1. Absolutely outstanding.
It is hard to believe that this essay has been published in Ynet.
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2. berkowitz
BRAVO!!!!!!
| JJ , |
montreal canada |
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3. I love you Professor Berkowitz
You have eloquently said what I have been saying forever. You are a genius. Please help Israel see that this roadmap to peace is really a roadmap to hell.
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4. Author makes fatal assumptions
Yes it is SNAFU yet not FUBAR. Dr. B assumes their can be " true and lasting peace agreemen" with homicidal Hamites and the rest of the nations united. Peace is unknown to them, yet you would have the Jews pay for nothing in return with tender that no Jew can broker. Land that belongs to all Jews past, present and Future. Land that protectects them since those who come to kill them abide by only one ":agreement", that Jews must die. It is they who must go back to their peninsular homeland of their own name, which is not unlike claims of Rabin and Faisal and not just someone else who sas right.
| Ben Temalion , |
Shiloh, MO USA |
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5. The true truth
They failed to understand that peace is not a religious, psicological, strategic, cultural value for muslims. The false premise underllying road maps is not consider the values system of arab society, just the desire of jews for peace.
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6. Peace process: the truth
After their pathethic failure during the Yom Kippur and after the peace treaty with Egyot, Laborites knew that they will lost their grip on the government unless they are able to provide something the Right could not provide.
They chose "peace" with the Fakestinians and Arab terror. Since the end of the seventies, they are using this demagoguery to regain the power.
| Francois , |
Montreal, Canada |
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7. The goal isn't Peace it is the oligarchy's rule
A clique of leftist secular Israelis use the Peace process to perpetuate the continued rule of their oligarchy against the threat of the Sephardi and traditional publics. They set up the threat of the right taking over as preventing peace while living off our revenues.
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8. Remember Rabin !!
Ah the voices of the radical religious right ....... such tolerance :o)
How convenient that you forget just who it was that murdered Peace 11 years ago next month.
We won't ever forget..... nor forgive.
You are as much enemies of Peace as Hamas and Hezbollah are .... and we will fight you to the end as we will their religious fanaticism .
Peace be upon you to .... brothers ;)
| Secular Sabra , |
Israel |
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(10.16.06) |
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9. Too Little Too Late
It's understandable:
When a guy with as enormous an ego as Clinton needed to out-Carter Carter for his Legacy Quest, he overlooked a biggger liar than he, Arafat, and sold the entire Jewish state for peanuts to the lowest bidder.
It's incomprehensible:
How Peres, Rabin & Barak were willing partners to the doomed "program".
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10. There no !
There no israel its Palestine but i love it more then palestine !!!
plz accept this comment !
| No Name! , |
Palestine Hell |
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11. #10 your comment does not compute !
Great article !
| Israeli , |
North |
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12. To #8 - Rabin 'achieved' peace?
Firstly, there is absolutely no way to prove that Rabin's peace plan would have actually achieved peace had he not been assassinated. In fact, some evidence suggests otherwise. Just one example: Rabin's 'peace partner', Arafat, was later publicly quoted as saying that the entire Oslo process was a 'red herring'.
Secondly, one should not assume that all non-leftists are radical and/or religious.
If one wants to make overarching generalizations about political/religious affiliations, one could also suggests that leftists (such as yourself) enjoy categorizing anyone who doesn't agree with you as 'radical religious rightists' in order to dismiss their highly substantiated claims that the peace process, in its current format, has yielded little to no results and is, thus, defective.
Perhaps, if you're really interested in acheiving peace, instead of laughing at 'rightists' and writing them off completely merely by virtue of their political affiliation, you should take a look at the current, unsuccessful attempts at peace and try to overhaul and transform the procedures into a better/more effective format.
Had you read the article without an ingrained, knee-jerk anti-right bias, you may have noticed that the author never states that he's anti-peace, merely anti-peace process in its current formats and suggests that, instead of tweaking, we make a major change in our outlook.
Historically, leftist 'tweaking' of the process has yielded nothing. Why are you opposed to a major conceptual overhaul? Is it because it was suggested by the right?
| secular but smart , |
Israel |
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(10.16.06) |
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13. #8 Secsist Sabra, you prove the author's point
He says the assassination hard coded all of Rabin's mistakes and scapegoated an entire population, something you demonstrate here on a regular basis.
| Kyle , |
Southpark, CO, USA |
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(10.16.06) |
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14. #8 from one secular Sabra to another
One psycho kills a PM and every rightist in the country is responsible?? And you are trying to egg on a civil war at a time like this. You are a true example of ignorance.
| Moshe , |
Or Yehuda |
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15. Ynet's Stalinist Sabra
More from our loony left friend. He likes the intials SS and it has really gone to where his heart should be
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16. " Rolls eyes "
One ' psycho ' did not murder Rabin .... the whole of the radical extremist right were screaming for his blood .... just as the same people threatened Sharon .
Now they defame his memory with lies .
I've seen the posters in the settlements I have heard the settlers speak .
I spent three years of my life guarding these messianic madmen .
Read these links and tell me I am wrong :
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-1856469,00.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/israel/
http://www.mepc.org/journal_vol6/9906_denoeux.asp
It was " Murder in the name of God " and I for one hold all Orange men and their supporters as responsable for the incitement that led to it as I do Yigal Amir.
