Opinion  Sever Plocker
Stalin's Jews
Sever Plocker
Published: 21.12.06, 23:35
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91. don't get too excited, it's a 'soapbox'
ygalg   (12.23.06)
92. Stalin's Jews
(12.23.06)
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
93. Marx and Lenin were Jews too...
Darren ,   Tampa, FL USA   (12.23.06)
There were a lot of Jews involved in the Bolsevik Revolution. It is a fact.
94. to 88 WORLD CITIZEN
megi ,   london   (12.23.06)
well i do not think we have a sad history. we are very proud of who we are. and we believe we have a journy to follow. so what if there where some bolshevik jews?! it doesnt change a thing! and thats not why people hate jews. its envy
95. Stalin's Jews
Ellen Greenburg ,   Bayside,NY   (12.23.06)
The truth can hurt, denying it can will be worse.
96. #82, it is 'sound bite' truth and not a real truth.
AK   (12.23.06)
After all there are reasons why so many Jews have joined Communists; why they had no problems serving as 'Court Jews,’ so to speak to the Russian, or Georgian, in case of Stalin, masters. Also, there is a good reason, why Jews did not have too much sympathy towards Ukrainians. Do you know where the word 'pogrom’ comes from? If you don’t know then read Jewish history in the Ukraine and Russia. Start with Chmielnicki uprising and go on till WW2, or even now - it is a very tragic chapter in Jewish history. Half-truths don't heal. BTW, Stalin had his Poles, Hungarians, Spaniards, French and Americans, not to mention Britons -- each fulfilling his assigned function.
97. to world citizen
megi ,   london   (12.23.06)
i think what upsets you neo nazis is the fact that stalin fought hitler and won, and the jews are still around. god keeps his promises you know. and there are many promises to come....
98. Great article
a. richards ,   usa   (12.23.06)
I have researched this myself over the years and have been called an anti-Semite even by my gentile friends for revealing such information.
99. Bolsheviks
Amazed ,   Anywhere, USA   (12.23.06)
It's the "good cop" "bad cop" game right? People are waking up to the game. The truth always finds a way to the light.
100. Finally....
Bill ,   Boston,USA   (12.23.06)
IMO Mr Plocker is doing what more Jewish journalists should be doing,exposing Jewish guilt and duplicity in heinous crimes instead of making excuses,tarnishing and handing out "antisemite" labels to those with legitimate grievances.The holocaust,disproportionate Jewish involvement in the African slave trade to the Americas,.. these and other topics require transparent and open dialogue if good relations are to exist but I only hope it' doesn't become a case of too little too late.Jewish global relations are souring more everyday and that isn't good for anybody.
101. Stalin's Jews
Andrei ,   USA   (12.23.06)
As a person of Russian extraction, I applaud Mr. Ploker's courage is saying out loud what most Russians and Russian Jews already know. Furthermore, we, Russians, have plenty of Jewish blood on our hands also, but we often feel that only murders committed by us are remembered. What our two nations need is finally a deeply heart-felt RECONCILIATION and mutal apology for the horrors of the past. Russians and Jews have been murderers and Russian and Jews have been victims. It is our duty to denouce the crimes of OUR people, and forgive the crimes committed against us. Only the complete historical truth will make that possible. Sever Plocker article is a step in the right direction. I would just have prefered that he did not write about Stalin's Jews as there were even more Bolshevik Jews under Lenin, and because Stalin's terror was not, countrary to the often held opinion, qualitativey worse then the Leninist terror. Respectfully, Andrei
102. are youa repubican or a democrat?
Tim ,   Tampa Florida   (12.23.06)
Russian is a nationality, not necessarily a race. Your ignorance is so American. Do you watch football? Would you me to post "The Jews Under Stalin? Did you know most of them came from New York City? Do you know who financed the Russian revolution of 1917? Do you know who financed the Japanese in 1905? Do you know why a Nationalist Party came to power in 1933? Did you know those terrible Nazi's invented the Jet Engine, the rocketa and modern medicine? Do you think it occurred to them, Jews overwelmingly staffed the ranks of the Comunist terrorists to the East of them and were murdering millions?. Go back to your potato chips and football game, stupid American!.
103. This is all WELL known facts
Andrei ,   Moscow, Russia   (12.23.06)
As I was growing up in Russia I was learning in school a lot of names of the 1917 Revolution heros. It never occurred to any of us that they were jewish. But now as I look back I realise that Jews did play the central role in the Revolution and everything that followed after that. Many Jews are still in control of Russia, though. I wish they just left my people alone and moved to Israel.
