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UN to set up registry for complaints against fence
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 16.12.06, 07:39
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1. When will Arabs compensate the 1 million Jewish refugees?
David ,   Boston, USA   (12.15.06)
Until I start hearing of how the UN and Arab world intend to acknowledge and compensate the almost 1 million Jewish refugees from Arab lands, any claims the 600,000 Arab refugees, not millions, have no right, no say, no claims. As for Arab claims for problems with the security fence. They must be taken up with the Israel high court. No other court has jurisdiction on Israel soil, which Judea and Samara are.
2. and still no logical answer as to why we are members
Arie ,   Afula   (12.15.06)
3. an analogy
Arie ,   Afula   (12.15.06)
membership in the UN is no different than membership in the nazi party
4. ANOTHER UN FARCE! WHAT BIGOTS AND ANTI-SEMITES!
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5. Israelis should sign....
DR ,   Florida, USA   (12.15.06)
a registry for the damages caused by: palestinian suicide bombers, rockets, shootings, rock throwing etc. etc. etc....
6. I feel optimistic
Mike ,   Atlanta, USA   (12.15.06)
If the UN sees the fence as a violation of international law BECAUSE Palestinians need proper compensation for damaged property, then paying compensation to particular parties who can justify their claims should increase the legitimacy and legality of the fence in the long run. I hope our political leaders, in the US and Israel, can work to make the security fence an inviolable part of international law.
7. And a Registry For Complaints Against Qassams?
emanon ,   USA   (12.15.06)
No, I think not. That would be too even handed and offend the Arab factions. That would be against the UA, excuse me, I meant to say, the UN, not United Arab, agenda.
8. America, let us close that vile organization down.
Roger ,   USA   (12.15.06)
The UN is vile!
9. How about a registry for costs of dealing with terrorism?
Zvi ,   USA   (12.15.06)
10. I wonder when...
nathan ,   hoboken, nj   (12.15.06)
...the UN will work its way back from not mattering at all?
11. to all skeptics
v. n.y. ,   usa   (12.15.06)
i would rather have a fence protecting my family and lives of my children against the palis barbarism than worry about the "injustice" done to them by building that fence. if any of the un nations backing this complaint by the palis lived in israel for one year, they'd build a higher fence than the israelis are building. it's easy to sit in relative peace and calm and judge a nation on the brink of war and tgerror 24/7. europe has no right to dictate the national security of another nation. the fence is for a purpose because nothing else worked! since it was built, the number of terror attacks and infiltrations have been reduced in record numbers. we'll do as we please, when we please and how we please because we know and are sure that non of these nations will come to our aid should the need arise. as the jewish saying goes....if i am not for myself, who is for me? certainly not the un or europe. period!
12. #1 easily, through refugee exchange, same as for prisoners !
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13. Fence Saves Jewish Life
Semsem ,   New York, USA   (12.15.06)
The Fence has saved many Jewish lives which makes the Arab / Islamic and Eurabian world very upset.
14. While they're at it...
Ironcandle ,   Atlanta, GA   (12.15.06)
...maybe they can set up a registry for Mexicans to complain about our border too. We are kicking around the idea of a fence too. Any advice you Israelis may have would be appreciated.
15. U N complaints department
Jim ,   Jerusalem   (12.15.06)
Let me be the first to register a complaint I see the fence from my window every day a fence that was built in order to prevent murderous fanatic thugs from slaughtering innocent men women children and babies in restaurants coffee shops shoping malls market places and buses... HELLO.. anyone in the U N listening? or are you all just happen to be on a tea break
16. THEY SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED
Arik Silverman ,   Milwaukee USA   (12.16.06)
Every attempt of the Palestinians to use peaceful means should be encouraged. They have to see that peaceful means can get them a hearing. It is extremely short-sighted to block them from using the justice system. That leaves them no alternative except surrender or violence. Surely it is to Israel's long term advantage to have Palestinians believing they can get a hearing and justice without violence. It is a grave mistake for Europeans and/or the US to block these peaceful efforts. It's hard to understand exactly what they hope to achieve for themselves, but eventually they'll walk away and leave Israel with the mess. If they can't be constructive, they should mind their own business.
17. set up registry for complaints in the U.N.
jerome ,   Bsalt, Colorado   (12.16.06)
against suicide, homicide, ignorance, teaching children lies and hate and then they can complain about the fence!
18. walls
wheeling ,   IL   (12.16.06)
those kissers from UN must be thrown out of land of Israel as one sided antisemitic and anti-Israel pointless group of talkers doing nothing to help Israel
19. GREAT GOING UN
American ,   USA   (12.16.06)
Israelis have been getting away with so many human rights abuses- Read jimmy Carters book- it is awful- USA must withhold support from Israel- until the zionists are held accountable for their crimes. GOD SPEED.
