Opinion  Guy Benyovits
Come out, religious homosexuals
Guy Benyovits
Published: 31.10.06, 15:07
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1. Don't
Josh   (10.31.06)
...cause what happens in the closet stays in the closet. Most heterosexuals don't give a hoot about gay perversion, they would rather not know. They will, however, hate you with a passion for parading in the streets and selling it to the children.
2. Stupid idea
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (10.31.06)
So what if there are gay haredim? That doesn't mean it is a good thing to do, or a natural form of human behavior. There are haredim with diseases, but that doesn't mean that diseases are good. And there are haredim that commit crimes, and are rude and annoying. It doesn't mean that it is good to behave that way. Such a stupid column!!
3. They want fresh meat
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (10.31.06)
They can't reproduce, so they must recruit and obtain "fresh meat." So this so-called "Pride Parade" is a mass hump just in order to troll for new converts.
4. Leave me the hell alone!
Not interested ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (10.31.06)
I am an IDF veteran, 100% straight dati guy, who happens to live in the vicinity of a gay club. Stop telling me that I am "in denial" when I don't respond to your advances, don't call me a "homophobe" when I turn down your invitations, stop hanging out in my stairwell smoking dope and humping each other, don't try grabbing my ass while I try to go upstairs to my apartment. Just stay the hell away from me! Thank you and I will return the favor.
5. animals
rob ,   nyc   (10.31.06)
there are many people out there that enjoy sleeping with animals it is high time the rabbis stopped shunning these people, allow them to also be part of the community, i am waiting for a rabbi to say that bestiality is fine,
6. This is not worthy of being read!!
Jabroni ,   New York   (10.31.06)
With all that goes on in the world, this is what Ynet chooses to post as a headline piece? Shame on you fools. If only Arutz Sheva was quicker about posting news articles, nobody would visit this ridiculous site!
7. To 1 & 2
Yossi ,   Tel Aviv   (10.31.06)
You insulting, hateful people--because Mr Benyovits advocates an idea that runs contrary to your religious beliefs, you have to belittle his opinion by calling it "stupid" and by insulting the people who struggle with discovering that they, much to their surprise and against their will, were created as homosexuals. This comes from a former yeshiva bachur who is gay and appreciates this column, even if I don't think his recommendation would be in the best interest of homosexuals who still live in haredi communities.
8. he reiterates same bologna
david ,   new haven usa   (10.31.06)
he states as fact that people are simply BORN "gay" or heterosexual. this is a myth that has been perpetuated by homosexuals. their reasoning is as follows: if it is in-born and not simply something the person chose then: 1. they are legitimate and the heterosexuals can not say they are perverts 2. whoever does a homosexual act "belongs" to the homosexual "community" (and hence they are more powerful and important) the heterosexuals go along with it because: they can feel more secure in their sexuality because they were born normal. the truth is that all people have a homosexual potential, just like everyone has a potential to rape or murder. you can become a habitual rapist just like you can become a habitual homosexual: it is based on how you run your life. i have done a search on the literature and i found absolutely no evidence to support the inborn idea.
9. Guy Benyovits- Is DEFINATELY GAY and LEFTIST
Rustum ,   London, UK   (10.31.06)
doesnt get much worse! look at the picture of him...A fat Gay leftist, most likely an ASHKENAZI as well. Why does Ynet have such Idiotic writers? Or is this a true representation of Israel? Is this the best the jewish people have to offer? PATHETIC
10. He forgot to mention......
Yosef   (10.31.06)
All those that are PROUD to be rapists should come and join the parade! All those that are PROUD to be pedophiles should come out and join the parade! All those that are PROUD to be murderers should come out and join the parade! All those that are PROUD to be thievs should come out and join the parade! All those that are PROUD to be anything that is shamefull and an abomination in the eyes of G-D, this is THE PARADE for you! Have lots of fun!
12. Let's seee....
Avi Tuchmayer ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (10.31.06)
Guy says "God doesn't care about your sexual orientation, as long as you are honest, good, and decent people". The Torah says God does, in fact, care about sexual activity, even for honest, good and decent people. Who would YOU believe?