104. Ynet judgment
Laura ,   USA   (12.23.06)
Again, Ynet prints a completely distorted historical viewpoint! The Jews were the first and longest persecuted group in Czarist Russia and ,then, in the Soviet Union. What is the point of this article? How rotten the Jewish people are- in reality? There is no group in history that has been persecuted over millenia. How are we, readers, supposed to trust your judgment, your accuracy, your authenticity, your sources ,or your analyses with all of this revisionist type of history approached with such a masochistic hate and repugnance? What is the point? Shame on you! Feeding this garbage to our enemies. Children, especially, Jewish children read your self-hating , self-destructive fabrications and so-called historical accounts written out of context. What, exactly, are you creating? We shall not forget this. God-willing our children won't be forced to suffer, or die, because of this type of immolation.
105. Stalin's WIlling Executioners
Jacob Schwartz ,   Bronx, NY   (12.23.06)
http://www.vdare.com/misc/051105_macdonald_stalin.htm
106. History must not repeat it self
Media Critic ,   USA   (12.23.06)
Change is inevitable, 2007 is a year with a major paradigm and public opinion shifts.
107. Learn your own history
Tim ,   Tampa Florida   (12.23.06)
Read Separation and It's Discontents A People Who Shall Dwell Alone The Culture of Critique You don't know the history of your own poeple. You've done your share of persecuting and when host societies respond, you call it hate. The days of lies and propaganda are over. When your a guest and a tiny minority in OTHER PEOPLE'S SOCITIES,, act like one or leave
108. Stalin's henchmen
Janet ,   Medford, OR   (12.23.06)
"Those who hate, hate the truth".
109. Thank You
Tim ,   Tampa Florida   (12.23.06)
Thank you for your honesty. There's plenty of good Jews out there and it's a pleasure to hear them speak out.
110. Duh!
Joe ,   USA   (12.23.06)
No shit, Sherlock.
111. Stalin's Jews
Gary Amirault ,   Hermann USA   (12.23.06)
Thanky you. It's time for honesty to come forth. The truth is always better than lies and coverups.
112. #92, 93-- Israel has nothing to explain about Stalin's Jews
AK   (12.23.06)
They were not Israelis. I don't see anybody demanding that Georgia explain and apologize for producing Stalin and Beria and numerous other Georgian Stalinists; Similarly, no Russian is asked to apologize about Lenin, and Russian Leninists and Stalinists, or Ukrainians about Khrushchev and other Ukrainians in the Polibureau, security apparatus, police or serving as guards at Gulag camps. Let’s face it; there were not enough Jews in the whole of the Evil Empire to the job to do it alone. There were many willing participants. #93, Lenin was not a Jews and Marx’s father already converted to Christianity, making Marx a failed Christian. I don't know what the author's aim was, but the posts here clearly show the result of his flawed article. Yes, there were some Jews in a position of power who did terrible things, but they never wielded a controlling power and they were few in numbers. Where they monsters -- yes; should history remember them as such? Yes. But they have nothing to do with Zionists, Israel, religious Jews or most of secular Jews, not even most Communist Jews. But they make a good excuse to tar THE JEWS as murderers and conveniently mark for some 'paid in full' as far as Holocausts past and future are concerned. What is important to remember that like the members of ANSWER or PEACE NOW today, those Stalin’s Jews never considered themselves as Jews and were a part of a huge murderous totalitarian apparatus that had far too many willing participants of every nationality, true believers all.
113. Try to understand!
Stefan ,   Tel Aviv   (12.23.06)
I totally agree with #112. It is truly worrisome that so few understood the article. Sever Plocker wrote about accepting the fact that there has also been bad Jews over the centuries, because we tend to remember only our Nobel prize winners, people of arts, science, law, journalism, statesmanship etc. By the way, the latter are the overwhelming majority. Jews never did anything as a nation contrary to most other peoples that committed atrocities against Jews as nations. Even in the Stalinist purges, where Jews were involved, Jews were also among the most prominent targets. The responses again confirm the sad fact that when one Jew does something, all Jews will be blamed. Sever Plocker is by no means a rare case of Jews criticizing Jews. As a matter of fact, there is no other nation than Jews that are able to similar self-examination. It is, therefore, sad tat the same people congratulating him now, will not do so when he writes for example about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He is every bit as serious journalist in that area too.
