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Israeli fetishists: We're not perverts
Roee Mandel
Published: 25.12.06, 00:50
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1. Goin too far
Kareem ,   Egypt   (12.25.06)
I don't know whether to laugh or get mad...lol It's funny how you Israelis are facing war from the outside..and on the inside u got Gay parades (which i must say caused the haredis a lot of trouble)..and now ur gonna have an Orgy...well, next u wonder why ur losing ur wars haha.. Sumone would ask why I would be mad..well..Israel does not belong in the Middle East..not with these Values..the Middle East is an Islamic region of the world...not a place for Gay parades or Orgies..we have values u need to be learnin about..now I dunno whether or not ur Torah says sumthin about that..but ur either not following ur book..or ur just simply beign urselves..blatantly immoral
2. does it mean "fetah cheese" ? (end)
Dontnow   (12.25.06)
3. disgusting (end)
jj ,   montreal canada   (12.25.06)
4. Liberated?
marya ,   sacramento, USA   (12.25.06)
"We have doctors and lawyers in our community," she stated. " ZZZzzz. So what? Does that make you something special - better than a plumber or school teacher who's a freaking deviate? Your narcissism is astounding. No-one cares about your sexual practices. That's your problem - you think everyone cares about or needs to know about your unhealthy hunger for attention. Go whip yourself - you bore me.
5. Lunacy
me ,   here   (12.25.06)
Is there no end to lunacy? "even the most ordinary couples use handcuffs." Benny Sela included I suppose.
6. PURE FILTH,NOTHING BUT FILTH
YOU ARE PERVERTS ,   NOTHING ELSE BUT !!!   (12.25.06)
7. Different strokes for different folks !
Dr. Rick ,   USA   (12.25.06)
Responsible consenting adults can have more fulfilling relationships when the barriers come down between them enabling them to express some of their deeper emotions, share their fantasies and express their fetish. Fetish in the past has been mostly steeped in ignorance and is actually a key player in most , if not all peoples libidinal influences, whether this is acknowledged or not. EVERYONE TO SOME DEGREE HAS A FETISH which helps to trigger and to stimulate attraction that leads to the creation of our societies. ...Repression of healthy desires and attractions has never served society for the good... Healthy, for the most part turns out to be an individual matter because EVERYONE OF US IS DIFFERENT. When a majority have a particular fetish so goes the society. Focusing on a womens breasts is a common male fetish in the West and elsewhere. Another common fetish is a womans shapely bottom. In the Orient, and widespread elsewhere, the long toes and beautiful curves of a womens foot are a major focus and wonderful aspect of feminine beauty. Beautiful legs are also truely something to behold. Many of these preferences are culturaly learned, established and accepted. Some are simply innate. They are all fetishes. They are all a part of Hashems varied and wonderful creation. It is only the combination of humankind and ignorance that can pervert the good that G-d has given usto enjoy amongst ourselves.
8. LIVE AND LET LIVE !
RCA ,   USA   (12.25.06)
Whether talking religion or sex, no one practice is appropriate to all individuals. This, no matter how you try. It's almost a UNIVERSAL LAW that no one size fits all. This is the way it should be. If it were not this way, life would be a very dreary experience. Fetishes abound. We all have them. We might not always feel most comfortable expressing them in certain quarters, or making them public, but, never the less all people are consistently attracted by certain things they find sexually beautiful in other human beings. LETS FACE IT ! SPECIFIC BODY PARTS AFFECT US AND CAUSE US TO REACT BIOLOGICALLY ! Many of our sexual responses are hardwired within the nervous system. Society needs to catch up with current sexological and biological knowledge and cease the destructive punitive judgements upon what is appropriate stimulai, and the unique preferences and attractions that many good adults hold. This is not to say that some activities are not destructive and have no socially redeeming values. Rather, a closer look, re-evaluation , and acceptance of our most benign fetishes and practices is in order.
9. Diskins unusual look with his hand covering his face below
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (12.25.06)
the talkback key......says it all about this article.
10. Israelis in Leather?? Give me a break.
George Best ,   Atlanta   (12.25.06)
Israelis in Leather?? Give me a break.
11. TAKE DOWN THE PORN!
(12.25.06)
12. Why not legalize incest or animal sx or other things?
(12.25.06)
Why only gay and s*m are allowed/?!?!? Incest, animal lovers should be allowed to express their pleasures tooo!!!!!!!!!!!
13. oy vey
mar ,   nyc   (12.25.06)
we should've given up tel aviv instead of gush katif
14. DEMONISM
DR Wills ,   Ohio, USA   (12.25.06)
Not perverts? Worse. Demonized.
15. SICK! Even for Tel Aviv
Miriam ,   ISRAEL   (12.25.06)
16. i aint religious or anything but
gabriel ,   mtl   (12.25.06)
If you do believe in a god, and if the torah is true... then the land will devour tel aviv... wheres the supposive sanctity. There shoud be laws
17. Ok, so you like different things
Esther ,   Ofarim, Israel   (12.25.06)
but don't shove them down my throat. What happens between CONSENTING ADULTS behind their closed bedroom doors is their business. Not mine. Keep your private matters/hobbies/inclinations private. Why does the world need to know??