20. Also a registry for Israelis murdered by Pals is needed
Alan ,   SA   (12.16.06)
21. set up registry for complaints against jihad
Casiopea   (12.16.06)
UN should set up registry for complaints against pal terrorism, qassam launching and kidnapped soldiers.
22. What about this other fence?
enzo ,   london,uk   (12.16.06)
Saudi Arabia has erected a fence along the border with Yemen! I haven't heard of any complaint from the UN!!!
23. What about the Egyptian fence?
Jay ,   Israel   (12.16.06)
Are the morons at the UN going to investigate the fence that the Egyptians built on their border which the media conveniently hides from the public, Surely this fence warrants complaints and causes hardship for the Palestinians too.? What a pack of inept hypocrites.
24. this... is.... not... news...
jason ,   usa   (12.16.06)
its.. the ..... SAME .. EVERY........DAY
25. will the u.n. receive complaints
Dan ,   T.A.   (12.16.06)
also from Israelis for - suiside bombers, qassam rockets etc., just asking?
26. #19..
jason   (12.16.06)
WRONG http://www.zoa.org/2006/11/zoa_condemns_ji.htm anyway another thing is that if the UN is doing a "good job" then why have 500,000 people already died in darfur already?
27. Israel's Security Barrier is not Unique
Casiopea   (12.16.06)
In August 2004, the EU put out tenders for companies to construct a European separation fence to prevent migration into the EU from countries excluded from it. India has built a barrier along its line-of-control with Pakistan. The Saudi Arabian government unilaterally began constructing a barrier on land disputed by Yemen. Morocco has built a barrier against Algerian infiltration in the disputed territory of Western Sahara. Great Britain has a fence in the middle of Belfast separating Catholics and Protestants. In Cyprus, it is the U.N. itself that, at significant hardship to the local populace, sponsored a security fence reinforcing the island's de facto partition. In 1939, Turkey annexed Hatay, a province claimed by Syria. Throughout the 1980s and most of the 1990s, Syria supported the Kurdistan Workers Party. The Turkish government responded by constructed a high fence along the border and laying over 500 miles of minefields. Morocco built a wall inside the Western Sahara, which Morocco is occupying.
28. i want to complain that the fence has not been completed
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (12.16.06)
29. Legal illegality; final Israeli war to change occupied into
observer   (12.15.06)
The International Court of Justice rendered its advisory opinion regarding "the wall" in the Hague, 9 July 2004; The Court finds that the construction by Israel of a wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and its associated régime are contrary to international law; it states the legal consequences arising from that illegality. As regards the legal consequences for other States, the Court finds that all States are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction. In conclusion, the Court considers that Israel cannot rely on a right of self﷓defence or on a state of necessity in order to preclude the wrongfulness of the construction of the wall. The Court accordingly finds that the construction of the wall and its associated régime are contrary to international law. http://www.icj-cij.org/icjwww/ipresscom/ipress2004/ipresscom2004-28_mwp_20040709.htm Gillerman noted that the security fence was constructed to prevent terror attacks. The answer to this was stated clearly by the International Court as you can read in the last paragraph. could he have found another non-refuted excuse?, a law is a law.
30. 29 - walls, terror, legality and context
NL ,   Israel   (12.16.06)
1. The answer to Gillerman's claim of terror attacks is not addressed in the advisory opinion since, although it claims that 'the wall must be placed in a more general context', it addresses the context of terror ZERO times in the entire document. Needless to say, it doesn't address the fact 90% of terror attacks have been prevented since it has been built. Despite this fact (which perhaps was overlooked/ignored), the committee somehow remain unconvinced of its necessity to security needs. 2. When asking for 'context', it also forgets the context of the wall, which is in fact a FENCE for over 90% of its length. It forgets the context of the existing option to appeal to Israel's High Court to change the route of the fence. It forgets a context in which changes to the fence have been made accordingly, at the cost of millions of dollars and even at an increased security risk for Israelis. This is actually very important because the 'wrongfulness' of the wall in the 2004 decision is largely based on the ROUTE which, as aforementioned can and has been changed to the benefit of the Palestinians. THUS, the opinion of the committee, although it calls for context, largely ignores context. 3. Regarding legality/illegality: The int'l court gives an advisory OPINION, not a command. They have no actual jurisdiction. Additionally, even laws that are in practice 'set in stone' (US constitution for exampe) can be amended when they are found to be wrong, unsubstantiated or unfair, which the int'l court's decision most definitely can be argued to be, given the facts above.
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