1. Breaking a curfew?
The report wants to justfy the muder in KQ. The report says that the people were breaking the so-called curfew. The truth is the people who were murdered were returning home from their fields ,and were not aware that there was a curfew imposed by the Isreali army.
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2. I am wondering:
did any of the Arab MKs visit the Yad Vashem museum in Jerusalem? Did any of the terrorists before committing their acts of terror use their brains considering the consequences?
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3. Arabs want it both ways?
On the one hand, the Holocaust NEVER happened.
On the other, they want to be treated like the victims of the Holocaust?
They need to get busy with some kind of creative work....definately too much time on their hands and too much westernized/victimization attitude. It is they who are the aggressors!
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4. The biggest threat to Israel are the Arab citizen traitors.
The majority of the Arabs in Israel support terrorists. They should be deported before it's too late.
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5. They are not Shoah survivors
When 6 million Arabs are exterminated and the rest are rounded up and expelled from the Middle East, the handful who are left can be treated like Shoah survivors.
| Kyle , |
Southpark, CO, USA |
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6. How do 49 civilians killed during a war...
by a confused police unit compare with the state policy of Germany during WWII to exterminate all the Jews in existence; and managining to murder 6.000.000?
"Education Minister Yuli Tamir is clearly not firing on all cylinders!
| joseflklein , |
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7. The fifth column moves again
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8. #1 - Israel censured, did NOT try to justify KQ
Israel, the military and the government, did not try to excuse Kfar Qassam. It was immediately recognized as a tragedy, the soldiers were tried and punished and, as a result, the IDF completely overhauled its policy towards civilians. It developed a specific law in which a soldier is REQUIRED to disregard orders if asked to behave unethically (like the close range shooting of civilians for breaking curfew). This KQ incident is taught, censured and talked about not only in schools but in every single course in the IDF. Why? Because we want to learn from our mistakes, better ourselves, strive to behave more morally.
Since then, such an incident has not been repeated. Call Qana and Jenin whatever you like, but the fact of the matter is, that the bullets and bombs were targeted (and also hit) gunmen/militants/terrorists /whatever you choose to call them. However, there has not been another 'Qassam' (close-range shooting of unarmed civilians) since 1956. That's half a decade.
Perhaps if the Palestinian government would treat suicide bombings the way that the Israeli government has treated Kfar Qassam (i.e. instead of suicide bombers families being rewarded with money, having schools and streets named after them, dressing children up like that for holidays, etc. rather teaching that it's bad and you should learn about it, censure it and try not to do it in the future) then MAYBE this region might have a chance. Until that happens, and as long as Palestinian government-subsidized elementary school textbooks talk about how great it is to be a martyr in the 'violent resistance against the evil Zionist entity', please don't talk about people trying to justify violence.
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9. Daisy.....100% correct
| jason axman , |
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10. Darwish speaks the truth
"The governments of Israel, since the very first one, base their policies only on muscles and never use their brains."
Yes, hence Israel's current predicament. Now, with any luck, it will use its brains and complete what Barakeh says began in 1948.
| Mike , |
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11. Taha
This man should be tried for a variety of crimes, the first of which is treason. Then we should revise our laws and hang him in Rabin Square in TA.
After that - sorting out the 5th column. Every Israeli citizen, if wishing to remain a citizen, should swear loyalty to the state and all of its founding principles. Breaking this oath should be punishable by banishment - the traitor should be first of all stripped of Israeli citizenship and either deported to Antarctica or tried for whichever crime he has commited while commiting treason.
Why the hell are we letting our state, which our fathers and grandfathers shed blood and sweat for, be destroyed by a bunch of OPEN TRAITORS?
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12. NON-MUSLIM DHIMMIS SUFFER IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES
The word dhimmitude comes from the Islamic legal designation “dhimmi.” It refers to the subjugated, non-Muslim individuals who accept restrictive and humiliating subordination to Islamic power in order to avoid enslavement or death.
The entire Muslim world as we know it today is a product of this 1,300 year-old jihad dynamic, whereby once thriving non-Muslim majority civilizations have been reduced to a state of dysfunction and dhimmitude.
The dhimmis are inferior beings who endure humiliation and aggression in silence...
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13. TRAITORS SCHMAITORS, ENUFF WITH THE HATERS!
