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A year after Disengagement: Was it worth it?
Rosen, Petrushka
Published: 16.08.06, 17:17
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1. The People's Voice "volunteers" were paid
Ilan ,   Ariel   (08.16.06)
A fake shadow group with paid sponsors hired teenagers to distribute ribbons, but otherwise the People's Voice was only a puppet organization to the Kadima's coporate interests. It is the underhanded sneakiness of people like Petrushka , in that they use their wealth to create the false impression that they have public support that is the greatest danger to our democracy. That they are also ready to "sell out" the dossim is just keeping in character.
2. Framing Arguments
I Hate Idiots   (08.16.06)
Anyone can frame an argument - that doesn't mean they're pronouncements of the possible outcomes are founded in reality. The settlers east of the fence will be forced to come to grips with reality and move? Or, given time and changing Israeli demographics - or even a moderate shift in public opinion - the wall can be taken down or moved eastwards to include them.
3. What this "lefty's" blood alchol level?!?!
adam ,   usa   (08.16.06)
they are still hostile firing rockets killing our people/soldiers. Those rockets are suposed to kill our men women children. Israel gained nothing and lost imensly with the gaza "juden rein" disengagement. Want to do the same in the west bank. Tel aviv is just a few seconds away by rocket. How fast can Tel aviv'niks run? looks all set to find out "KADIMA YISRAEL"?!?!?!
4. Truth
James Biga ,   Colorado Springs USA   (08.16.06)
Honorable Rabbi, I am sorry to say that you are ignoring facts. International support is NOT on the side of Israel. You haven't had nor do you have now a legitimate partner for peace. You are surrounded by nations that wish and act for your annihilation. Pulling out of Gaza was seen as a victory by Hamas thus leading to the situation you have there. Israel acted in good faith, albeit naively, and n return you received abductions, rockets, and death. There was not going to be a Bilateral agreement with the PA that wasn't overly advantageous to the PA. Israel has continued to sacrifice for no gain. DO NOT rely on the International Community to decide what is legitimate or not. History proves that the International Community has failed millions of people. Israelis have created an oasis out of the desert. Now it is being taken away a piece at a time. At some point you will have to regret your actions. Hopefully it wont be too late.
5. This is ridiculous...
Yaakov ,   USA   (08.17.06)
In light of recent events in Gaza and Lebanon, do we regret our support for disengagement? In light of the Qassams raining down on the Negev, events at Kerem Shalom and the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit, should we refuse to evacuate territory? In light of the war in Lebanon is it clear we should not compromise? The answer to these questions is "no." ... and the answer to you is BURN IN HELL, you stupid idiot! With any luck, you house will be hit next. I want to see what you will be saying then.
6. case of debilitating schizophrenia
Michael ,   Jerusalem   (08.17.06)
pragmatic forces-Lebanese government? Shame on you. You live in a dream. Wake up!
7. Dar al Harb
Bezalel ,   Tel Aviv   (08.17.06)
Islam can only be at peace when all lands are ruled by Sharia Law. That means YOUR LAND wherever you are, east, west, north,south. Makes no diff whether Jew, Christian, Hindu, atheist, leftist, liberal,communist, socialist, woman's libber, gay, lesbo, sunni, shiite..you will live under Sharia Law or you must wake up now. Disengagement, convergence, UN resolutions, peace plans...all bullshit. These Islamofascists are sinlemindedly out to win. Either wake up, stand up and face them and brutally destroy them or they will win. Only merciless destruction of their cities will win us peace and freedom. Sorry to say it, but look at history. No peace comes about without victory at war.
8. Giving Israel to terrorists
ely greenhut ,   Jerusalem Israel   (08.17.06)
First The Sinai peninsular. Last year the Gaza Strip. Soon it will be Jerusalem, Tel Aviv & Haifa. By the time I will want to take a vacation somewhere overseas I will be traveling with Arafat Airlines. There is no such word as peace with the Palestinians. The peace agreement with Egypt will not last once Mubarick retires as their president. Face the painful truth, all the Arabs really want are pieces, pieces of Israel not-- peace. Israel should have never given away an inch of land it captured fair & square in 1967. When Argentina took the Falkland island in 1982 England raced its army to recapture the Falklands. There was no UN or for that matter anyone else who dared to stop England. In the 1800s The USA Killed & destroyed a culture of the peaceful American indians & also captured the Alamo from Mexico. Nobody would dare tell The USA to return the Alamo to Mexico or of its torturing of the American Indians. The Arab countries are the ones that do not want Israel to exist, they started 5 wars against Israel so why should Israel give away any of the land it captured?? There will never be peace with our Palestinian neighbors. They want Israel to be destroyed . End of story
9. Yaakov - USA,
Yisraela ,   Israel   (08.17.06)
How dare you! You should stay in the US and shut up.
