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UN envoy: Israel turned Gaza into prison
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Published: 26.09.06, 19:28
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31. APPALLING? You get what you voted for.
malcolm   (09.26.06)
Same old stale Jew/Israel hate with the modern twist: Palestinians have "0" responsibility for anything that rains down on them according to self-righteous liberal white boys and girls who dig Arabs and hate Jews. All the Palestinians have to do is renounce terrorism and accept "the Jews" as their neighbors and the floodgates of prosperity will open. But they never will because they are totally addicted to their own death cult brand of Islamic violence. Palestinians have been on intensive welfare for decades and they spend a good chunk of their money on bombs, tunnels and bullets. But according to white boys and girls bred on their own brand of Western Jew hate, "the Jews" are responsible for everything. Dugard is a throwback to the Days of Arafat, when Yasser led the UN by the nose while he pranced around the globe fattening his (and Suha's) wallet. Dugard uses all the hackneyed worn out buzzwords from those heady Zionism=Racism days. Meanwhile he and the UN sat back during Rwanda while nearly a million Africans were murdered. He and the UN sat back during the Arab slaughter in Darfur where another 200,000 Africans were raped and butchered. I guess as a white boy from a real apartheid state, he doesn’t care much about black Africans. But he’s obsessed with Palestinians who receive more media attention, sympathy, monies and subsidies than almost any group on earth… A people who have proved to the world through the ballot box that they are not worthy of such disproportionate amount sympathy. Especially while another million black Africans face rape and total liquidation at the hands of Arabs in Sudan as we speak.
32. Response to ALL pro-arab posts and statements…
LeoP ,   Moscow   (09.26.06)
After reading all the posts on ynet for the past couple of months, this is my first post and I would like to respond to all of them. Arabs/palis/lebs etc. (I’ll use these words interchangeably b/c the differences they share are only cultural at best, ideologically they are all the same in my regard)… but I digress. It seems to me that as a whole, the Arab people feel inferior to some extent. The sad truth, and any erudite individual from the liberal left to the conservative right will agree, is that the problems in the arab world were caused by the arab regimes controlling them. The regimes are filthy rich, so rich that few people can even enumerate this wealth (the poorest people on the planet, the palis, had a leader named Arafat who left his wife over USD 2billion… and the government of Hamas and Abbas are struggling to get together a few million here and there… how does that make any sense? Is terrorism the answer, is death the answer? Terrorism itself was started by Arab regimes as a way to point the arab people away from the real reasons for their inhumanity and degraded quality of life. The rich bastard Arafat was sitting on a treasure chest of billions of dollars while orating to this people, pointing his finger over the border at Israel, and with a quivering lip saying “jihad, jihad, jihad”… jihad for what? He could have given them a decent start at life, a few small business loans here, a school there, and society little by little would have picked up, instead he told them to go kill themselves… so who exactly thinks arabs lives are worthless? Not the Israeli’s… I guarantee you that any Israeli would be happy to know that no more arabs will die in suicide missions on Israeli soil. As for violence, why do you get so violent when the Pope says he doesn’t want to see you be violent? It’s like beating a dog for urinating on the carpet only to have the dog piss himself during the beating… the point is, the Pope’s comments added fuel to the fire, and that’s mostly b/c you guys didn’t do anything to help change world opinion. I just can’t understand… I’m a worldly person, well educated, and grew up with a renaissance mentality of a ‘new world’ highly dependant on education and progress. All I see in arabs is a threat to that lifestyle… doctors, scientists, writers, poets, directors, actors, professors, cartoons, models, books, sports, athletes, and various other forms of ‘art’ in the western civilized world are extinct in the arab world. Why? Why do you hate this progressive culture so much? Is it because you didn’t think of it first? Is it again this inferiority you seem to feel? OR maybe its because if arabs do get smart and do progress in society and do become ‘enlightened’ like the rest of the world, then they will easily figure out that it was never the Jew’s or the West’s faults, but their own regimes that caused so many generations so much pain and suffering. Just take a good look a the lifestyles of Hamas’s leadership and Hezbo’s leadership, and compare it to the lifestyle of a plain pali. Just keep in mind, Israel regained a desert in the 1940’s and rebuilt it into a Garden of Eden… Israeli’s have Nobel prizes for medical advances, technology, physics, literature, politics; they have achieved A-List status in every rung of capitalist society from banking to manufacturing… In short, Israel is the success story that is in every respect a miracle… what has the arab world brought to the table… and I quote 2 Pope’s for the answer here, “there you will find things only evil and inhuman”
33. Israel is applying what...
Susan ,   Ohio USA   (09.26.06)
they learned from Germans during WW2. I guess apple would not fall too far.
