast majority of secular leftist American Jews only have contempt for Evangelical Christians... If only they could do half of what the ICEJ is doing for Israel. Thank you and G.d bless.
12. Christian values at its best! Thank you so much.
Dani ,   Israel   (08.10.06)
13. To Eytan
Shiksa ,   California   (08.10.06)
Yes, there is a lot of hostility against Evangelical Christians, but as a Christian, I have to say I do understand it. To our great shame, people in history who called themselves "Christian" were often horribly anti-semitic. Many Protestants like to blame the Catholics, but the sad fact is that there is lots of blame to spread around. For instance, there are things that Martin Luther said that sound like they emanated from the mouth of Hitler. The good news is that Christians are owning up to this sordid past and teaching other Christians about the terrible history of anti-semitism within Christianity and also teaching about the Hebraic roots of Christianity. The disconnect from our roots is largely to blame for anti-semitism. It's only by owning up to our history that we Christians can learn. I think the Muslims will some day also have to own up to a lot of bad things that they are now promulgating in the name of their religion.
14. thank you christians
shlomi ,   haifa, israel   (08.10.06)
Thank you so much for everything.... God bless !!!!!
15. #9 sandra thanx for ur support
appreciative ,   Israel   (08.10.06)
Hope that by the time u get here things will have settled down.. have a safe journed and G-d be with u..and your family...
16. THANK YOU BROTHER CHRISTIANS!
aaron ,   ra'anana   (08.10.06)
Israel is a pluralistic state where religious practice is not restricted. The muslims wish to destroy the west and christianity whereas the jews would simply like to live in peace
17. Christian Friends of Israel
Mike ,   Karkur, Israel   (08.10.06)
In our hour of need, I salute you Christians who come to our aid. Even though there has been an awful lot of painful history beween Christians and Jews, I much prefer a Christian West to a Post Christian West. When you have an erosion of Judeo-Christian values and replace them with non-values, as is happening in the West, barbarian ideologies step in to fill the vacuum. Hence Hizballah and their like. God Bless you all!
18. Mary Magdaline was a prostitute, but thanks for the cash.
(08.10.06)
19. to #13. They have no excuse
Eytan ,   Surfside FL   (08.10.06)
Thanks for your answer. Thankefully came Vatican 2 and the great pope John Paul 2. These loony secular liberal Jews are not hostile to Christians only, they also despise Religious Jews so I believe they have no excuse. Rather than focusing on supporting Israel like the Evangeliclas, they were out for the only observant Jew in the US Senate. Believe me they have no excuse. Thanks for your support of Israel. All my respect for Pat Robertson.
20. ICEJ Helps
Norit ,   Mission, BC Canada   (08.10.06)
Thank you ICEJ for your consistent standing with Israel. You put the Christian Embassy in Jerusalem in 1981 when all other embassies left for Tel Aviv. You've had the courage to stick with us, even when we weren't so nice to be around. May your reward be great. Thank you for helping to keep the country together. Thank you for taking care of the children. Bless you.
21. Torah is about practice
Paqid 16, Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.10.06)
I fully expected to see a lot of hate-mongering Jews - like #1 - abusing well-meaning Christians. But no, most postings I've read so far are from reasonable Jews. Kol ha-kavod (all the honor) to the reasonable Jews who have posted their thanks and kol ha-kavod to the Christians who are doing this mitzvah. Christians are misinformed theologically - and I'll continue to do my best to help them see the Torah that the Pharisee Ribi from Nazareth taught instead of 4th-century Roman Hellenist paganism - but in this instance, their practice is a lot closer to Torah than Jews who spew hatred. Todah (thank you). Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
22. To Eytan (again)
Shiksa ,   California   (08.10.06)
I agree with you completely, except.... I had to smile because I'm not a big fan of Pat Robertson :-) But he's not all bad, though he can be quite an embarrassment at times. I guess the point is that every religion has its good and bad people, its extremists and its moderates. It's always best to judge people as individuals instead of to label them based on a group they belong to. Best wishes, and hope you don't get so many hurricanes in FLA this year.
23. We have been blessed...
Follower of Christ ,   Illinois, USA   (08.10.06)
We have been extremely blessed by our blessing of Israel (Gen 12:3). I thank you Israel and God bless!
24. Reclaiming Har HaBeit
John ,   Every City   (08.10.06)
Read "Reclaiming The Temple Mount" a New Book by David Ha'ivri, order it today from www.revava.org a must read for every lover of Israel.