10. Coincidence
Oleg ,   Milwaukee, USA   (08.17.06)
Is this a coincidence – in Russian native fairy tales the name Petrushka is a name for a Puppet clown. Unbelievable, but the author has exactly the same name and acts like a puppet clown. Does he really believe what he is saying? You know when you lost, not now – you lost when you have signed Oslo agreement. You have lost when Barak run away from Lebanon deceiving his friends there, even leaving weapons behind. You’ve lost when you listen what France will say or Human Rights will say or whoever will say but not you. You have lost when you run away from Gaza without anything in return. There are no moderates in Gaza and West Bank – they all are your enemies and all want you to die. There is nobody to talk to there. How can you still not understand this? And now again you have deceived Lebanese people, leaving them no other opportunity, but be an Islamic Pro Iranian state (do not lie to yourself that is what you’ve got). Your cabinet, bunch of clowns, has to be put on trial for what they have not done.
11. Mr. Petrushka is in a desperate need of psychiatric help.
AK   (08.17.06)
Somehow I don't think just reading "The Oslo Syndrome" is likely to have any effect on him. The man is clearly delusional; no reasonable argument will have any chance of getting through to him. Unfortunately he and people like him are in a position to hurt many innocent Israelis and destroy the entire country. Get him into treatment, fast.
12. Go Kadima !!!
Secular Sabra   (08.17.06)
Do what you were voted in to do !! End the occupation , and rid us of the messianic madmen who are no better than Hizbullah .
13. To #12 - I have a GREAT suggestion....
Z Lando ,   Tekoa Israel   (08.17.06)
This reminds me of a joke I tell when I say I look like Brad Pitt... of course, I have two eyes just like him... I have two ears, two legs..... You say we are like the Hizbollah??? I suggest you take two weeks off - come to Tekoa for one week, the next week, go live with the Hizbollah in Baal Bek. After that, write again and tell us just how we are similar.
14. be honest
amin ,   bita   (08.17.06)
in withdrowal from lebanon and gaza be honest in two points first did lebaneese or palastinians power had effect on your decision seconddo you think that hizballa or hamass are terrorist i mea they are not define their people and lands yes ,,i know that they wish to rub israil from the map ,,but it is a wish but in neotiation do you tink they will ask this demand //i think no ..becouse of this they want indirect negotiation .and i was astonished by israil why it preferthe indirect .to me iam with my friend hmad .he has not a friend but an israili man work with him look to him as an ordinary israili one his name is moshea and ahmad used to ask ..where moshea will go if we take all the land so i spport two states but ask the justice to both people at lest in the lands
15. a year after disengagement
john ,   australia   (08.17.06)
disengage from olmert this was a tragedy allowed in the name of peace. lebanon seems tike the payback
16. It seems that the left will wake up when it is to late
N B Shalom   (08.17.06)
Just Imagine if the arabs would have won the six day war what would have happen to the Jews in Eretz Israel. Just Imagine that after the six day war we would allow the palestinians to flee as they wanted to and not cuddle them to stay. Just Imagine we would settle all the lands immediately after the six day war. After all was it not a gift from the almighty to the Jews. But the elite of Israel thought it was their might and smarts. But then came the Yom Kipur war and for the first day we doubted our might and smarts but with the almighties help we were victorious. Again we were fooled that we are smart ones so we went to camp david and we gave up so much strategic land with oil for a piece of paper. Then came the Gush Katif expulsion with all its cruelty to our brothers and gave the land to terrorist. This is what Sharon said The purpose of the Disengagement Plan is to reduce terror as much as possible, and grant Israeli citizens the maximum level of security...These steps will increase security for the residents of Israel and relieve the pressure on the IDF and security forces in fulfilling the difficult tasks they are faced with. The Disengagement Plan is meant to grant maximum security and minimize friction between Israelis and Palestinians. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon Herzliya Conference December 18, 2003 He should have never turned to politics. What a disaster But what we got is Hamas in power Kasams raining in to ashkelon,kidnaped soldiers smugling of weapons to terrorist and finaly the Hizbalah emboldened And we could not defeat the Hizballah. Time to wake up and recognise that there is a Baal Habayis to this world time to listen what Hashem says in shulchan Aruch that it is forbidden to give back an Iota of land. Reflect and do teshuva.
