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Pope: Anti-Islam quotes not my own views
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Published: 20.09.06, 13:06
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31. John Smith
???   (09.20.06)
"they just walk into the mosques while innocent peace-loving people are kneeling before God and shoot them in the back" Really? Gee, I've seen numerous stories of muslims doing this exact same thing to other muslims all of the time. "What planet do you live on, sir???" Excuse John Smith everyone...he's from San Francisco. They are a bunch of liberal hypocrites!
32. The spiritual leader of Catholics fails again
AK   (09.20.06)
Just Pius XII had failed to respond forcefully against the Nazis and the Holocaust, this Pope, lacks the moral courage and the will to respnd to today's Islamo-Nazis. But there is an important difference in that today's Nazis are not Christians, not even flawed one's or nominal , like the the Nazis before; today's Nazis will destroy Vatican and Christianity, if only given a chance. When they came for the Jews, the Pope invited Arafat to the Vatican, embraced and kissed him, now there're on a way to dhimmify the new Pope, and Europe's Christians and the Pope is backing off. Vatican's unending war against the Jews and Israel is causing Vatican to loose its will to fight the war for own survival against a real enemy.
33. Atmavi, #5
AK   (09.20.06)
As a Moslem ,who you may consider moderate... I don't consider you a moderate, unless a "moderate Muslim" is in a separate and different category from what we in the West consider "a moderate." A moderate person allows everybody to speak, even when strongly disagreeing. You have every right to strongly disagree with the Pope's views but not to demand that he appologize because you didn't like what he said. It is nobody's fault that you feel humiliated, if your religion is being analyzed or mentioned in unfavorable light. My advise is: change your religion. BTW, Pope does not represent diversity, but Catholicism only. Catholics, not unlike you, Muslims, believe that their's is the only path to salvation and everybody else goes to hell -- hardly a multiculturalist view. If you wish a multicultural religious view, i suggest you choose Buddhism or Judaism.
34. #26 Bruce Bawer's book is a must-read, and yet
AK   (09.20.06)
not only Europeans, but far too many in the U.S. haven't read it and are still fast asleep. Yours is a great post.
35. #31“pre-emptive strike”!! message on Goldstein’s gravesite
observer   (09.20.06)
Goldstein's headstone points toward Jerusalem, signaling the direction of prayer for those who come to stand beside it and worship on an unshaded octagonal stone plaza. A plastic cup of water is next to the grave - some pilgrims believe that drinking from it brings good luck. An altar with memorial candles and a cabinet containing holy books and a coin slot for charity are on the perimeter of the grave site. Flowers and a dozen saplings struggle to grow in the parched earth, a few yards from a dirt road ringed by barbed wire. There is a lone bench, but for the Goldstein faithful this is a holy place where one stands to honor a savior. Witness the message on Goldstein’s gravesite: Here lies the saint, Dr. Baruch Kappel Goldstein, blessed be the memory of the righteous and holy man, may the Lord avenge his blood, who devoted his soul to the Jews, Jewish religion and Jewish land. His hands are innocent and his heart is pure. He was killed as a martyr of God on the 14th of Adar, Purim, in the year 5754 (1994). http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrocities-hebron.html#anchor12015 http://www.zeek.net/print/603purim/ http://judicial-inc.biz/Go.ldstein_massacre.htm
36. The Pope has no spine.
Jeremiah ,   Israel, Jewish Land   (09.20.06)
37. Lets make some conclusions
Reason ,   Canada   (09.20.06)
So here is the course of events, Catholic leader makes statements and Muslims are enraged. This is crazy, I would expect much more tolerance from a man who once wore a swastika. Rememebr this man was a nazi. And for the catholic church to be intolerant of other cultures is unheard of. This also kind of proves what the nazi pope was saying. Muslimism was spread by the sword. Violence is the central belief. If it was not then why are these "peaceful" muslims holding hate riots and burning things...?
