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Clergy: US holds key to Mideast peace
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Published: 14.12.06, 18:32
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1. Clergy and peace
silvio ,   italy   (12.14.06)
The Clericals does thing understand for Peace? Surrender Israel to the Moslems? They don't remember these big Religious that Israel is fully grown from: Israel, Samaria, Judea? These devotees like they want to finish the State from Israel?
2. peace
jj ,   montreal canada   (12.14.06)
Before there can be peace , they must recognize Israel's right to exist, defend it's self, Jerusalem as Israel's capitol and stopping terrorists. Then we will have peace otherwise we will have peace when Moshiach comes. May he come imidiately in our day amen
3. In Mideast,anybody for peace? If Peace, Islamists show over!
KMR ,   Middle East   (12.14.06)
Hudhna is in their mind !! (Time out to prepare & attack in force)
4. Not all Christians think like this!!!
jan ,   roseville, usa   (12.14.06)
Please note: Real Word Christians are not calling on our leaders to establish a 2 state in Israel. We do not and wil not press for a continuance of the disasterous road map to peace(destruction). We have formed a different group called Christians United For Israel. We are contacting our Congressmen and Senators for their support for the success of Israel, not for their destruction. The Word tells us that the Land is not to be divided, and that there would be consequences for those that try to divide it. We are pressing the government for military aid, financial aid for Israel to succeed against their enemies. Real Word Christians will never sit still and let the land be taken over by thugs and decendents of the Anti-Christ. Long live Israel--home of Yashua!!!!!
5. national leader of the Islamic Society of North America.
Arie ,   Afula   (12.14.06)
peace is to islam as giant is to shrimp - an oxymoron!
6. Duh, search for peace may be bad for your health.
sk ,   USA   (12.14.06)
Jeez, you'd think clergy would understand that all this needful search for peace is on one side only, and it is responsible for all the war that Israel is involved in. So, if we all want unending war, all we need to do is continue peace processing. If, instead you want peace, that will be achieved when the enemy is utterly defeated. This is very easy for Israel to do. It can shut down electricity and water in Gaza and wait for the Pals to flee by themselves. The hangers on can be driven out. As nearly all Pals have adopted a anti-Semitic Nazi-inspired ideology, there are no "innocent civilians." Even if there are some, there were plenty in Dresden as well.
7. If you don't sign we cut off your troat
Illia ,   Israel   (12.14.06)
They had no choice. These guys are so afraid if Islamics that they will sign anything to stay alive. Otherwise Islamics will bomb their Churches.
8. Key is in USA, Prophet Elijah is in the USA
Eliyahoo haNavi ,   Universe   (12.14.06)
See website http://members.aol.com/YouthForMoshiach/ for Prophecies of Eliyahoo HaNavi
9. US clergy
Connie ,   VA, USA   (12.14.06)
Just as I thought. The more liberal churches are the signers of this statement. The evangelical churches would sign no such document that would put Israel at risk and give her enemies the upper hand.
10. USA cannot cure the irrational hatreds of the Middle East
Cameron ,   USA   (12.14.06)
So all the various clergy blame and expect the US to clean up the religous/cultural bile? Wonderful-as we can all see in Iraq, irrationality and spiteful venom can defeat the best of intentions. I have nothing but contempt for that sort of self-righteous sniveling. Outrageous that religious figures, of all people, should squall at the US about a problem that originates from within them.
11. #4 It's not the secular Israeli govt. that you're looking fo
Eliyahoo haNavi ,   Universe   (12.14.06)
You should support the Ultra Religious people in Israel, and help them form a religious govt. They are the real inheriters of Israel. See site http://members.aol.com/youthformoshiach/ By Eliyahoo haNavi
12. Replacement thelogy
#9 ,   richmond   (12.14.06)
All of so called christan churches on this list are replacement thelogy. These are churches that belive their church has replaced isreal. This means they belive the destruction of Isreal will not affect them . I disagree and encourage all christains to leave these churches.
13. The real christians of the US want peace
John ,   USA   (12.14.06)
Everyone wants peace, how could you not? This is the largest Christian group in the country, and they want GWB to work on peace, and not just green light Israeli policy.
14. this all sounds wonderful but.......