Although Shoah comparisons can be very offensive and insensitive, I think this man's point is understandable, especially considering some of the revolting responses here. The memory of the killed should be honoured and survivors acknowledged. This does not make Jewish suffering any less significant. The idea that hundreds of thousands of people can just be "deported" to "wherever" smacks unmistakably of Nazism, and is utterly inhuman. I'm sure i'll get the standard response from Daisy and her ilk that i am nothing but a "self-hating Jew"/"your name is really Ahmed"/"traitor" etc etc but really that just makes me pity you. Of course i think that targeting Hamas, Hizbullah and Islamic Jihad killers is the way to go even though civilian casualties are a tragic outcome. No reasonable person can reconcile the Arabist ideology of Holocaust-denial, sexism, racism and victim-complex. While I do believe Zionism to have a clear and noble mission, it has been and is being corrupted by the REAL Jewish traitors - those whose only response, only suggestion is to do greater violence to our enemies. Arab Israelis are not enemies, they have lived in the land for a long time and they have rights which cannot be abrogated by the bigotry i have seen on this board. You should be ashamed of yourselves, if you were ignorant Bedouin living in the desert you could be forgiven your blind and simplistic views, but you are from America, supposedly the pinnacle of civilization!
| Yaqub Habibi , |
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14. To Yaqub #13
You wrote "The idea that hundreds of thousands of people can just be "deported" to "wherever" smacks unmistakably of Nazism."
And in that observation, you made a mistake. Population transfer took place in a variety of locations, including India and Pakistan, the Sudetenland in Czech Republic, the Balkans, Israel, and a variety of Arab and African states.
As for the rest, well, you say you recognize the mission of Zionism but you do not state it in writing. I think upon closer examination, you will find that Arab transfer (hopefully in a peaceful fashion) must occur in order to fulfill the promise of Zionism.
| Mike , |
Atlanta, USA |
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15. What happened at the Arab village of Kfar Kassem in 1956?
What happened at the Arab village of Kfar Kassem in 1956?
On October 29, 1956, on the eve of the Sinai Campaign, the Israeli army ordered all Israeli Arab villages near the Jordanian border placed under a wartime curfew that was to apply from 5 p.m. until 6 a.m. the next day. Any Arab on the streets was to be shot. The order was given to Israeli Border Police units at 3:30 before most of the Arabs from the villages could be notified. Many of them were at work at the time.
At Kfar Kassem, villagers began to arrive from work to their homes after the curfew. Israeli Border Police opened fire on them. A total of 47 Israeli Arabs were killed (some sources say 51 dead). The news of the killings was censored and the general Israeli public did not learn what happened until several weeks later when Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion announced the findings of a secret inquiry. The event was shocking to the Israeli public who demanded, and got, a full investigation. Prime Minister Ben Gurion said the act, "struck at the holiest principles of human morality", perhaps reminded of Nazis who claimed they were "just following orders".
The extensive investigation revealed that the local commander had issued an illegal order. As a result, about two years after the event, eleven border policemen were charged with crimes and eight were convicted of murder on the grounds that it is immoral to fire on unarmed civilians and no possible military order could justify that act. Among the convicted were the unit’s commander who had instructed his soldiers to "kill anyone who violated the curfew." Major Meilinki and Lt. Daham were sentenced: the former to 17 years and the latter to 15 years. Those who were imprisoned had their terms reduced; no one served more than three and a half years in jail.
The Israeli Supreme Court made a new ruling on the right and duty of soldiers to disobey unlawful orders. That ruling has been incorporated into Israeli martial law. On the 43rd anniversary of the incident (1999), Israeli civics teachers were instructed to lead a one-hour discussion on Kafr Kassem in their classes. Israel wants its future soldiers to understand the need to identify and disobey an illegal order in accordance with the Supreme Court ruling.
In contrast to Israel's Arab opponents, Israel takes the responsibility to protect civilian non-combatants very seriously indeed. Kafr Kassem has not been forgotten by Palestinian Arabs who refer to it inaccurately as a purposeful massacre. Israelis have not forgotten it either, as an example of a continuing need for a disciplined army, directed by civilian authority, that will live up to the high moral standards of the country.
Taken from http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_kfarkassem_1956.php
When Arabs & Palestinians threatened his government, King Hussein did not apologize, he initiated martial law and killed 1000's of civilians. It occurred in September 1970 and is known as the Black September in Arab history and sometimes is referred to as the "era of regrettable events." It was a month when Hashemite King Hussein of Jordan moved to quash an attempt by Palestinian organizations to overthrow his monarchy. The violence resulted in heavy civilian Palestinian casualties.