34. re: no ethnic cleansing
Ajmal Khan ,   UK   (09.26.06)
by definition, your government has created an apartheid wall. you are aggressors. You should return to pre67 borders and stop illegal settlements. when u say the palestinians dont want peace, you mena they dont give up their land
35. Gaza population
silvio ,   italy   (09.26.06)
Instead of shoot rockets, they put on to plough and sow the earth! And possibly they begin to work in the factories!
36. #33 "Susan"
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (09.26.06)
Tehran is not in Ohio, Mahmoud. Is "Susan" your name when you wear high heels?
37. to #33, Susan, thats right, Israel gives Arabs choice.
David ,   Boston, USA   (09.26.06)
Arabs in Gaza choose war over peace. Arabs in Gaza choose war over prosperity. Arabs in Gaza choose fiction over fact. Jews/Israelis learned that we try to make things better for others, but its up to themselves to make it better for themselves, and Arabs in Gaza are failing miserably. You reap what you sow. Arabs in Gaza prefered to rasack Hot Houses, not once, but twice, GIVEN to them by Jews. Arabs in Gaza starting bombing Israel from practically DAY 1 after Israel removed its own native Jewish population from the land. Yes, Israel learned to live in peace and respect its neighbors. Its too bad the same cant be said for the Arabs in Gaza.
38. perhaps
tom ,   toronto, canada   (09.26.06)
perhaps the united nations and their special envoy could help gazans sell a few guns or rockets to buy food. how can this man be such an idiot as to not realize that the closures of gaza are the direct result of the HUNDREDS of rockets fired from gaza into israel since israel's withdrawal? and why should israel cooperate with hamas, if hamas will not even renounce its objective of destroying israel? perhaps the united nations' envoy to gaza should listen to something other than hamas' propaganda...
39. yes, but...
tom ,   toronto, canada   (09.26.06)
i wonder, in all of this, where is the representative of the israeli government? are they so wrapped up in political infighting that they cannot see how accusations like these, left unchallenged, hurt israel? never mind what happened in lebanon - that was last month - who's minding the store NOW?
40. palestinians are prisoners by choice...their own choice
v. n.y. ,   n.y. usa   (09.26.06)
case in point! the real truth here is that it's all a matter of choice. do you choose peace and prosperity or do you continue to spit at the hand that offers you peace, food, electricity, water, hospitals, medical care, education, better economy, etc.... make up your mind, palestinians. wake up and realize that your "democratically" elected governments, the ones you cose freely and voted for are USING YOU IN THE WORST WAYS POSSIBLE. your leaders do not care about you!!!!! all the millions of dollars from eu, usa, israel, etc.... that you have gotten as aid throughout the years have gone into your leaders pockets (corupt) and to buy armaments against israel. your leaders insist that you have a common enemy....ISRAEL. well, they would like you to believe this because if you continue hating, you will never find out or see how you are being used and manipulated in the process. your leaders take everything away from you on purpose so that you are left with nothing but poverty, squalor, misery, bad medical care, mortality, etc... what they leave you with as a result is the continuation of hatered and the blaming of israel on all your miseries. you bring this on yourselves by allowing these so called leaders to lie to you and cheat you out of a productive life, a good life with good economy, schools, education, science and medicine, plenty of food and medicaql care and an open minded education. these leaders choose to manipulate your religion and kouran to their advantage and leave you in the dark!, without any control over your destinies and future, without any control over the need to change your circumstances for the better. ISRAEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR CONDITIONS!!!!!!!!! any human being would reach his helping hand out to the needy if that needy person respected and worked side by side with the helper to achieve a better life. but you palestinians do not want to accept a helping hand. you would rather bomb, murder, kidnapp, and blow yourself up in the name of your god and his disciples....the hamas ans plo. israel is sick and tired of your volitile and violent actions. they are tired and afraid for their subjects. they want to protect their citizens because you'd like to blow us all out of the mid east. how can we let you achieve this? we therefore must enclose you in your own so called "prison" so that life in israel can continue in peace. you do not know the meaning of the word peace. think how much you can benefit from that word. how great and prosperous life can be for you if you ended this insane violence and looked carefully at your leaders and questioned their motives and ambitions. you, palestinians, as a people can do this for yourself. blaming israel will not solve your problem because israel is the reaction to your actions.