38. Questions raised from the Pope's Lecture
Abu Saleh ,   Tel-Aviv   (09.20.06)
I quote of the Popes' lecture: 1 - "I was reminded recently when I read the dialogue carried in 1391". Question 1 who reminded your Excellency? For what reason, what aim, is there any relation between your views and the lecture"? What are your views to prove fruitful or not? 2 - "Emperor Manuel's subject is the truth of Christianity and Islam". Q2 Why this man's dialogue from the black ages and bringing it now means, you are proud and support them. 3 - " I would like to discuss only one point of the dialogue faith contained in the Bible and in the Qur'an, and deals especially with the image of God and of man" "The context of the issue of "faith and reason". Q3 Fine selection, but incomplete discussion. 4 - "There is no compulsion in religion". According to the experts, this is one of the suras of the early period. Q4 Who are those experts? Did you ask any Moslem expert to elaborate so as your lecture will be fruitful and accurate? 5 – "When Mohammed was still powerless and under threat". Q5 You, and your experts are wrong, and truthless. 6 – "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". Q6 "Are you so proud of the Emperor as he expressed himself so forcefully"? What about you? Let me asssure you that Islam is the real religion of Peace, and Islam is the last message from Al Mighty God to all human kind, and no other religion will be accepted else than Islam. I hope to hear from the advisers of HE The Pope on the above questions, and we do await the explanations of HE The Pope. To be continued…
39. #27 You certainly confused it with some another Christian
SAME IDOL ,   DIFFERENT CHURCH   (09.20.06)
You certainly confused it with some another Christian denomination. DID I NOW? SAME IDOL SAME DOCTRINE WITH A TWIST SAME INQUISITION SAME DEAD JEWS SAME PREACHING SAME PROSELYTIZING DACON9
40. This is not a clear apology!
cleo ,   cairo   (09.20.06)
But, it's better than a silence. I know, that it's too hard for pope to apologize frankly and directly, he needs more time to retract his words, to say that Manuel II Paleologos had made a big mistake, to recognize that Islam is peace and against violence. I'm sure that for the next future pope will retract all his foolish words! Step by step, is it right, pope?
41. #40; Islam is a "religion" of violence and hate!
(09.20.06)
The Pope was right! You and the rest of the demonic Islamofacists can kiss my Catholic ass!
42. RATZ BENEDICT LIKE DRUNK MEL
ISHMAEL ISHMAEL ,   TORONTO CANADA   (09.20.06)
The Ratz is like drunken Mel without the booze. Sure, Ratz Benedict XVI does not share the views of some bygone crusader, he just quoted him at length to show that he 'disagreed'. This is from the group that brought you connivance with the holocuast of Jews, Blacks, Roma ... sexual abuse and genocide of Indiginous peoples in Canada, Africa, India, S. America ... worldwide. And still brings you such abuse. Kasav could easily be their standard bearer in this regard.
43. ISLAMIST HATE for ISRAEL'S G-D, The BIBLE & G-D'S LAWS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.21.06)
There NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. In the 1948 Islamic invasion and illegal occupation of the Jewish Holy Land, Jordan destroyed 58 sacred synagogues in Jerusalem. Since 1996, Rachel's Tomb, near Bethlehem, has been attacked by Muslim snipers, bombs and Molotov cocktails. In October 2000, Muslims torched and destroyed the ancient synagogue in Jericho. In 2005, Muslims desecrated and destroyed sacred Gaza synagogues. Joseph is the beloved Bible hero of Jews and Christians. Muslims murdered IDF soldiers at Joseph's Tomb. Muslim mobs BURNED BIBLES and Jewish prayer books that gave praise and glory to the One great G-D, and destroyed the Tomb. In the Islamic invasion and filthy desecration of Jesus Christ' birthplace, Church of Nativity, BIBLES were TORN UP for TOILET PAPER. Inscribed in the Bibles are the Laws G-D gave to Moses; the Laws our Western civilization is founded on: Exodus 20: "You shall not murder" "You shall not commit adultery" "You shall not steal" "You shall not bear false witness" "You shall not covet" Exodus 21:16 "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death" Leviticus 24:17 "If a man takes the life of any human being, he shall surely be put to death" Global Islamists seek the total destruction of Western civilization. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Hebrew Bible, not once in the Koran. G-D designated the Temple Mount to the Jews for His worship and prayer only. Muslims on the Temple Mount repeatedly engage in massive rock throwing at Jews, turning the HOLIEST place on earth into a common place of violence! Muslims have perpetrated massive desecration and destruction at Judaism's HOLIEST site, the Temple Mount. The OFFENSE to G-D is enormous! The Temple Mount must be returned to its Jewish owners immediately!