114. #112 - AK
Darren ,   Tampa, FL USA   (12.23.06)
Dear AK, Lenin was a Jew by the standards of Israel's Law of Return: he possessed a Jewish grandparent. Lenin himself was of mostly Russian and Kalmuck ancestry, but he was also one-quarter Jewish. His maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church. As to Karl Marx, Marx was a Jew genetically even though he was raised a Lutheran. Karl Marx was born into a Jewish family in Trier, in the Rhineland region of Germany. His father Heinrich, who had descended from a long line of rabbis, converted to Christianity, despite his many deistic tendencies and his admiration of such Enlightenment figures as Voltaire and Rousseau. Marx's father was actually born Herschel Mordechai, but when the Prussian authorities would not allow him to continue practicing law as a Jew, he joined the official denomination of the Prussian state, Lutheranism, which accorded him advantages, as one of a small minority of Lutherans in a predominantly Roman Catholic region. And another Jew involved with the Bolshevik Revolution was Leon Trotsky was a Jew. His real name was Bronstein. These atheistic Jews did not act alone. They had plenty of help from willing gentiles. With all that said, God Bless Israel and God Bless the United States. Also dump Olmert and Peretz and bring in Bibi Netanyahu or someone like him.
115. Stalin's Jews
Mike Eggert ,   Bremerton, WA USA   (12.23.06)
Your article is right on. You will reveive a lot of static about this article but it is not only , it is too soft on the Jewishness of Communism. As Lenin said. "It doesn't matter a jot if three-fourths of mankind perish! The only thing that matters is that, in the end, the remaining fourth should be Communist." On the lintel of the Knesset in Israel is the inscription (in Hebrew) "Remember to show no mercy to non-Jews. If a non-Jew falls in a ditch, find a large rock and cover him up." (This a paraphrase, I don't remember the eaxact words, but it is essentially accurate.) Regards and keep up the fight for truth. Mike Eggert
116. The Soviet Holocaust
Michael ,   Oxford U.K.   (12.23.06)
I must say I'm surprised to see this article in a Jewish news media although it' obviously watered down to suit a Jewish audience. The Jewish participation in the Bolshevik/Communist revolutions was immense not only in the Soviet Union but in all other countries that were later controlled by Communism. It resulted in the deaths of at least 20 million Christians plus another 9 million in the Ukraine and it has for the most part been ignored by Jewish historians.
117. Stalin's Jews
charles ,   petach tikva   (12.23.06)
Why were Jews so supportive of the bolshevik revolution ? Because they suffered so much unther the czars , endured pogrom after pogrom , were not allowed to settle in russia exept of the Pale of settlement , and so on . The russians by themselve where mostly illiterated . Jews not . Jews had always a sensivity who advocated social justice and this was also a bolshevik ideal . What has come out of this ideal is of course not so nice . Dictatorship by a paranoic stalin , who saw enemys all around him , and this led to the mass murders . Those stalin jews not acted as Jews , but as bolsheviks . To AK : Peace now members consider themselve as Jews , Israelis . They think they have a good solution for our problems , that their solutions will bring peace .
118. excellent,hannah arendt was so right
fidelio   (12.23.06)
when she wrote about the "banalization of the evil".Jews with a fanatic ideology today make likewise things today. Mr.Polker, why so long was you silent?
119. like anyone else
marcello ,   milano italy   (12.23.06)
the belonging to a certain ethnic group is not determined by the same "blood" but rather by the same anthropological culture , otherwise will follow a blunt discrimination in both sense (positive and negative) . Who keeps the record of all the blood mixing occurred in the history of all peoples , especially of migrant people ? nobody , once it was technically impossible ,now if it is possible with genetics means , it will be only a useless curiousity . So finding out that Yagoda had jewish blood , what does it mean ? Also Rosemberg , Aichman, Goebbles and others had jewish blood , then ? Investigating in that direction could be only a morbidity curiosity , and an easy way to get pubblicity .
120. Eventually, the road for peace
Alexandre ,   Italy   (12.23.06)
To accept not to be always the best is peraphs the only way to make others stopping hating you. Hubris calls for thisis, and to avoid the second, the first has also to come to an end. And you did just that. Painful, I guess, but necessary and tremendously courageous. Thank you.
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