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Saddam: Kurds dividing Iraq for Israeli benefit
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Published: 17.10.06, 16:32
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31. FM#30
israeli ,   israel   (10.18.06)
My earnest advice to you and Saddam Hussein is to immediately disregard Khameini's interdiction on masturbation during Ramadan in order allow for a little serotonin secretion which seems imperatively necessary for your good brain function.
32. Israel, WTF??
FM ,   Seattle, USA   (10.18.06)
Ummm...I'm not Muslim. And why is it that whenever someone criticizes Israel all Israelis can do is throw mud or scream "anti-semite"? What about trying to address the points being made? Is it because there's not much you can say? Show me. What about the issue of "greater Israel"? what about your foundations in terrorism? What about your rampant state-sponsored racism? What about your apartheide state? What about your violations of UN resolutions? (Israel is the number 1 violator) What about your illegal fly-overs of Lebanon? What about your involvement with the Kurds? Anything? I thought so.
33. FM, the map
israeli ,   israel   (10.18.06)
I can't find "anti-semite" in my talkback. Your talkback refers to two issues: - the greater Israel map - the US death squads in Iraq. Given that I am not that familiar with what is going on in Iraq, except that Saddam Hussein is on trial, while Sunni and Shiites are blowing themselves up, my response was addressing mostly the greater Israel map issue. In view of the fact that Israel has given up all of Sinai and Gaza plus significant parts of the West Bank, WTF is that map of the greater Israel you are pointing us to? Do you honestly think that we have the resources to occupy and hold under occupation such vast areas of land? There's only 7 million of us living in Israel, with a 20% Arab minority. But what do you think about these maps of Palestine extending all over Israel? http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/mapsofpalestine.html You must surely know that most UN resolutions concerning Israel have no real meaning, they are General Assembly resolutions. As to the Security Council resolutions only those adopted under chapter 7 carry any real weight. How about several treaties and agreements that the Palestinians have signed over the years with Israel, only to wipe their behinds with (such the Oslo accords). Only yesterday a Qatari official pleaded with Haniyeh to recognize the State of Israel and start negotiating, only to receive a big fat NYET from the Hamas leader. You either hold both parties accountable, or you rest your case.
34. I said "OR scream anti-semite"
FM ,   Seattle, USA   (10.18.06)
The map was in response to # 25,26 in which he was asking for evidence of the statements I was making earlier about Israeli involvement with the Kurds in Iraq...which relates to the subject of the article....that's why I said it in the first place. You came in late. Maybe you should figure out what's going on before you jusmp in saying stupid sh*t. No, I don't think that Israel has the resources to occupy those additional areas, but it's your nation's stated goal, so I think you'll try. I think the Palestinian map is stupid and they're often very stubborn....but I wouldn't recognise the state of Israel either. It's illegal, immoral and should not exist right now in the way it does. This is not part of your covenant with your God. Maybe if you people were actually the people spoken of in the Torah and/or Talmud things would be different, but you're not and so they aren't. Your country is the Hell you deserve for what you've done to the people that already lived there. Only living true to God's covenant will bring you the rewards that are part of it....but then again, you'd have to be the people spoken of in the Bible and you're not. You're NOT Chosen People, and the land was NOT given to YOU by God. You shouldn't be there in the first place.
35. #34
israeli ,   israel   (10.19.06)
I have lived in Israel for 30 years and never heard or seen what you claim is my country's stated goal. As for the rest of the stupid sh*t in your comment, if you think you have enough serotonin, get an education. Or see a psychiatrist.
36. #34
Voice of Sanity   (10.19.06)
Who would have thought it was possible to spew so much bullshit in only two short paragraphs. Do yourself a favor and drop the biblical nonsense. For most Israelis, the very reason they establshed their state is because there are people like you in the world.. And, by the way, it just so happens to be the Jews' ancestral homeland, which is probably the reason why it's not located in Seattle.
37. to those who can't stand me--or can't understand me
FM ,   Seattle, USA   (10.19.06)
I understand why Jews would like to go live in Israel. I understand that they consider it to be their "ancestral homeland". In fact, since you folks are so privileged to have such a unique place I think ALL of you should have to move there. The problem is that it's also other people's ancestral homeland, in the sense that their ancestors have lived there up until your people recently kicked them out and stole their land and maybe took their lives and possessions. And I wouldn't care what you said or did there--hey, knock yourselves out--but you keep insisting upon a few totally insane things: 1) that you're God's Chosen People., and 2) that God "gave" you the land. Neither of these are true for the vast majority of you, because you ARE NOT the people mentioned in the Bible. It wasn't given to anyone who might someday become a Jew, but that's how the majority of you people treat it. You are not those people any more than I would be if I converted today.....but that doesn't stop you from using the biblical "authority". You quote it, and use it as your defense and your rational for why you're there and why you should be able to do whatever you want to whoever you want over there. If someone was already there, you simply say, "they must leave. This is ours. God gave it to us" and you mean it and you'll die defending that LIE. That's my problem.