SAM ,   USA   (12.14.06)
Have these people forgitten Israel unconditionally withdrew from the Gaza Strip, ending occupation and the "Palistinians" couldnt get the "State" together. This is the biggest concern the Arabs had and the Palistinians still attacked israel and NEVER formed any kind of government Have they forgotten Barak , who wanted to give just about everything to the Palistinians and they didnt even respond with thier idea of what they needed. Just a little ole intifadah. Boy, that sounds like the Arabs want peace. Do I need to go oin? WHO really needs to be pressured? Look, appeasing the aggressor Arabs isnt working. Time to show some strength instead of more weakness. Ex President Carter sent in motion the aggresiveness of the Arab and muslim world by being a weak and pathetic excuse for a US President. Do these clergymen want to follow Carter by ignoring the fact that the Arab has not demonstrated any intention of making peace? That the Arabs always responded with more violence? I guess I would respond with more violence too seeing that it works.
15. HYPOCRITES IGNORE Vicious PERSECUTION of PA CHRISTIANS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.14.06)
Road Map architects U.S. EU UN - PA/PLO/Hamas political agenda keeps Palestinian Authority Christians persecuted. Take BETHLEHEM and other CHRISTIAN towns inside the green line now! PLO terrorists conducted horrific jihad against Lebanon's Christians murdering huge numbers. http://www.free-lebanon.com Photo gallery - 20,000 Christians handicapped by PLO atrocities. PLO savagery was rewarded - the PLO were implanted into Israel as "peace" partner terrorists through Oslo covenant with death to continue their barbaric jihad against Israel's infidel Jews and Christians. Christians in PA areas suffer horrendous persecution under cruel occupation of PA/PLO/Hamas, et al. Christianity Dying In Its Birthplace By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | September 13, 2005 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19453 "What some observers are calling a pogrom took place near Ramallah, West Bank, on the night of Sep. 3-4. That’s when fifteen Muslim youths from one village, Dair Jarir, rampaged against Taybeh, a neighboring all-Christian village of 1,500 people. The Ajajs and their friends broke into houses and stole furniture, jewelry, and electrical appliances. They threw Molotov cocktails at some buildings and poured kerosene on others, then torched them. The damage included at least 16 houses, some stores,a farm, and a gas station. The assailants vandalized cars, looted extensively, and destroyed a statue of the Virgin Mary. “It was like a war,” one Taybeh resident told The Jerusalem Post. Hours passed before the Palestinian Authority security and fire services arrived. The fifteen assailants spent only a few hours in police detention, then were released. As for Khouriyye, the Palestinian police arrested him, kept him jail, and (his family says) have repeatedly beat him. A cousin, Suleiman Khouriyye, pointed to his burned house. “They did this because we’re Christians. They did this because we are the weaker ones.” The Khouriyyes and others recall the assailants shouting Allahu Akbar and anti-Christian slogans: “Burn the infidels, burn the Crusaders.” This assault fits a larger pattern. According to the Catholic Custodian of the Holy Land, Pierbattista Pizzaballa, Christians in the Bethlehem region alone have suffered 93 cases of injustice in 2000-04. In the worst of these, in 2002, Muslims murdered the two Amre sisters, 17 and 19 years old, whom they called prostitutes. A post-mortem, however, showed the teenagers to have been virgins – and to have been tortured on their genitals. “Almost every day – I repeat, almost every day – our communities are harassed by the Islamic extremists in these regions,” Pizzaballa says. “And if it’s not the members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, there are clashes with … the Palestinian Authority.” In addition to the Islamists, a “Muslim land mafia” is said to operate. With PA complicity. it threatens Christian land and house owners, often succeeding to compel them to abandon their properties. The campaign of persecution has succeeded...Bethlehem and Nazareth, historic Christian towns for nearly two millennia, are now primarily Muslim. In 1922, Christians outnumbered Muslims in Jerusalem; today, Christians amount to a mere 2 percent of that city’s population." "Islamic mafia accused of persecuting Holy Land Christians" http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/09/wmid09.xml Every single agreement has been broken by the PA/PLO. Declare Oslo, Road Map and ALL agreements NULL and VOID. IDF, HELP! Stop Islamic cruelty. Liberate Christians now!
16. Peace in the ME
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (12.14.06)
Neither the US nor the good Christians are the key to peace in the ME. Only the Palis hold that key, and they, obviously, have no intentions to use it until and unless it's no longer ever so profitable not to use it.
17. No. 12
NYC Girl   (12.15.06)
Thank you for making the point about replacement theology. I don't think most non-Christians understand just how onerous this belief system really is and that a number of liberal churches subscribe to it. In fact, it's the real reason why someone like Desmond Tutu, for instance, is such a smug, self-righteous little Israel-basher, and not because of his sympathy for the poor, suffering (self-inflicted, by the way) Palestinians. To No. 13, John It's not about George Bush greenlighting Israeli policy as you mistakenly claim. Rather it's about the irredentist Palestinians refusing to give up their goal of destroying Israel. And if you don't believe that's their real intention, just look who they elected to run their government...or, better yet, learn to speak Arabic and find out what they're really saying to their followers, and not the bullshit they use when they're trying to impress Western audiences. The Americans, the Europeans, the Israelis, and all the assorted clergy can work for peace until hell freezes over, but the key to peace lies with the Palestinians and, unfortunately, they don't want any part of it.
