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One story isn't enough
Amnon Toledano
Published: 29.11.06, 18:11
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1. Finally an opinion that i care for.
AR ,   cali USA   (11.29.06)
Honestly what did you people think? Iran was going to build nukes and bomb the holy land? How stupid how childish how niave. Khamenie knows what happened to the jews in germany. He dont want that to happen to him in iran. Trust me the iranians dont hate jews. They are for the most part indifferent. Know if Khameni nuked israel he wouldnt just have problems with the wrest of the world think how much support he would have at home. I appreciate the authors opinions and i wish more people would analyize situations from another point of view. Apathy.
2. Self-apeasement or "it wont happen again"
Daniel ,   Formerly Israel   (11.29.06)
Mr. Toledano thinks that he can somehow supress the exestential threa to Israel by saying that it can't exist. He's basically saying that because the Holocaust already happened it cannot happen again. The lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice is not applicable to History, because History is not like lightning, it's like a gun, and what Mr.Tolendo is saying is that a gun won't hit the same place twice. Well the gun of history has a will of its own, an it picks the points it likes to hit and hits them again and again, and even if that last statement is not true, you can simply learn from trial and error. in the 1930s the historical gun (in Hitler's hand) was aimed at the Jews: He said he was going to fire it, he fired it, and it hit exactly where it was aiming. Now Ahmedinajained is aiming the gun at the Jews again, and is making his intentions to fire it inescapably clear,. Only a fool or a coward can try to talk himself and others into believing that since last time the gun hit, this time it will somehow miss. Oh, and you can'tnegotiate with a gun.
3. compare
isiaiah   (11.30.06)
the iranian president must get to understand that islam should have offered to rescue all jews from europe because pagan nazis hated moses jesus and mohammed and planned extermination . therefore the un created israel and palestine with jerusalem in the middle of the arab state . war against this judgement was a cime against humanity and G-D and it is not too late for iran to accept the humanitarian declaration of a state for jews and a state for palestinians .
4. Toledano is off the mark
arn ,   Tel-Aviv   (11.30.06)
If Iran gets nuclear capabilities Israel is doomed. A few other countries in this region will be erased as well - possibly even Iran. Palestine would be a one line footnote in some dusty history book. But Israel would be doomed. As a psychologist Mr. Toledano should ask himself if a man as degenerate as Ahmadinejad who invites cartoons on one of the most grotesque tragedies we had suffered in our lifetime had access to the buttons. Would he press them? You betcha!
5. Analyze THIS!
RIB ,   USA   (11.30.06)
http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2005/10/why-havent-we-seen-this.html http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961353170&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=2 Well, If it 'Walks like a Duck . . .'! I'll form my own opinions based on the available information. You! Well, trust what you can.
6. Maybe this will help-
RIB ,   USA   (11.30.06)
http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_19010.shtml
7. isnt it the tIME about show the FACE
Atilla Karagözoğlu ,   Istanbul / Turkey   (11.30.06)
The fear is enough. what is our difference? I strongly believe that ; MAN WHO IS STRONG MAN WHO DONT AFRAID TO START TO TALK POSITIVE TO WORLD. WHAT HE LOSE ? a simple life ? a simple hate&love supports of others ? or WE STARTS TO EARN THE GOD'S SYMPATY ? All the bad guys were with SELF HATE in World history. All the good guys were PHILOSOPHICAL in World history Now, WHAT WE NEED ? a changing. TO THROW ALL RADICAL GROWINGS OUT . I MEAN ALL. ALL COLORS. Do we need AN ANGLE for that ? No, not at all. There must be a man, who deadly wish to have the power to rule the world into better lives for the universal love. We got to stop EXPECT SOMEONE FROM THE SKY. He must be inside of world. He must have the vision. All he needs A POSITIVE ENERGY all human creates than He uses that energy for The Peace & The Love of world. That guy must also know how to deal with hate. How to turn the hate into love. Who will support him. I am sure he doent want to be a king. I am sure HE IS A GIFT, we just need. So, Who is he ?
8. right, but wrong!
tom ,   toronto, canada   (11.30.06)
mr toledano means to say that "concensus", which implies a lack of differences of opinion, is bad, rather than "conception", which is essential to forming an understanding from the facts. without a "concept" we are hopelessly trapped in the details of the instant, trying to respond to each and every event as it happens, whether it is significant or not, while missing the overall strategic intention. and this is a trap that our leaders seem to have fallen into. but the comparison of ahmadinejad to hitler is not merely rhetorical: he believes that he is on a mission from god to conquer the world, that his faith exempts him from the norms of moral behaviour, and his intentions are obvious in the buildup of country's military capabilities. furthermore, because of his beliefs, it is unlikely that any concessions (i.e. "appeasement") short of complete surrender will satisfy him. in fact, just as with hitler, negotiations will only reinforce his assumption that the west is too weak politically to resist and therefore result in escalation, as we are seeing. we can understand the consequences of a delusional maniac equipping a huge army with the most modern weapons, and preaching world conquest, without accusing ourselves of being trapped in the holocaust - the "conception" is based on the cold, clear reality, of not repeating past mistakes.
9. Iranian people will attack Israel
Itzik ,   Haifa   (11.30.06)
The author based his fantasy on a far left-wing EU paper. The problem is not the leader of Iran or its religious leaders. The problem is the people of Iran. They want all Jews dead, repeat dead. Their leader is just doing what they want. Many more people in Iran support the leader than Arabs support Hamas. Most Muslems in US support Iran. The liberals in US also support Iran (have you seen Mike Wallas (CBS) talking to their leader). They love him. Stop doing your phychology tricks. Lok at the facts!
10. Why this position is wrong
Aaron   (11.30.06)
This author is a psychologist and tries to explain in a in a Proust sorta way that: 1) the Jews were threatened by Hitler and that threat was carried out and 2) Jews are threatened by Iran but Iran is not Hitler --> therefore, nothing to worry about Kinda like those who are burnt by soup blow on yogurt. Furhter more Toledano expresses that Jewish desire to neutralize preceived threats is a desire to right the wrongs of the past (the Holocaust being ingrained in our minds). In essence, Jewish fear of Iran is a reaction to perceived parallels to the Holocaust. Now while I agree that the Holocaust has shaped Jewish psyche it by means is a FALSE interpretation of the current Iran situation. Yes, Iran is a dynamic country and not one dimensional, but its hostility towards Israel has never ceased and it pursues active militarization (testing and development of shahab missles and hind submarines) in addition to a somewhat clandestine nuclear program. Couple this with the bellicose rhetoric of Iranian leaders past and present (denials of Shoah and desires to wipe our country of the map), the threat becomes manifest. I believe Iran tested Israel in the Hizballah conflict this summer, gathering intelligence on tactics and public opinion. They are gearing up for something and it would be foolish and downright suicidal NOT to take the threat seriously - I'd rather be prepared and wrong than unprepared and right. Toledano is right, there is a new reality but the answers DO lie in 1938. When there is a threat and you see it growing, you must meet it head on or you have one helluva fight on your hands. That what the lesson of World War II was. The Holocaust's lesson was that threats WILL be carried out if there is a means to do so. Therefore, prevent the development of those means and and deal appropriately with the person making those threats. Shalom
11. Correction to my post in 10
(11.30.06)
Now while I agree that the Holocaust has shaped Jewish psyche it by means is a FALSE interpretation of the current Iran situation. ----------------------------- Meant to write: Now while I agree that the Holocaust has shaped Jewish psyche it IS by NO means is a FALSE interpretation of the current Iran situation. Thanks
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