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The first Photoshop war
Gal Mor
Published: 17.08.06, 20:24
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61. stop beating around the bush
hadi ,   lebanon   (08.18.06)
so the problem is the posing rescue worker and not the dead children?
62. You all guys make meh sick #4
Ali ,   Lebanon   (08.18.06)
Lebanon is surly destroyed But how can the isralien ppl hide it's fail and the destruction he made By sayin that photos of Quana were edited i dont denie that they might be some photos edited like reuters ones but surely not those of quanas or the other massacres or the big destructio that u idiot and stupid ppl did!!!!!!!
63. to comment 61 + 62
Sven ,   Stockholm, Sweden   (08.18.06)
Lebanon is not destroyed. That is false propaganda and you know it even better than we do - It was a media festival orchastrated by Hizbollah, but the matter of fact is that 99% of the targets destroyed WERE, in fact, related to Hizbollah (and in most cases where civilians were killed - it was due to the use of them as human shields). Beirut is thriving - anybody who bothers to check this knows its true (only the 2 Hizbollah suburbs were bombed and their HQ downtown). The airport is running, and the refugees are coming back to their homes who are still there untoucheD (unless they had a missile stash under them, but then you can hardly blame Israel for nocking those out). The number of dead is ridiculous too - Not collaborated in any meaningful way, and every person counted as "civilian dead" when its obvious that many of those are hizbollah people (who were no uniform and hide between civilians). Blame your peoples cowardice for the damage that has been done - had you been able to take care of your own country, Israel would not have needed to do it for you.
64. Photoshop Wars
Mark Lyndon ,   London   (08.18.06)
This is a thoughtful, refelctive piece. It is worth adding, however, that Eureferendum.com deserve credit for producing a veritable tour de force in exposing some very dubious practices in mainstream journalism and the subsequent fierce resistance to uncomfortable truths.
65. #52 & 61
meg ,   Israel   (08.18.06)
who is doing the spitting???? Seems this "rescue worker" shows up quiet often, just changing his helmet colour. Whoever/whatever he is, he is disgusting, (be he rescue worker or war time actor,) to do what he did with a dead child.
66. why the fake photos matter
Mark ,   USA   (08.18.06)
It calls into question the news that comes out of the the battle zone when the source is from arabs. In Qana we heard 60 deaths-then 50-now 28. Nobody says people were not killed. But when you lie to elicit greater sympathy nothing you say can be trusted. When we hear, 1000 civilian deaths we know that is bull sh-t, that half were probably terrorist Since hizbo. won't release numbers on how many of their fighters were killed and Israel does release that info about civilian vs soldiers killed most people know who to believe - hint - not the group faking photos and inflating ( lying ) the number of people killed.
67. Islam is killing their own people brutally
Islamic culture   (08.18.06)
These are real photos, not forged. "NOT FOR SENSITIVE PEOPLE." http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/esteri/palestinese-esecuzione/1.html
68. better to kill them young than have them grow up
jeff ,   seattle   (08.19.06)
look, it's a fact, if you kill a muslim terrorist before they can kill you, you will be ahead of the game, and live to kill another terrorist tomorrow
69. Killing WHO?
wouter termote ,   Brussels Belgium   (08.18.06)
I was reading next blog and what was a conclusion? http://harryzzz.blogspot.com/2006/08/fotos-uit-bent-jbail-de-onderstaande.html Poeple that didn't left the destroyed cities were mostly elderly , sick poeple that couldn't move. Children. Seeking shelter in their own homes. These were killed. Civilisation at it's best. Using weapons like cluster bombs. A gift from Bush? Nice, are you hapy if every day, for years to come children will be killed by your forbidden weapons. You may realy be proud to use such weapons, just like the US used depleted uranium in Iraq. Israel may be so proud of its achievement. They have surely won. Yes hesbolla search for shelter between houses. But the Israeli army south shelter by using rockets, warplanes, tanks that could kill at miles distance. Yes I think you may me very proud on your achievement. I get tears in my eyes. Just go on killing poeple who lived there for thousands of years in peace near the jews. Why are they poor and the jews live in luxury? Are their lives counting for less? How many times less?
