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Fighting for Jerusalem
Noa Raz
Published: 04.09.06, 19:27
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1. Why can't gays be like normal people
Antonio ,   Haifa   (09.04.06)
and restrict their sexual activities to their bedrooms and night clubs? It's not "hatered" to expect them to be conform to social norms.
2. Gays Want To Offend Jews!!!!!!
(09.04.06)
Andrew Friedman, writing for Ynet last week, said he asked JOH head Noa Sattah why the parade is not routed through the Muslim and Christian quarters of Jerusalem. "We don’t want to offend them [the Arabs]," she explained, to which Friedman responded, “But many Jews are also offended by the march. Seems to me that means you are careful not to offend Arab residents, but feel it is your right to offend Jewish ones.” Friedman wrote that Sattah's "silence in response was deafening." http://arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=111294
3. You are the reason
ilana   (09.04.06)
Israel is facing total extinction at this hour. You said:"The kind of good kids that serve as instructors at youth groups and volunteer for a year of service, quietly, without anyone knowing." May you NEVER instruct our children in you perversions which is your agenda. How about a "parade" in Beruit?
4. Gay parades
Sam ,   Canada   (09.04.06)
Gay people walk around Jerusalem like everyone else. The point of a parade then is what?How does forcing yourself on people make you more acceptable to them?
5. Ynet, what's the obsession?
LEE ,   NY, USA   (09.04.06)
It seems eerie how many articles Ynet has been publishing regarding every little peep that comes out of the gay community. Why the obssesion with being a mouthpiece and an open mic for this heinous misguided group? Is their some flaming editor or executive that's abusing this news platform for his personal agenda or has this site simply become a tabloid? Enough, we get it, the gays want to be respected and promoted while carrying a huge chip on their shoulder. You can move on now and bring us some real new news.
6. Go away sodomites!
marya ,   sacramento, USA   (09.04.06)
Go away to Tel Aviv where they will welcome you with open arms. Stay away from Jerusalem because you are not welcome in your lewd attire and depraved behavior. Who can guarantee your safety with religious Jews, Christians and Muslims enflamed because of your ignorant selfishness? I would ask you to stay the hell away from Israel altogether but I know you have no thought or feeling for others because you sodomites suffer from extreme, destructive narcissism... You chose Israel for a reason -- to rub the face of the religious in your debauchery. Now go away - GO AWAY!
7. To #1Antonio
ilana   (09.04.06)
Why can't they be normal? Read the article again. These people do NOT want anyone telling them what to do or where to do it. This is the root drive for their agenda. They resist social norms. They resist - REJECT- Torah. They make the choice to be as perverted as possible to rebel against moral norms. I retired from a position where I met many of these kind. Without exception, each one had psychological issues with an abuser, either in the immidate household or someone they knew. They do NOT want to face their problems and deal with them. They use their "lifestyle" to punish society for their cowardice. It is all about choice and they continue to choose the path to destruction - their own. They aren't satisfied with that. They want to indoctrinate our youth as well. They do not want to offend? That is nonsense. They are fearful of going into the muslim and christian communities, as well as they should be. We cannot allow thim to parade their perversion in J'lem! This would be one more blow to normal society, a punishment for the misery the "gays" feel. This cannot happen.
8. Ynet: You need to find a different editor
Moshe ,   Jerusalem   (09.04.06)
9. # 2 Why ?
ivki   (09.04.06)
Why to offend judaism is not a problem, for Noa ? Because there is no greater antisemite than a jew him/her self ! Here we have yet another "modern" israeli self hater
10. stop parading your sexuality around
Michal Gutman-Schwar ,   Brooklyn New York   (09.04.06)
I really don't care to hear how sad it is that you are not being respected. How about respecting the majority of pple who don't want your perversions encrouching on their childrens' rights to walk the streets without being bombarded with inappropriate images. I don't really care what you do in the privacy of your own homes, but it leave it there please.