Jordan considered them a threat. I wonder how many protests are waged against Jordan by these Israeli Arabs on this 36th anniversary and past ones? Do they march? Do they light candles? Send protests to Jordan? Do they today call for an embargo of Jordanian goods by the world's democracies?
Estimates of the number of the people killed in the ten days of Black September range from three thousand to more than five thousand, although exact numbers are unknown.
Casualites at Kfar Kassem in 1956 were only 47 to 51 as some allege.
Sounds like the Arabs like to use a double standard when it comes to Israel and Israel willing obliges.
| Darren , |
Tampa, FL USA |
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16. JEWS MASSACRED by Islamists for WORSHIPPING Israel's G-D
Do Islamists
not fear Master of the Universe, the G-D
of
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who gave the Promised Land
to Jews?
Exodus 9:1 Thus says the L-RD, the G-d of the Hebrews,
"Let My people go, that they may serve Me"
Exodus 5:2 But Pharaoh said, "Who is the L-RD that I should obey His voice"
On March 27, 2002,
at the
Park Hotel in Netanya,
terrorists targeted for murder Jews honoring and
thanking G-D for His great mercy:
Exodus 12:14 “you shall celebrate it as a feast to the
L-RD”
Exodus 12:42 “It is a night to be observed for the
L-RD for having brought them out from the land of
Egypt;
this night is for the L-RD, to be observed by
all the sons of Israel throughout their generations.”
The Muslim human bomb killer murdered 30 Israelis as
the Jews obeyed G-D, taking part in the Passover meal.
140
Jewish
innocents were injured. The bomb was filled
with nails and other metal pieces to maximize
the
suffering of survivors.
On August 19, 2003, terrorists targeted for murder
Jews who worship G-D. The Muslim human
bomb killer blew himself up on the bus as Jews
returned
from prayer at the Western wall. The Temple Mount, the
holiest place on earth, is Judaism's holiest site.
The gruesome attack-the bomb
packed with metal pieces, killed 22 Jews and injured
134, many seriously.
Jerusalem is mentioned over 700
times in the
Hebrew Bible,
not once in the Koran.
If Jesus Christ had lived in our day, from the time
Jesus was
in his mother's womb, he would be targeted for murder
by Islamist
religious supremacists for being a Jew living in
his homeland of Israel.
The Palestinian
Authority hailed as heroes the
terrorists who brutally murdered defenseless 8 months
pregnant Jewish Gaza mother, Tali Hatuel,
and four
little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004.
In defiance of Israel's G-D, and
massively breaking
G-D's law given to Moses:
"YOU SHALL NOT MURDER"
the Palestinian Authority teach through their mosques,
media, summer camps, and public education system, that
murdering Jews is a religious obligation. Human
bomb killers of Jewish innocents are revered and
considered heroes by PA
society.
Effigies of burning buses are
features of PA school pageants
and summer camps. Schools, streets and sports teams are named after
suicide bombers.
Broadcast from Gaza mosque, Oct 13 2000, Dr. Ahmad Abu
Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by
Memri):
"Have no mercy on the Jews, no
matter where they are,
in any country. Fight them, wherever you are.
Wherever
you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those
Jews and those Americans who are like them..."
STOP Inciting Children to Kill !
http://www.teachkidspeace.com/flash.php
| Linda Rivera , |
New York |
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17. Jews are Regularly Massacred by Muslim Human Bomb Killers
PA Muslims celebrate in the streets and pass out sweets whenever Jewish innocents are murdered.
| Linda Rivera , |
New York |
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18. josefklein
Their was no state policy of Germany to exterminate all the Jews in existence. Hitler and his SS lieutenants wanted to rid Europe of Jews. The Nazi elites would not have gone to the trouble of killing Jews if they could have gotten rid of them by other means (if other countries would have taken them in, Palestine, etc...)
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19. Nr 4 Daisy
is absolutely correct. KAHANE CHAI !
| leon , |
Grand Rapids USA |
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20. George #18
What an odd statement you wrote. Please consult the following at least:
"Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine....Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle....Germany's objective [is]...solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere....In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely."