41. Livni for PM
Joe   (09.26.06)
Guys All of you should work hard to get livni to be the next PM. She's calm, she's wise and shes HOT ;)
42. #34 - Ethnic cleansing - Waht a HYPOCRIT!!!
Robby ,   San Jose, USA   (09.26.06)
You refer to the settlements as illegal - why is that? Do you think Judea and Samaria should be ethnically cleansed of Jews? Israeli's (i.e. Jews) are not allowed in the Palestinians "Area 1".
43. Why is israel such a "nasty "country?
Waveform ,   UK   (09.26.06)
Why are so many treated so badly by those who call themselves victims? Israel just cannot see how they have turned into the type of country they themselves warn us against. Why has gaza voted for terrorists? Because all other governments failed to gain an inch and israel walked all over them. Hit somome so many times and eventually they will hit back as standing there being a punchbag to israel will not gain a thing.
44. Dugard? Who is Dugard...?
Bernd ,   Germany   (09.26.06)
This Dugard guy should be removed from his post immediately. Bernd, Germany, Old Europe
45. #34, by definition, the Arabs have created Apartheid
David ,   Boston, USA   (09.26.06)
In historic "Palestine" The Arabs have banned Jews from citizenship and land ownership on over 80% of the land. While Israel has maintained its Arab minority. Think about it, who has created an apartheid state? Jews have less of the land than blacks had in South Africa, and they hav NO rights on the rest of the land. Their land was taken from them, some of which had been in their possession for centuries, some of it had been bought way above market value, but it was all taken away by the British and arab apartheid rulers in the 20s.
46. What do all countries and religions have in common?
Ryan ,   Calgary, Canada   (09.26.06)
Whether your muslim, Jewish, or Christian, whatever country your from, we all agree on one thing: The UN is useless and it sucks. Maybe this should be the basis for dialogue and peace. At least all sides agree on this one issue. John Dugard took this assignment because he sympathizes with the Pals. Of course he will write a stupid report blaming Israel for everything. This report was probably typed up before the assignment started.
47. Same song, second verse...
Greg ,   Dallas TX USA   (09.26.06)
This is a variation on the "innocent civilians as victims" theme that was used so effectively in Lebanon. The Islamofascists can't win militarily, so they create the civilian victims who must be "saved" by their friends in Eurabia. And the polls continue to show that most Palestinians support Hamas. Too bad for the "innocent civilians." You asked for this misery. Now Enjoy.
48. How dare you call critics of Israel Anti-Semites
Human ,   Houston, Texas   (09.26.06)
Many people posting comments seem to be totally out of touch with reality. People blaming the Palestinian people for voting in Hamas? What about the Israelis who voted in Ariel Sharon? Yes, the genuine war criminal, Ariel Sharon? Do you even remember what he was up to in 1982? And you bozos who keep saying that anyone who is against Israel's sick policies of oppression is an anti-semite... I was opposed to what Idi Amin was doing in Uganda. Does that make me a racist? No, because it wasn't the fact that he was black or African, it was the fact that he committed atrocities. My own government has somehow been coerced into sending piles of cash to Israel to help this theft of land and oppression of a people. I think it is absolutely shameful. Does that make me anti-American? No, I am a true American. I study the issues and know how to tell a reliable source from a biased source. Israel has caused all of her own problems. You can't steal land and then expect the victims of this crime to stand down while justice is ignored. Without justice there can be no peace. I do not trust Israel and I do not trust the government of The United States of America. Not because I'm an anti-semite or an anti-American, but because in 1967 Lyndon B. Johnson and the government of Israel cooked up a scheme that involved sending the USS Liberty to the bottom of the ocean with all aboard and blaming Egypt so that we could rain Hell down upon them. Luckily, a soviet spy ship showed up and the presence of witnesses caused this little scheme to backfire. This is historical fact. All the Palestinian people want is to live their lives in peace. How many families are unaffected by the violence and abuse inflicted on them by the army that is occupying their territory? What would you do if the Palestinian Army was running Israel like a concentration camp? Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all wonderful religions. Israel does not practice Judaism, it is a country that does whatever it can to acquire resources. America does not practice Christianity, it is a country that does whatever it can to acquire resources. Palestine does not practice Islam, it is a country that does whatever it can to acquire resources to survive. You want the "suicide bombings" to stop? Then get rid of the CIA, Mossad and the ISI. And do not dare to call people that criticize Israel's policies anti-semites. Brave members of the IDF have followed their consciences (and their religion) and laid down their weapons and refused to participate in the same demonization of a people that befell their own ancestors.