70. #To Fed Up in Haifa
Jefanna ,   Chesapeake, VA   (08.19.06)
I think we are becoming more fed up here in America. Even with 9/11 and attempts at blowing up airlines since than, we just do not live as close as you do to the threat. I think that slowly the American mentality is changing though. We realize it is not a passing thing. Even if we were not fighting a war in Iraq, extremists would use an excuse to try and stop our way of life. I do not like those that bang the war drums just to hear them, but I think we are realizing the threat. We are not at the bomb shelters yet. I can only imagine and it is not a stretch. May God be with you.
71. # 29 Amen.
Jefanna ,   Chesapeake, USA   (08.19.06)
72. #66 good point
Citizen ,   USA   (08.18.06)
#66 Great analysis! If there have been lies/fabrications and faking photos by media on the Lebanon side, why should anyone believe any of it at all, unless they were there to witness it themselves. Maybe NO children were killed at all!
73. STOP TELLING LIES
Lebanese ,   Lebanon   (08.19.06)
all over the world ,everybody already knows the criminal & barbaric nature of IDF ,so we need no photoshops or to prove this because all human rights organizations,UN , redcross ,greenpeace see this everyday in Ghaza,westbank & Lebanon
74. Not The First
cayce ,   usa   (08.19.06)
It's not the first time, and it won't be the last. Maybe it's the first time it's gotten coverage in Israel? It happened in Iraq a couple of years ago. It must also be said that just because photos were manipulated doesn't mean nobody suffered. That's naive.
75. the israeli photoshop
omar ,   lebanon, beirut   (08.19.06)
a country has been destroyed and you are talking about some photoshop images.... why don't you write about how the israeli goverment was hiding the truth from journalists and the world.....that 's photoshop too...don't you think?
76. There are 1 million true photos
bassel ,   Lebanon   (08.19.06)
I wonder how only this photo attracted your attention while there are thousands and may be more of photos which show the brutality and ruthlessness of the attacks where thousands of civilains were killed and injured and houses and other civilain premises destroyed. I hope those real photos will attract your attnetion and revise the policy of your country.We all want peace.
77. Why the photos matter, Part II - #72, 73
Mark ,   USA   (08.19.06)
As I said in Part I " nobody says that people were not killed". When photos are faked ( altered or staged ) to elicit greater sympathy it clearly proves that those lying are wrong. the truth isn't proved by lying. I've read on these message boards that people don't believe there are fake photos, even after the news agencies apologized and removed them, even after the photographer admitted faking them. How do debate with someone who does not accept the truth. When people alter photos, stage photos ( i.e. carrying dead babies around and placing them in different blast sites, people laying down at blast scenes to appear dead, putting mickey mouse toys on top of rubble to give the impression children were present when they were not ), inflating kill numbers. I know that when telling the TRUTH you don't have to 1) fake photos to create greater sympathy 2) inflate - lie - about how many people are killed, to create greater sympathy 3) to stage photos like a hollywood movie of people acting dead or upset, to create greater sympathy. Put simply the TRUTH cannot be told by lying. thats why fake photos matter!!!
78. The old "fake but accurate" defense (e.g. 72, 73, 76)
sk ,   USA   (08.19.06)
I remember a similar defense of the "60 Minutes" fake memo relating to Bush's National Guard service. "Well, uh, it may have been a forgery, but it still accurately portrays Bush's service." Except that it didn't. Jenin was no genocidal rampage. The coverage, with many of the same key players (including Kofi Annan), was one big lie. Hollywood can easily create such illusions, and so can Pallywood and Hezbollywood. I have no doubt that some moppets were blown up in Lebanon - after all, Hezbollah uses human shields to make sure this happens - but the real question is whether the IDF personnel "vacationed" by going to a neighborhood nursery school that was NOT used to shield terrorists (there must be one somewhere in Lebanon) and incinerated little boys and girls for fun. Plenty of Lebanese think so, apparently.
79. A worthwhile article by Joel Mowbray
sk ,   USA   (08.20.06)
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23933
80. How do Debate?
Mark Lyndon ,   London   (08.21.06)
You don't debate. "Their arguments, not being based in reason, cannot be swayed by reason."