17. Rewarding Murder: The GLOBAL VILLAGE RAISED these TERRORISTS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (08.17.06)
10,000 Jews in Gaza and north Samaria were viciously rendered jobless and homeless for enemies sworn to Israel's destruction. Muslims celebrated their great victory by desecrating and destroying sacred Gaza synagogues. Impoverished Jewish refugees are financially obligated to pay mortgages on their destroyed homes. Exchanging Jewish land for war, Global Islamic Terror State One was installed in Gaza with an Al Qaeda and Hizbullah presence. Iranian Revolutionary Guard units train Fatah and Hamas in the Jew-cleansed areas of Gaza. In the land for war, Jew-cleansed areas of global terrorist paradise Gaza, Islamists fire a daily, incessant barrage of rockets on the defenseless Jews of Sderot and Ashkelon. IT TOOK THE GLOBAL VILLAGE TO RAISE THESE TERRORISTS. The Palestinian Authority/PLO terrorist organization's bank accounts and war chests are filled with billions of American and European tax dollars. The PA/PLO were never expected to create farms and businesses with their finances, long hours, and hard work. All of this was to be done for them by the Jewish victims of their terrorism. The wealthy PLO/Palestinian Authority terrorist organization were given wonderful gifts of Jewish land, thousands of high-tech greenhouses, and hundreds of farms of the Jews the terrorists attacked and murdered. In psychological terms, it is known as positive reinforcement - rewarding behavior that is considered desirable. Murders, pogroms, genocides. Deportations. The stealing of Jewish land and assets is the way Jews have always been treated. Aiding and abetting Islamic terrorism, instead of opposing it, Israel's leaders will go to war, Amona style, against the hated Jews of Judea and Samaria in a ruthless ethnic Jew cleansing on behalf of PA/PLO, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hizbullah, Al-Qaida terrorists, who will be gifted Jewish land and assets in an immoral surrender to global jihadists - advancing the openly stated Islamo-Fascist goal of Jewish annihilation and global Islamic conquest. Amona - February 1, 2006 - Israel's police went to war against Jewish innocents instead of going to war against Muslim terrorists. http://www.IsraelNationalNews.com/Must-Watch
18. Sickening
Adam ,   USA   (08.17.06)
Those that still beleive in disengagement and the need for international support should just shoot themselves in the head right now! Do you really think the international community cares about Israel or Israeli's? HELL NO! Do you seriosuly think disengagement has improved Israel's security? Well if you do then you seriously have some very big problems in your head!
19. amin, be honest
AK   (08.17.06)
Do you mean that when Arabs say that they wish to destroy Israel, they don't mean it? Then why do they try to stick a knife into any Jewish back they can find? If Muslims say they want to take over the world to impose sharia, they don't mean it? Then why non- Muslims are being attacked from Nigeria to Indonesia (come to this, you can actually say the US to Indonesia, considereing Muslim attacks in the US.) When Arabs say they want to destroy Israel, I believe them. When Muslim say that they want to take over the world, whether by jihad or conversion, I believe them. BTW, when you speak of the two states solution, since you already have Jordan, which is "one Palestinian state" do you actually want the other 1/3 of Palestine, the one with the Intel R&D and Teva?
20. Where do these lefty idiots come from?
YDB   (08.17.06)
I hope no one hires these people to run there business, or even any operation in their business. Clearly they have NO BRAINS & can’t learn a lesson even if it was repeated 100 times I just want too know, when if any policy of the lefty ideology came to help or secure Israel or even any of the western countries? Answer is = NEVER
21. linda and ak
amin ,   aman   (08.18.06)
i wish you good evening //becouse it is not morning ......believe me it is evening ///but sure not dark yet
22. He works for the PA
Shlomo ,   USA   (08.19.06)
In this guys view all of Israel is filled with settlements "settlements in the north"
23. The Bee and the Spider
termite   (08.19.06)
conspired and now the hizbullies have fire. Not a word can be added or subtracted from the loony world view. Learn and respect. Both books can sit on the same shelf but politicians and leaders in funny hats make terrible bookends. Halal and Kosher can be served on the same plate. Try a bite.
24. Since GAZA SURRENDER to TERRORISTS Many JEWS UNJUSTLY JAILED
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (08.20.06)
israelnationalnews.com Children Challenge the System by Moshe Dann Aug 14, '06 / 20 Av 5766 This month, two 15-year-old girls, Oriah Shirel and Iska Federman, were released from N'vei Tirza, a maximum security prison in Israel, where they had been kept for eight weeks. Their crime: participating in a demonstration in a neighborhood of Hebron, where they live. Oriya was not charged with any violence or attempted violence; Iska was charged with throwing stones, but there is no proof. Oriah and Iska had come to protest the Israeli government's decision to rebuild a wall abutting the Jewish neighborhood of Avraham Avinu and a playground. On the other side of the wall is an Arab home from which Jews have been attacked... ...Since the evacuation of Jews from their communities in Gaza and northern Samaria, hundreds of Jews have been jailed, some for months, for minor misdemeanors, civil disobedience - many without charges or trials. Recently, in anticipation of the government's unilateral withdrawal from Judea and Samaria, scores of "activists", most with families, have been jailed or given orders preventing them from living in the areas to be evacuated. Hebron, specifically, has had a history of alleged police discrimination against Jews for many years... http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=6464
25. Dialogue???
Nancy Shlomo ,   Pittsburgh, PA   (08.20.06)
I know Jews love to talk, but have you forgotten that Arabs don't?? When you speak about "dialogue with the moderates", have you forgotten that the moderates lost the election to Hamas that we ourselves encouraged? Good morning? Are you still leaving in a dream world of thinking your neighbors to be peaceloving?? How many more katyushas will have to fall before you finally get it??Wake up... before it is too late!!
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