Maybe now you can understand why so many of us supported disingagement and why we voted Kadima .
| Secular Sabra , |
Israel |
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17. Dear Ilan , Ariel
Keep on mocking me .... I don't mind .... I had my laugh during disingagement and at Amona .
Looks like just another two weeks we will be back in youre area ..... what can I tell you except it will be a pleasure :o)
see you soon .... I will be the one in the uniform ;)
| Secular Sabra , |
Israel |
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(10.16.06) |
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18. Dr Berkowitz - Excellent
Excellent - This proffessor should be writting for YNet everyday! It would be the first news I would turn to if such intelligence was regularly found on your site.
| CH , |
Chicago IL |
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19. Fantastic! finally a sane intellectual who
applies logic and has an answer to the question of continues head banging against the wall of stupidity-STOP:)!!!
LOOOOVED IT!!!!
| svietka , |
eli-shomron |
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(10.16.06) |
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20. fatal mistakes and trying something else..
Dear Mr.Berkowitz,
Loved yo analogy(like i already stated) and may i suggest u read a proposal for "something else" at:
www.JerusalemSummit.org and/or contact me directly.
It would be our pleasure to discuss our alternative with u further.
| svietka , |
Eli-shomron |
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21. The program worked - the computer broke
First off - brilliant article! One of the most intelligent analysis of the peace process I've read in some time.
I do not, though, believe that Rabin designed it as a "career politician's legacy". Rabin was of the original old school zionists and this land meant more to him than a spin in the Knesset.
I also believed the program initially worked. It held tremendous promise and left room for further development. It's not "bugs" we see in the program - but the invasion of "viruses" of the kind that cannot be fixed and were not foreseen.
Yes the program can now only be "isolated" and not used again. Meanwhile, we need a new program.
| Kate , |
Jerusalem |
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22. #16 - from one lefty to another: you don't get it
Just a word of input from a secular lefty:
We are not all alike - on the left. And "they" are not all alike on the right.
An intelligent and healthy society allows for dialogue between those who differ. Even marches and chants and demonstration that occasionally become angry.
There is no "fine line" between radical opinions and murder. It's a gulf that one man chose to cross.
| Kate , |
Jerusalem |
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23. to Kate , Jerusalem
They hero worship Yigal Amir Kate.
They defame Rabin's memory and they lie about his life .
It's not the Right I am against ..... it is the religious extremists , those that follow Baruch Marzel and Kach .
It wasn't just one man they murdered ........ there have been many .... too many.
They shame us all .... and they do it in God's name !!!
| Secular Sabra , |
Israel |
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24. #21 Sorry Kate, but Oslo's failure was foreseeable.
I, for one, knew that the Plan was unworkable and had no chance of success, and I am no political or military expert and live thousand miles away. It's just common sense. Simple rule for anybody who ever negotiated anything: first you settle the big disagreements, and leave ONLY those unimportant issues for later. You Israelis did the other way around, you gave away the land, and more importantly you created de-facto Palestinian state, with Parliament, Army and international recognition before the Arabs formally abandoned all claims to Jerusalem and "right of return," and that's why your country's very right to exist is now being openly questioned by your ex-friends, especially in Europe. No half-decent negotiator ever gives away his highest bargaining chips for nothing, being left in the end with nothing to bargain with. But that's exactly what Rabin and Peres had done. After Rabin recklessly stepped into the trap, later Israeli administrations couldn't (were not allowed, in fact) to back out of the deal, making more concessions, even as it became more and more obvious that Oslo was a dismal failure costing you lives and the other side, the Arabs, never for a second intended to keep their side of the bargain. Right now, Israel can bargain away only its own existence -- and this is the true Rabin's legacy. For a Chief of Staff and a top General he wasn't much of the strategic thinker, more like a crap-shooter, only difference that he was gambling with other people's lives and the future of the entire country. He obviously wasn't a strategist of any sort and he obviously surrounded himself with yes-men, for he stepped into the trap- no, he pushed Israel into the trap, that Oslo quite obviously was, without making damn sure that there was a viable escape hatch.
It is high time for the Israelis to stop sanctifying this man. The sooner it is done, the better for Israelis – less self delusion.
And make Peres face the music. Yes, he is an old man, but the damage he has done, the lives he has cost demand that he answer for it.
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25. This is brilliant! Lets have more from this contributor
| Dudu , |
Kfar Sava |
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26. oslo failed - so go back to the way things were??
oslo failed, but it was created because the prior arrangement was a failure.
is the author merely criticizing? does he have a better suggestion? if not, then choose which disaster is the least worst and go with that.
anyone can criticize. let's see some clever articles about a solution that hasn't been a failure.
| mike , |
israel (formerly usa |
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27. #26 Oslo made things worse
Oslo made things far worse than they were before.
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28. #26 mike, Oslo was a trap, going back is impossible.
The "Palestinian state" is currently afforded more international rights and protections than the legitimate state of Israel.
It will take another century for ALL the facts behind Oslo and identities of its architects to come to light, but the immediate fact is that Israel is denied ANY right of self-defense.
Of cause, we will pay for it in the West, as well, but just like during WW II, the price paid by the Jews will be out of proportion.
The question is- will a son of another Protestant minister have to write another book “The Abandonment of Jews" like David Wyman did, to face yet again the moral failure of the West and its complicity in the extermination of the Jews?
Do you truly believe that the Western civilization can survive such a failure the second time?
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