18. hehehe hahaha
toni ,   sabme   (12.15.06)
no proposals on how to achieve this peace?so what good is this we need ansewrs and quick . not this altogether now bull. and no temporary fixes we need open honest truth. kinda like the ones on these talkbacks. open up and let the talkbacks begin. oh these glorious talkbacks.
19. #15 u must be kidding
1.5 Billion Muslims   (12.15.06)
who is killing Palastain and labanon Christians , as Muslim who is not Arab , if i visit any Arab Country , i will be treated less than the Christain Arab so my friend do not get confuse with Arab and Islam , when Majority of muslims r chiompioning the right of Palastain people , we do not deferatiate the muslim or christian one , we care about all palastan people no matter what religion they Beleive , u should read some of Edward Said books so at least u will have idea what u talking about instead of visiting all Neo Con Web sites . Reality Check, world
20. HYPOCRITES Ignore ISLAMISTS SEEK Second HOLOCAUST of JEWS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.15.06)
Palestinian Authority Muslims voted overwhelmingly for the Hamas platform which calls for the murder of all Jews. Hamas Charter: 'Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' Hizbullah terrorist organization (helped by Iranian intelligence) bombed the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, killing 29 and injuring over 200. Hizbullah next bombed the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, killing 86 and injuring over 200. Hizbullah calls for the worldwide murder of all Jews. Hizbullah's leader, Nasarallah, in Lebanon's Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002: "If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide." In the second Lebanon war, Iran's highly trained guerrilla army Hizbullah, equipped with the most advanced, sophisticated military equipment, fired hundreds of rockets at Israeli population centers every day, many times more than were daily fired at Britain during the Blitz. The rockets packed with thousands of metal ball bearings to maximize the suffering of Jewish victims. The Palestinian Authority teach through their mosques, media, summer camps, and public education system, that murdering Jews is a religious obligation. Human bomb killers of Jewish innocents are revered and considered heroes by PA society. The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the terrorists who brutally murdered defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish Gaza mother, Tali Hatuel, and four little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004. Israel takes great care not to harm civilians. Islamists wage war on civilian populations - thousands of PA Muslims pass out sweets and celebrate in the streets whenever Jewish innocents are murdered by human bomb killers. Effigies of burning buses are features of PA school pageants and summer camps. Schools, streets and sports teams are named after suicide bombers. Adults and children train in terrorist training camps. Terrorists have been captured at Israeli checkpoints posing as ambulance drivers, doctors and patients. Islamists have hidden explosive suicide belts under gurneys carrying sick children and in the clothing of pregnant women. Red Crescent ambulances transport terrorists, weapons and bombs. Broadcast from Gaza mosque, Oct 13 2000, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..." In 2,000, leaflets were distributed in major British cities that included slogans: "The final hour will not come until the Muslims kill the Jews." Surrounded by 22 huge, hostile Arab nations, tiny Israel fights for survival in the cruel world war to bring all nations under subjugation of Muslim masters - a merciless world where human rights and freedom are utterly destroyed. On the frontlines of global jihad, Israel fights for the freedom and human rights of all nations - Israel's enemies are the enemies of the Free World. STOP the U.S. EU UN Global Islamic Terror State in the Jewish ancestral homeland of Biblical Judea and Samaria, reducing tiny Israel at mid-section to 9 miles wide indefensible Auschwitz borders - advancing global jihad's unopposed march to world conquest and Jewish annihilation. STOP Inciting Children to Kill ! http://www.teachkidspeace.com/flash.php Palestinian Authority society are taught murdering Jews is the highest goal in life and attains paradise: http://www.pmw.org.il/AFD.html http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/PalestinianChildAbuse
21. #19
v. n.y. ,   usa   (12.15.06)
and you SHOULD read alan dershowitz's book THE CASE FOR ISRAEL regarding the palestinians so that you can learn and talk like an intelligent person! but i forgot....you guys only read the arabic pali propaganda sections of the arab newspapers. real good source of information.....and real honest, don't you think?
22. #17- NYC Girl. YOU GOT THAT RIGHT !!
RCA ,   USA   (12.15.06)
I could not have said that better.
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