13. God does not care?
Rafi Goldmeier ,   Bet Shemesh, Israel   (10.31.06)
It is not my business whether someone is homosexual or heterosexual and everybody can sleep with whomever they want behind closed doors and it will not bother me. But how can you argue that God does not care about your sexual orientation as long as you are a good, honest and decent person? How can you say that when He gave a strict prohibition in the Torah and called it an abonimation? You want to sleep with adults of the same gender, go ahead, but do not tell anybody that God does not care. He obviously does or he would not have prohibited it.
14. Have the Orthodox ever heard of the Shechina?
David ,   Marietta USA   (10.31.06)
No one ever credited the Jews with being a tolerant, non-stiff necked crew. Funny though, if we make the cosmic assumption that God created all of us, what in heaven's name (literally, and figuratively) was He/She/Them thinking when he created gays and made sure they continued throughout the ages, all over the world? It isn't as if homosexuality is a modern phenomenon. Gays have been present from the beginning. My spin on the Cain-Abel story: The two are out in a field, something happened that was so horrifying, that one kills the other. I don't think Abel was trying to steal Cain's shekels, which hadn't been invented yet. It is a story of homosexuality and violence. When Cain rhetorically responds to God's question regarding being his brother's keeper, the implicit answer to God's question is that you damn well ARE your brother's keeper, even if I made him queer. And the fear of sexuality of any kind, gay or straight, the need to suppress this fundamental instinct is derived not from the Jewish religion, but from the teachings of a misogynistic Church, working very hard in the dark and middle ages to establish its political feet in the wreckage of post Roman, very hedonistic Europe. That concept is very un-Jewish. So bigots of the world in general, and Israel particular, block the parade if you must. But you make yourselves look stupid. My 2 shekels on the controversy.
15. #9 Rustum: definitely Gay & RACIST
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (10.31.06)
You think Guy is hot, don't you?
16. #7
A chazan   (10.31.06)
Yossi, is that you????
17. Hurt??? Private???
(10.31.06)
"As long as you don't hurt anyone".....a line repeated time and again. Your ignorance about the definition of "hurt" is beyond me. An honest look in the mirror will tell you the "hurt" and "decay" that a small minority have inflicted on society is absolutely enormous. Yes I am HURT by these activities.....and no a parade down the holy streets of Jerusalem is by no means private.
18. Instead of gel, a solid!
enzo ,   london,uk   (10.31.06)
Guy, your article is not going to stimulate discussion. If anything, it will foment "apartheid"! While you're trying to gel different aspects of Israeli society which seem incompatible with each other, with this article you will only solidify differences as old as the world. I wish I was wrong.
19. Ve-al tadin et chavercha ad she-tagia li-mkomo Pirke Avos2:5
Jonathan ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (10.31.06)
The hate in most of these talkbacks is shameful. All people are created in the image of HaShem. Don't judge a person until you have been in his shoes. Ve-al tadin et chavercha ad she-tagia li-mkomo (Pirke Avos 2:5).
20. G-d created all, gay and straight
Natasha ,   London   (10.31.06)
The religious fanatics should be ashamed of themselves for criticising others. Homosexuality is not a crime, not a sin, nor is it immoral. The sooner they come out and show themselves with pride the better.