11. A sad day in Israel...
Craig ,   USA   (09.04.06)
It will be a sad day in Israel, and a slap in the face of God, if the gays are allowed to parade. I have all the sympathy for homosexuals, but Scripture rightly describes what you practice as an abomination. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah? You need to recognize your sin and repent, God will then help you. But instead you disregard Scripture and invite judgement upon yourselves. I am sorry you have the desires you have, but God says it is wrong. What about pedophiles? Are they the next group to be legitamized simply because they claim they were born with a sexual desire for children? Let me guess...there are no victims other than yourselves..unlike pedophilia. You are wrong. You make society a victim when you attempt to flaunt your perversion. No one cares what is done in privacy between consenting adults...but public flaunting of sin brings condemnation upon the society which accepts it. God sets the standard...you either repent while there is time or you suffer the consequences.
12. My dear Ilana,my dear world
Golan ,   Tel Aviv   (09.04.06)
My dear Ilana. Your hatred and lack of enlightened education is what belongs somewhere else! You choose the place and the time and I'm sure you will be received with open arms! Do the world a favor and get off your white horse! It's time for self rightous people to live and let live. Who are you to make such comments? Who are you to decide or try to decide what is perverse or not. Wake up! You are not God and if you think you are then please fix the real problems in this world namely hatred and lack of enlightened education. The most basic and fundamental precept of this world is to treat your neighbors just like you would expect them to treat you! Did you not learn this at youth group? Oh no I'm sorry that would be too perverse!
13. You Are Created In G-d's Image: Act The Part
Yishai Kohen ,   YeShA, Israel   (09.04.06)
Don't act like a beheima and give into any and every animal instinct. We are all created with strengths and weaknesses, good traits and bad traits. What separates us from the animals is our ability to differentiate between right and wrong, moral and immoral. There is nothing for you to be proud about if you keep acting like an animal.
14. the gay parade
leah amdur ,   Jerusalem Israel   (09.04.06)
If you are made in the image of Hashem why can't you read his Torah and see that He does not want gays in His land Gay gezunterhied but in the USA not in Hashem's land.
15. GAYS DON' T RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES THEY ARE FANATICS
(09.04.06)
16. Actually, I agree with the previous talkback
Jonathan M. "Tactica ,   Ofrah, Jerusalem   (09.04.06)
Look. No one has any problems with gays. Not gays, not lesbians, not transvestites, nothing. Really. But I think this parade is just pointless. After all, why in the name of God would you go out to the street and yell "I'm gay!!"?? Absolutely pointless. Just a bunch of horny people kissing and touching themselves in front of many children around. Ban the thing.
17. "Fighting for Jerusalem"
Jonathan M. "Tactica ,   Ofrah, Israel   (09.04.06)
Sorry for the double-post. I've written an small piece of my own about Mrs. Raz's article: http://tacticalsniper.blogspot.com/2006/09/ive-just-been-reading-this-article-on.html I hope that this gets to Mrs. Raz, as I'd like to know her opinion on the subject.
18. Anti-gay=pro-fascism.
(09.04.06)
Those who are anti-gay have Hitler, bin Laden and Ahmadi Nejad as inspirational co-conspiritors. Biologically speaking, "gayness" is much more natural than Judaism is, for example. There are genes which control for sexuality, and its expression, but not for any specific religion. And gullibility, and intellectual myopia too, but not "a" religion. PS Beruit tolerates gay assemblage, with little or no interference from Hizballah, marking homophobes as more irrational on this parameter than Nasrallah. PSS I'm very curious as to what makes other straights so virulently homophobic. Many are much more homophobic than they are anti-Islamo-fascist! What's up with that? What are they so afraid of, and more importantly, why? Is it their right hands fearing their left hands, perhaps?
19. Gay Parade in the Holy City
Lance ,   NY, USA   (09.04.06)
It is sad that such a parade might take place although God is very specific in calling such a lifestyle and "abomination." I pray for those so infected with the cancer of homosexuality.