18. #1 Kareem
Esther ,   Ofarim, Israel   (12.25.06)
Kareem, why don't you clean up your own country first before you decide who belongs in the middle east and who doesn't? In your lovely country the charming practice of female circumcision or female genital mutilation is quite prevalent, isn't it? I don't believe that this is a requirement of your peace-loving religion or is it written somewhere in your holy book that females need to be crippled so they don't have any enjoyment of the most natural act in the world between a woman and her husband? Before you judge another country/culture and decide where they belong or don't belong, make sure your country is sane. Other than that, keep your hate-filled mouth shut and keep out of our news sites, our business. Oh, yes, that's right, in Israel you can express your opinion, in your country you can't.
19. Grow up - Sex is Kosher!
Joseph ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.25.06)
Playing fantasy in the bedroom such as bondage and wearing sexy clothing is totally healthy and 100% kosher (as long as it's consensual and nobody is injured, and the partners aren't prohibited by Torah like incest, bestiality, adultery, or homosexuality, and the clothing isn't made from shat'nez, of course :-).
20. TO KINK ...OR NOT TO KINK !
Dr. Rick ,   USA   (12.25.06)
WITHIN LIMITS, everyone has G-d given rights to sexual satisfaction. As long as it is healthy, non-destructive, and private, then who cares what consenting responsible adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms? Different people are TURNED ON by different things. We should accept this fact. THIS IS NOT NEW. This is the way it has always been, and will continue to be, whether we like it or not. Granted, there are some strange and wacky practices out there, and I am not advocating any of them that cause harm, or that are morally repulsive, or actually are perverted... I seem to get the impression, based on these early talkbacks that many are very uncomfortable, even at the mention of these things. It's better that these subjects get the benefit of fresh air and sunshine in order to dispell the wildest notions and ignorance, so that common sense and human experience may play a proper role in classifying many of these common behaviors, based on knowledge and research. Human sexuality covers a wide spectrum of behaviors, many of which are preferences, harmless and just plain fun to those involved. Some like to be considered KINKY. Some like to be considered more NORMAL. So long as there is CARE, LOVE and RESPECT, who are we to be the flies in the fruit salad ? In the long run, those who consider themselves quite normal may find that they themselves are realy very kinky, and those considering themselves kinky, are realy very normal.
21. YNET should feature stories on Jewish/religous/moral Pride
Judith ,   NY   (12.25.06)
World admires israel most when it cultivates its unique character as proud G-d fearing, charitable religous people...secular or Haredi. Israel's strength is this singularity & not in trying to be like everyone else...there is no nobility in fetishism...YNET should be shamed for promoting this tyring-too-hard-to-be-hip & promiscuous image of Israel to the exclusion of Israel's Torah loving persona.
22. #1 is right, Our rights here are conditional on our behavior
David ,   Israel   (12.25.06)
Israel is a country that was given to the jews as a gift. And attached to that gift G-d said: If you use it properly and do the right things then it will all be great, you'll prosper and it will all be good. On the other hand, if you dont, then bad things will happen and you'll get spit out of the country. Clearly even non-Jews see this, and sadly this country is going down a very tragic path. Our only hope is for the majority in Israel (70% of whom are traditonal) to speak out against such appalling events. The time has come for us to take our country back.
23. Okay in bedroom, but not taking place in bedroom
(12.25.06)
The many talkbackers saying 'it's okay between adults in private' seem to be forgetting that it's taking place in the CONVENTION CENTER. Sex is a private matter. There's no need to have a party about it.
24. #12- You're sounding a little rediculous now !
RCA ,   USA   (12.25.06)
25. How revealing of human behaviour
Marcel Abel ,   France   (12.25.06)
Which pleasure can result from the suffering made in others. Is it bearable to treat others - " the slaves " - as sexual objects. A true and worthy sexuality does not imprison, it liberates. Any sexuality which hurts and steals dignity from others is a genuine depravation. The wrong sexual freedom, when unmasked, shows what it is really, a try to annihilate the respectability of others, becoming so an individual and social pathology. O my Lord, even that they try to corrupt it.
26. Esther and others
bru ,   IL   (12.25.06)
They hold it behind closed doors , you have not to go there . Do you know what happens behind doors of what you call 'normal' people . What you do to enjoy sex , with adult who accept it in free will , is not important , to enjoy , that's it . If people want to wear leather clothes and chains , let them do . If they feel liberated from their daily stress , let them enjoy . Or is it beter to hold back all your impulses ? This is not a perversion , it's a way of life . You find it in ALL the western countries
27. #1 kareem I agree witu except abt
Foot Fungus ,   Not 4 me!!   (12.25.06)
the Islamic region...I dont think the arab moderates wud agree with u on that...still u are right..we look like a nation of perverts, and sickos, we are being attacked fm both sides and in the middle the bored are seeking attention by holding Gay Parades and Fetish forums..who cares..why print this crap..useless information that belongs in sick magazines... I undestand freedom of speech but this is more an insult to ones intelligents - Let all the perverts and deviants do their thing..i and many others really DONT want to know about it.
28. to Kareem 1
Moshe ,   Israel   (12.25.06)
As a religious Jew I am furious with this outrage and this is not the way of the Torah ! I completely agree with your words and it appears that certain elements within Israeli society are in danger!!!!
29. 26# "closed doors" More than 10 people is already public
gabriela ben ari ,   jerusalem   (12.25.06)
30. (1) Kareem - You are 100% right
Miriam Hochberg ,   Jerusalem   (12.25.06)
Sometimes it takes a little reminder by our neighbors to refresh our memory how to behave like Jews.
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