38. to the Israeli who doesn't know about "Greater Israel"
FM ,   Seattle, USA   (10.19.06)
Here's some info about Greater Israel, from the mouth of David Ben Gurion, regarding the borders of Israel, "to the north, the Litani river [in southern Lebanon], to the northeast, the Wadi 'Owja, twenty miles south of Damascus; the southern border will be mobile and pushed into Sinai at least up to Wadi al-'Arish; and to the east, the Syrian Desert, including the furthest edge of Transjordan" Here's a map of that.... http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story1045.html Here's a map of all the villages and cities DEPOPULATED by Israelis/Zionists... http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story572.html And a more detailed one.... http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story1261.html Here's former PM moshe Dayan, "Our task consists of preparing the Israeli army for the new war approaching in order to achieve our ultimate goal, the creation of an Israeli empire." In defining the aims of Zionism, Hebrew scholar Levnoch Osman recently said: "In our eternal Book of Books (the Torah), the lofty ethical teachings of which are cherished by all mankind, the land of Israel is described not as a long, narrow strip of land with wavy, crooked borders, but as a state with broad natural borders. God has promised to Patriarch Abraham the following: "I give unto them the land where they have sown their seed, from the river of Egypt unto the great river of Euphrates? (Genesis 15:18). And so, in order to realize the words of this prophecy, the Israeli state had to continue, not in the borders it has today but within its broad historical boundaries." And current PM Olmert, "For thousands of years, we Jews have been nourished and sustained by a yearning for OUR HISTORIC LAND. I, like many others, was raised with a deep conviction that the day would never come when we would have to relinquish parts of the land of our forefathers. I believed, and to this day still believe, in our people's eternal and historic RIGHT to this ENTIRE LAND."(emphasis added) So any talk by Israelis to the contrary is just a bunch of lies. They've wanted the whole thing from the beginning, so how can the Israelis be considered to be negotiating in good faith? They can't. Again, the vast majority of the people who inhabit Israel are NOT the people Abraham spoke of--not even RELATED. You're NOT entitled to it simply for converting to Judaism, AND those people are only supposed to be given the land by UPHOLDING the COVENANT--which they have not and are not currently doing. They're just taking it by force. And you wonder why people have a hard time trusting you?
39. FM
israeli ,   israel   (10.19.06)
You are quoting Palestinian sources quoting Jewish/Israeli leaders. Have you ever considered that they might be making up things in order to turn the entire world against Israel? Have you never heard of Nazi-Soviet-Arab propaganda? Educate yourself a little bit by putting Palestinian sources aside and learning a bit of real history. http://www.chechenpress.co.uk/english/news/2006/09/10/01.shtml http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_zionists_impact.php
40. reality
FM ,   Seattle, USA   (10.19.06)
what about the two main points I keep raising: that you're not the "chosen People" and that you're not entitled by God to take Palestine as your own?I can't help it that Palestinians (or their sympathizers) have the iniative to let the world know what's going on, that their info is available. I'm a little surprised that you assume it's propaganda. Why? Because it doesn't compliment what Zionism has done? And there you go again with the "everyone hates us" and "everyone is against us" bullshit. What would be the point or the benefit of turning the whole world against israel? It just sounds conceited to me that you would think something like that. As if the it's all about you guys. in any event nobody has to do anything but look and see what you are doing and what you have done to turn against you--no 'help' is needed...just open eyes. Your denial of your nation's history is like others denying the holocaust. Are trying to say Ben Gurion, Begin, Dayan, etc, didn't say those things? They can be found in Jewish encyclopedias and from purely Jewish sources. Grow up, wake up. Realize that your nation is an abomination.
41. israelis involved
adrian ,   surrey estate, South   (10.21.06)
coincidence when syria was forced out of lebanon Israel Attacked lebanon borders! citing " hizbullah" was hiding there in cities and residential areas. Majority killed were innocence! Also another point jus before the cease fire date Israel launched 300 Cluster Bombs in residential areas of lebanon and each bomb has smaller undetonated bombs inside it so people who should come into contact with them by walking over it would detonate it! So you tell me the killing is still continuing whether or not Israel has stopped launching the rockets.
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