81. number 25 and so on
doctor ruth ,   chiracland   (08.21.06)
MAYBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE your real name is mohamed goebbels ? MAYBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you need help ?
82. Moe, you cant deny
Nikki ,   England   (08.23.06)
that you would not protect your home when someone threatens your safety in your own home Moe. Killing is never good. No side wins. Just to keep you informed (am sure you probably know already) Hezbollah killed 159 Israelis, injured 4262 civilians, ruined 6000 homes and hid behind children, and civilians to protect themselves.
83. Where do you place YOUR skepticism?
DaveTex ,   Mesquite, Dallas   (08.23.06)
This is just like the 'FALSE INTEL' they gripe at Bush about. We hear that BUSH KNEW intel was bad or he, or his allies, 'COOKED' it. Oddly enough we never hear how President Clinton made nearly identical statements on the threat of Iraq and the terrorists it supported. By the way, didn't the Clinton Administration hand down their same intel to Bush in the trassition period? Could Bill Clinton have lied? Heavens, No! He was only PROVEN to have lied under oath in a sexual harassment case, not like that matters or anything.
84. Israel coverage of destruction.....
DaveTex ,   Mesquite, Dallas   (08.23.06)
I agree, the coverage of this is stupid. Hizbollah ONLY barged into Israel, Killed and kidnapped Israeli Soldiers, Shot HUNDREDS of missiles into CIVILIAN areas and those damned Israelis have the gall to try and destroy the Hizbollah forces, who by the way, hide AMONG civilians and DRESS LIKE CIVILIANS, and when israel kills civilians they are to blame. I think everyone who picks a fight should hide behind women and children, so that when a child or mother gets hurt, you can blame the other guy for his actions.
85. FEELINGS!!!
DaveTex2375 ,   Mesquite, Dallas   (08.23.06)
I am greatly sorry about your loss Safir. I am greatly sorry that Yassar Arafat recieved large sums of money from the U.N and the world to help the Palestinian people but only bought guns and enriched his own life. Also, I am sorry that there are arabs of all varieties whithin Israel who have PEACEFULLY co-existed and prospered within the society. I am incredibly sorry that there are many of your brothers who hate Israel more than the children they strap bombs to or the women they hide behind so as to stir the weak minded with pictures of innocent dead of their own making. If I make acts of aggression, I should be prepared for RETALIATION and not hide like a coward behind a defenseless child who has no choice in the matter.
86. Lebanon.....
DaveTex ,   Mesquite, Dallas   (08.23.06)
You are making too much sense!!! Liberals, Pacifists, and Islamo-Fascists are having a hemmorage(if they could read the entierity of your statement) trying to tackle such a logical idea using their convoluted logic. AMEN!!!
87. Killing!!!
DaveTex ,   Mesquite, dallas   (08.23.06)
My uncle went to belfast and was approached by a mad who asked him 'ARE YOU PROESTANT, OR CATHOLIC' not wanting to start a fight or be killed he said 'I'M JEWISH' to which the man replied 'DAMN, I'M THE LUCKIEST MUSLIM IN IRELAND!!!
88. Man in many pics.
DaveTex ,   Mesquite, Dallas Tex   (08.23.06)
Of course, those Israelis must have photoshopped him in to disprove them. I am predicting this on the KOOK BLOGS. Make sure to wear your tin-foil hat.
89. Are you Counting.......
DaveTex ,   Mesquite, DallasTex   (08.23.06)
I have not counted the babies killed in Lebanon, but I tell you what. I will if you count the weapons found in or under the houses bombed. That or you can count the nuber of Israeli weapons hid in their civilians houses. take option 2, that will be MUCH quicker.
90. Launchers....
DaveTex ,   Mesquite, DallasTex   (08.23.06)
The 'LAUNCHERS' claimed by Israel are actually 'YARD ART' which is a common practice in many rural areas in the U.S.. How the Israelis manipulate the 'LIKENESS' of these common items is stunning. They only do this to give an excuse to kill people. ; P
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