21. Jerusalem, not of Gold but of hatred
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (10.31.06)
Jerusalem, the icon of Judaism, has become a city filled with hatred. The Jews and Arabs hate each other. The Religious, particularly the Ultra Orthodox, hate the secular. The Right hates the Left. Now we have hatred of Gays by Jews, Arabs and the Right. Stop for one moment before your next tirade about the "perversions" and "sickness" of the Homosexual "filth", to use the words of a Religious idiot in the Knesset Sub-Committee yesterday. In that moment, think back to 1933. Think of what a little man with a small moustache said about Jews: "Filth", "Perverision". Is this what you want, A Gay Free Israel or a "Gayrein Fatherland"? Have you placed your order for gas to complete the job the Nazis did on Homosexuals during the Holocaust? Is Eli Yishay, the Minister of Trade and Industry, going to build camps for the "resettlement" of Gays Nazi Style? I know some of you will condemn me for comparing our Homophobic fanatics to the Nazis. Before you scream, think about what you a saying. Is there a difference? What is shocking is that Jews will conspire with the Arabs and the Homophobic Churches to condemn, insult and vilify Jews whose crime is that they have chosen an alternate life style. Those are the Arabs who supported Nasrallah in the recent war and condemned Israel for defending herself. What, they hate Gays and now they are you best friends? As far as I am concerned, Jerusalem, the City of Hate, is not worth the trouble it causes. The religious have made Jerusalem into a God, our version of the cross and the Torah forbids this! "Thou shalt not have other gods before me". Have you forgotten the Golden Calf story? You might remember the fate of Datan and his followers. Jerusalem is a city, a place where people live and die. A place where the rich get richer and poor starve to death. A place of beauty and a place of hideous slums that resemble hell holes in the Third World. Instead of attacking the Gay community, why don't you homophobes get you own house in order. Deal with the child abuse in this country, the wife beaters and the rabbis who condone violence and child rape. I certainly would not hold the Gay Parade in Jerusalem. Who the hell wants to go to such an abominable place of hate and cruelty?
22. "that everyone is allowed to do whatever one wishes ..
Mahmoud ,   Jerusalem   (10.31.06)
in private". Some may want to have sex with children, dogs, and monkeys. Any perversion is okay as long as it is done in private according to Benyovits. Benyovits sounds like a sex pervert running loose in society. At least he acknowledges the perversion Jews have brought to our Holy City of Jerusalem.
23. Good call
arthur ,   New York   (10.31.06)
Good going
24. Jerusalem of Hate?
Arthur ,   New York   (10.31.06)
It sounds like You have a lot of hate within you, and I think it is the left, the secularists that hate the ultra-orthodox just as much and much more. I advise you to straighten out your issues-You do not sound liker a happy person.
25. THE TORAH DECIDES NOT US....................
Joe   (10.31.06)
PERIOD
26. What's up?
Alin ,   Bucharest,Romania   (10.31.06)
Hello! What is happening here?I thought this is not a leftists' news channel.....Why morons are publishing so-called articles here?
27. No. 20 Natasha on sin, crime and immorality
MARK ROBERTSON ,   LISBON PORTUGAL   (10.31.06)
Who are you to decide what is a crime, a sin or is immoral? You merely reflect current PC norms. The point is that the gay movement promotes homosexuality as a valid lifestyle, when it is in fact a compulsive/obsessive disorder. The moral relativism advocated by Natasha and her ilk trails after the moral decay of society and gradually an successively converts deviant behaviour into a human right. Why not a march by drug addicts or anorexics to promote their "valid lifestyles". The gay movement is proof of the denial, which is typical of compulsive/obsessive disorders.
28. Secular Gays Can Change
Jerry   (10.31.06)
You can enjoy a fulfilling, family life with children and grandchildren. http://www.jonahweb.org/
29. Tel-Aviv: Yes, Jerusalem: No
Jordan ,   Toronto, Canada   (10.31.06)
As a typical liberal Jew, I am proud that Israel celebrates tolerance through the Gay Pride Parade and recognize that homosexuality is not in any way a threat to society. But I am against holding the parade in the holy (and volatile) city of Jerusalem rather than modern Tel-Aviv. There is a point where you have to say its not worth it. It will anger all the major religions and the safety of the participants cannot be guaranteed. I don't want to imagine the international response will be if someone gets hurt by a fundamentalist Rabbi. People are looking for any reason to vilify Israel. Hold it in Tel-Aviv and have a blast. But please respect the deep sensitivities of Jerusalem and the safety of the participants.
30. most people couldn't give a toss what gays do in private
redmike ,   tel aviv & london   (10.31.06)
but their seeming continual desire to have marches and their need to prove themselves 'Good As You' - is I believe really starting to cause a backlash. I am sick of hearing about them and their needs to march and be accepted etc etc Most straights couldn't care less what gays do in bed or don't do and we just wish that they'd back off - no pun intended :-) My advice to gays 'do what you want to do and stop being pests!'.
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