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html
| Mike , |
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21. Transfer since 1948
While Israeli Arabs are deserving of full rights and opportunities, they are unfortunately only half of the story; the other half they deliberately ignore. Transfer, as M. Baraqeh noted, started in 1948. It continued throughout the following decades so that after more than 26 centuries the Near East is virtually "Judenrein" except for Israel and a handful of Jews in the Arab and Moslem world. Israel has absorbed many of the transferred Jews, while the Moslem world has not. A viable Palestinian state could, but the fanatics on both sides will prevent that. A pox on them for making this world as it is.
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22. No problem with Arabs but a major problem with Muslims !
Not all Arabs are Muslims and those that are not should be given a fair shake of the dice.
Islam's declared intention is the destruction of not only Israel but the rest of the non-Islamic world and its rule by Sharia so Muslims are by definition 'our' enemy.
To anyone wanting to say ‘and what about moderate Muslims?’, I would answer, ‘there are none’.
One need only be attentive to understand that the so called ‘moderates’ only say such things as ‘I wouldn’t commit an act of terror (who knows what they believe to be ‘terror’ ? ) but then add ‘of course I understand why others do’.
| redmike , |
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23. Bravo # 8 & 15 !
These two comments/talkbacks are excellent - were our israeli hasbara so convincing in all PR matters... One can respect the so called "palestinian narrative", but we Israelis must explain more convincingly our israeli interpretation of facts.
| Frankie , |
Tel Aviv |
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24. To Yaqub - about transfer
First of all, Israelis don't share Arab's interests that Arabs are a persecuted class in Israel. They are like the snotty kid in 3rd grade who always jibed you but said you can't hit them because they wear glasses. They bring the attitude that Israelis have about them on themselves because they always talk about rights, never talk about their obligations, and their leaders don't have a single good word to say about Israel unless threatened with losing Israeli citizenship.
Yaqub, the only discussion of "transfer" going on in Israel is not actually a discussion of "transfer" but is rather a proposal for redrawing of the boundary between the PA and Israel, in the context of a permanent agreement with the PA, such that border villages like Kfar Kassem are under the jurisdiction of Palestinians, and Jewish border villages such as Kiryat Sefer are under Israeli rule. Nobody gets kicked out of their house, everybody lives under the rule of the People they identify with, and the prospect of conflict is therefore significantly lessened in the long run. This is consistent with the UNSCR's that required negotiation of the boundary between the Israeli and so-far non-existent Arab states that were proposed to exist between the Jordan and Medeterranean Sea.
It's clear that the Arabs of these towns, and quite possibly the majority of Israeli Arabs, do not see themselves as Israeli in the sense that that definition points to the principles outlined in our country's Declaration of Independence, national anthem and flag. Why would anybody consider it inhuman to reverse this mistake and provide them with the framework within which they can exercise their "national self determination", and us a relief from their churlish banter in the Knesset? I think that it's not Nazi at all to propose this, when you make an objective comparison. We don't propose to confiscate their properties, remove them from their jobs in Israel (they would retain work permits), or kill them, as Nazi's did to us. The Nazi's did not, after all, seek to provide us with territories upon which we could live our life as we wished. Rather, I think the proposal is the most realistic of all those on the table at the moment.
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25. What are they still doing in our homeland?
Israel's political correctness has made the Arab Muslims bold and they have learned that they will get attention if they scream.
I have no problem with loyal and integrated minorities like the Druze and many Christian Arabs but the Muslim Arabs should long ago have been transferred to Arab countries where they still oppress non-Arabs and non-Muslims.
No rights for people who dream about Israel's destruction. Simple as that.
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26. staying
we are all here to stay but not for long - irans nuclear capability will ensure that the arabs will be very relieved refugees
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27. mike
According to your source it says Hitler "rebuffed the Mufti's requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs" in November 1941. Then your source says something odd. It quotes Hitler but uses the wrong verb tenses (i.e. Germany STOOD for uncompromising war against the Jews, instead of STANDS; etc... so this is obviously a third party account). At any rate your source says nothing about Hitler's supposed war against the middle eastern Jews after making this supposed statement. I guess I need more convincing that Hitler actively attempted to wipe out all the Jews in the world.
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28. Dirty lying traitors
| Adam , |
Jerusalem, Israel |
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29. to # 16 linda rivera
dear linda,
I am an arab christian, I want to tell you that jesus was the first palestinian myrter that killed by the jews.
| hanzalah naji ali , |
al shajara |
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30. and jews to the shiekh: "we're here to stay"
leiberman is no more racist than you are. actually, even less so (he doesn't scream for the arabs' murder).
| mike , |
israel (formerly usa |
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