49. Release the thousands of Palestinian Freedom Prisoners
Ron ,   California, US   (09.26.06)
WTF, the world is all up in arms for one f**ken IOF soldier ... what about the thousands of Palestinians in Israeli prisons, or should I say torture facilities. Plus, the West Bank and Gaza does not belong to you ...enough said, get out!!
50. Maybe they shouldnt have attacked and kidnapped soldiers
RA   (09.26.06)
51. to Human of Houston #48
Mike ,   Atlanta, USA   (09.26.06)
You don't trust the US government because: "in 1967 Lyndon B. Johnson and the government of Israel cooked up a scheme that involved sending the USS Liberty to the bottom of the ocean with all aboard." You didn't mention Johnson's fabrication of the Gulf of Tonkin attack, which led to an escalation of US combat in Vietnam and the deaths and maiming of hundreds of thousands (some estimate more). So the fact that you focus on a handful of deaths that occured in collaboration with Israel rather than the 10s of thousands of American deaths (forget Southeast Asians) that followed from sole US govt deceptions MAKES YOU AN ANTI-SEMITE. It's not the US governement's deceptions. It's the deceptions it carries on with Israel. Easy to expose you, Tex.
52. #49 Prisoners
Robby ,   San Jose, USA   (09.26.06)
Ron - have you been in an Israeli prison? Have you seen the torture chambers? Let me guess, you read it in Al Jazeera, right?
53. Gaza a prison
shani ,   Fl, USA   (09.26.06)
Mel Gibson said it best!!!!!!
54. TELL 'EM #48 !!!!!!
FM ,   Seattle, USA   (09.26.06)
that goes double for me
55. WHERES KOFI???????????
Kofi ,   UN   (09.26.06)
hes wont go himself, because we know whos side hes on.Israel gave them the land,now we have to be blamed because they choice hamas.
56. to waveform
kofi ,   UN   (09.26.06)
your resoning is why Israel is fighting back the way it is.thye are tired of the rain of missiles even after giving up land.when will the UK let the falcland islands go?
57. Ron....
Dave ,   US   (09.26.06)
Ron - get your facts right. 1. Israel *is* out of Gaza. Has been for nearly a year now. 2. It's the I *D* F not IOF. Though you may not believe it, the Israel DEFENSE Forces try quite hard to do just what the name states. 3. What you call "torture facilities" are actually run of the mill prisons in a run of the mill democratic country. The same cannot be said of wherever Gilad Shalit is. And the Red Cross has yet to be granted access to him, unlike prisoners held by Israel. 4. Next time you start declaring what land belongs to which country, think about where you live - Cali (and about a dozen other states) were once the sovereign territory of Mexico. So Ron, I assume you're already packing your bags . . .
58. # 41 Livi Sucks
malcolm   (09.26.06)
She is impotent, and completely useless. She is nothing more than an intern of foreign affairs. She sold Israel down the drain with her "cease fire". She licks the fungus between the toes of Rice. And she doesn't have the balls to lead Israel through the next inevitable war, a situation created due to her own ineptness. If you think she's so hot go ask her husband.Maybe you can have a threesome with them.
59. #48, Same Song
Cadavre ,   US   (09.26.06)
I agree It is the same song those who profit from the mythology of the holocaust use . Perhaps the real victims of the what is going in Gaza, the Jew, whose good name, and once admired traits of wisdom, justice and humanity have been destroyed by the little city state - the mobs latest hideout - Israel. I agree - keep them Dallas insights a floating to this board. If we could all only be as knowledgable and wise as you - what a better place this world would be. Speaking of Dallas - any Jimmy Jeff / Gecko Gannon sightings lately!
60. Dugard Report on Gaza
Jeff ,   US   (09.26.06)
As usual no blame for Palestinian terror and intranigence and all the blame on Israel. What a joke!!
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