44. LINDA..I CREATED THAT TYPE SPACING
MOSES ,   MT SINAI   (09.21.06)
I CREATED A FEW WORDS OF IMPORTANCE ON A LINE TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THE STUPID PEOPLE TO READ AND UNDERSTAND.. ITS MY LAYOUT IF YOU INSIST ON USING 'MY' LAYOUT THEN I DEMAND ROYALTIES. AND YOU GUYS THAT ARE USING ALL CAPS .. AFTER FOR SO LONG DISSING ME .. .I WANT ROYALTIES FROM YOU TOO AND TO THOSE USING WHAT YOU CALL THE NEW TESTEMENT YOU HAVE COPIED THE ORIGIANAL TORAH THINKING THAT WE WILL NOT RECOGIZE THE PALGERISM. WELL I HAVE AND I WILL BE BRINGING A CLASS ACTION SUIT VERY SOON FOR COPYING AND DISTORTING THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT .................................................... DACON9
45. atmawi: WTF is "Historic Palestine?"
Whatever! ,   Historic Troy   (09.21.06)
46. #40 are you kidding me?
(09.21.06)
Nobody has to apologize just to make YOU and other Muslims feel better. The Pope did not apologize to Galileo for making him recant his scientific discoveries. The Pope did not apologize for murdering thousands of Jews during the Inquisition. And you are throwing a hissy fit over a few words taken out of context? Oh, poor you! Go get a life, why don't you!
47. Right, Cleo, Islam is a religion of Peace...
AK   (09.21.06)
...and you, as a good Muslim, will kill any body who says otherwise.
48. 22
(09.21.06)
The question is: WHICH PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON? Stay on the subject. ThePope's comments and the Muslims' hurt feelings over them. If you want examples of burned synagogues and suicide bombers, do you have 2 hours? i will list them for you. You are obviously misinformed and biased. The Arab propaganda got the best of you. You speak about a lone fanatic Baruch Goldstein. Is that the best you've got? Israel is fighting terrorists just as the United States in which you live does... While they are attacking Israeli civilians daily and vow to destroy Israel. They have the same mentality of the terrorists who committed the 9/11 crimes and who are causing havoc world-wide. Read the papers! They hate you too as an American.
49. The Truth #5
FJ ,   Canada   (09.21.06)
The Truth is the Truth is the Truth is the Truth! Why should the Pope ignore the truth just because it may make people mad? Islam = violence is the truth! look at it on the news. Truth is not relative, what you say is either true or its a lie...are you saying the Pope should lie because the truth offends you? .. last time I checked it was a sin to lie...which would not be becoming of the Pope would it? The bombings of churches is violence...in the name of what?...oh yeah..ISLAM. The people who were planning to blow up their INFANT on a plane...is in the name of what?? oh yeah..ISLAM I could go on for days.... I am not catholic, but I am Christian and I pray in the name of Jesus, you and those trapped in ISLAM can see the truth and come out of the slavery you are trapped in. There is only one truth, and Mohammed is not it, which you can easily see by the fruits in the middle east....
50. John Smith?or''
(09.21.06)
Mahmood Abdallah? Your rage and fervor make me wonder if you are indeed who you say you are. Your one-sided crap is typical. If I'm wrong about who you are, so as a Christian, how do you feel about the Palestinians burning churches and the Christian YMCA in Israel? those are your innocent, peace-loving people. You bring up one unfortunate incident with Baruch Goldstein and you attribute it to all Israelis, moron! The Palestinians elected a terrorist governement and preach hatred from morning to night, vow to destroy Israel and to kill innocent Israelis. What do you call the Kassams that are being fired at Israeli schools and other places where civilians live-maybe balloons or kites?suicide bombers, shooting at passing cars, breaking into houses and murdering pregnant Isreli mothers and babies? Their is aim to kill Israeli civilians. Which planet do you live on, Sir?????????
51. Why is the Pope wasting time on this issue?
D- ,   San Diego, USA   (09.21.06)
So what if there is some mindless mob out there that is upset with him! Can't he just assign a Cardinal or somebody to deal with it? It makes no sense to allow some mindless mob in Gaza to direct his attention.
52. To # 5
(09.22.06)
One simple question... Why, all around the world, in every region where Islam prevails, are there are problems & violence? Indonesia, the Middle East, Africa, Afghanistan, Pakistan... It can't be that the rest of the world is wrong.
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