20. We don't hate you, we hate what you do
YItzi ,   Jerusalem   (09.04.06)
Your "lifestyle" is perversion, a sickness that needs a cure. You are living in a state of submission to lusts that can be denied if you so choose. You may have come by this early but it is never too late to change an be normal. The Gay lifestyle is full of danger for you and people around you. By it's nature it leads to lower and lower levels of depraved thinking and action. Read the Pink Swastika. http://www.abidingtruth.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
21. Misleading title
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (09.04.06)
It should be "Fighting Against Jerusalem"
22. My Dear Golan
ilana   (09.04.06)
Your self-hatred belongs with your own kind in a place where only G-d knows what you are doing...not here and certainly not in J'lem. You choose the shrink and time and I am sure you will be welcomed with open arms! D the world a favor and get out of the Holy Land. Its time you live ut your fantacies elsewhere and let us live without our senses being assaulted by your perversions. Who are you to make your vile "lifestyle" public? Wake up! You are not enlightened on Torah. Welcoming the perverse and shameful behavior is NOT a fundamental Torah principle. But then you show us you reject Torah by flaunting this behavior. I hope you get some help. It really is a good world in the light. (*-*)
23. Leave gays alone
Waseem ,   Al-Quds   (09.04.06)
Homosexuality is very natural, as it it observed in every mammal species with prevalence rate as high as 20% in some species! If we gays feel like walking in the street holding hands and chanting pro-tolerance and pro-peace songs, what's wrong with that? Give us peace, we don't feel like locking up our souls and spirits just because we're different. Give us a break, the real ennemy is intolerence, war, poverty, and lack of education. -Proud Palestinian gay PS. No pride in occupation though
24. gayness in israel
efi g ,   washington dc   (09.04.06)
Why dont the gays and koksinelim go parade themselves in Iran? I will tell you that the muslim countries are laughing their heads off at how jews behave sometimes. Is this the idea of being a light unto the nations? Is it?!
25. in the holy city
(09.04.06)
The road where Jesus had to walk carrying the Cross bleeding and full of pain .... the gays wnt's make their streetparade .... showing their asses and their breasts like old hookers .... they are free to do what they want together in bed rooms or anywhere without disturbing the others ...
26. hey just calm down! in Iran they hang gays in public.
israel ,   it aint that bad   (09.04.06)
27. #23 "pal"
ilana   (09.05.06)
for you anything would be natural
28. Think they will go to Iran? Nah.
ilana   (09.05.06)
29. Waseem, Al-Quds
Mark   (09.05.06)
I wanted you and all the readers to know that I lived in Israel many years ago. As a teenager I felt that I was gay and couldnt tell any one. There were many days that I wanted to kill myself. I am glad that I didnt! Waseem, you have alot of courage to admit that you are gay. Many gay people (israelis, and palestinians suffer) because they cant do or live the same lives. I can accept that the bible and quran dont approve, but on a people level. Gays for many years were bashed for being gay. There is a high level of suicide among gay youth. What makes me proud as a human being that israel, in some ways is mor progressive than many countries in this regard. Correct me if I am wrong waseem, but there have some gay palestinians who have sought refuge in Israel (with a partner)? Gays march I think in order to sho the world that they are not invisible. I dont agree with parading naked, or having sex on the street. Just as modesty exists in parts of jerusalem for heterosexuals, I can accept that for gay people too. Waseem, this time I seem to be closer to you than the rest of the Ynet responders. To whomever reads this, if yoy are young and gay..dont be ashamed of who you are, accept yourself as a human being entitled to rights that all others have liberty and pursue happiness. To this day I am glad i did not commit suicide. I am a doctor today and I hope to come back to israel soon. Peace/Salaam Waseem
30. What the Hell?!!
BUDQAI ,   JERUSALEM   (09.05.06)
Why do gays think they need a parade to express themselves?!! we don't need see straight people parading...is it just me or we all think that this is one way of imposing urself on society!! well i'll leave this 4u to decide..God!!,is this world coming to an end or what!!!!!
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