25. PAQID #21 ACCORDING TO HIS WEB SITE
DACON9   (08.11.06)
IS A FORMER BAPTIST MINISTER HE IS TRYING TO BRIDGE OR MORE CORRECTLY """BLUR""" THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN JUDAISM AND THE THE JEUS PEOPLE. as you can see.. welcoming non jews and critising jews that have a strong faith in TORAH and from thousands of years of bad experience to this very day, PAQID calls THEM hate mongering is ACTUALLY A PROTECTION OF THEIR jewish souls from these peoples proselytizing and door to door cons and inundated with jeus literature to persuade us believers in TORAH, whether we practice as a hasid or practice loosely WE ARE BELIEVERS IN TORAH AND NEED NO OTHERS TO TEACH US. I LOOK TO THE MOUNTAINS... WHERE SHOULD MY HELP COME FROM? MY HELP COMES FROM YOU MY ""GD OF ISRAEL'' 2nd commandment ''HAVE NO OTHER GDS BEFORE ME JUDAISM IS CLEARLY TOLD BY THE ''ONE GD OF ISRAEL''' TO SEPERATE FROM OTHER NATIONS. WHAT EVER THIS PAQID SAYS IS BY TORAH LAW, TO BE DISMISSED, AND TO BEWARE OF HIM.
26. Netzarim/Paqid follow Torah
William Haworth ,   West Vancouver   (08.11.06)
Paqid Ben-David teaches non-selective torah-observance and adherance to the authority of established batei din. Netzarim denounce all forms of assimilationism and non-Torah movements in strong and certain terms. The Netzarim agree with and teach the principles of Ramba"m. They advocate non-selective Torah-observance, attendance at established orthodox batei knesset, and submission to established batei din. Therefore DACON9's comments must be dismissed--the Netzarim follow established halakhah. I challenge anyone to find anything in Paqid Ben-David's teachings contrary to halakha.
27. Netzarim are halakhically acceptable
(08.11.06)
The attitude faced by a group known as the נצרים is all too common everywhere in human discourse: people make snap judgements about issues without learning the facts involved, and when presented with the facts, refuse to believe them out of what can only be arrogance (which is, essentially, fear). This is the attitude conservatives face when dealing with liberals, and the problem creating the current inability of the State of Israel (and the West) to defeat its Islamo-fascist enemies. This is the attitude which enabled Christianity and Islam and other non-Torah religions to develop. And, sadly, it's the attitude which anti-missionary groups appear to take towards the נצרים. I use the word "sadly" because, while these groups are well-intentioned in protecting יהודים from apostasy, they ignore the benefit re-integrating the historical ריבי יהושע into normative Torah-observant Judaism presents. Modern secular scholarship has determined and accepted that ריבי יהושע was a Torah-observant Jew who preached non-selective Torah-observance. This is not some outlandish claim that is only held by a select few religious figures. One need only look at the voluminous and widely-accepted oeuvres of scholars like Bart Ehrman, Bruce Chilton, E. P. Sanders, and even Jacob Neusner. These men researched and wrote, and still research and write at well-known universities, including Bard College, Duke University, and Brown University. They are published by well-respected academic publishers. E. P. Sanders, author of the widely-acclaimed and prize-winning (as the best book on its subject matter published in the 1980s) Jesus and Palestinian Judaism, was awarded an honorary doctorate by Oxford University. So, when פקיד ירמיהו בן דוד writes that ריבי יהושע was a Torah-observant Jew who preached non-selective Torah-observance and that everyone on earth should emulate him, and anti-missionaries state that the נצרים teach the complete opposite and that ריבי יהושע is the same as Jesus, the anti-missionaries' argument is not with the נצרים alone, but also with an awesome amount of secular brainpower as well. The anti-missionary characterization can only be described as anti-intellectual. When they subsequently accuse Christianity and "Messianic Jewish" groups of being anti-intellectual, they go beyond anti-intellectualism and become hypocritical. The benefit to Orthodox Judaism and its anti-missionaries of re-integrating the historical ריבי יהושע into normative Torah-observant Judaism is avoidance of hypocritical anti-intellectual argumentation. Additionally, it is to gain the unhypocritical use of the intellectual work of those secular scholars to bolster their case against belief in an anomian or even anti-nomian Jesus. One must ask what anti-missionaries are so afraid of in the נצרים. Is it a scrupulous adherence to the logical pursuit of religious truth? Is it that the נצרים preach non-selective Torah observance to the whole world? Is it that the נצרים, like רמב”ם, accept that one must investigate what one is taught, reject what is illogical and accept what is logical, trusting that 'ה is deliberate and not capricious? All the הסכמות in the world will not satisfy those who reject logic (after all, the נצרים have one from a ראשון לציון, and it has not served to quiet anti-intellectual mockers—about which 'תהילים א has something to say).
28. DACON9
(08.11.06)
It is a serious offence against halakha to remind a ger of his past once he has become a Jew.
29. RE:28,27,26 and Dacon9
USA   (08.19.06)
This is true if the GER becomes a Jew in his heart. Paqid is a Maisit!! Deut. 13:1 thru 13:12. Paqid will never be a REAL JEW, he will always be a Southern Baptist Christian. His Leader Albert Mohler has instructed Paqid to create as much strife as possible among Christians and Jews. In hopes to eradicate all real Jews.
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