1. then why
if they prefer to live under Islamic sharia law than under British law, then why are they living in England?
There is Islamic sharia law in Iran, Iraq, etc. Plenty countries to choose from.
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2. Islam - Perceiving Ascendency
Moslems, who for so long have sensed that their dice have not rolled to winning numbers, are now sensing an opportunity to assert themselves and their religion.
It is inherent in Islamic thought to spread to all of mankind, by peaceful means or force, the word of their prophet, and the lifestyle of the Koran.
Extremists among them have no conscience in trampling civil rights and religious freedoms of non-Moslems as these ideas (religious rights of others) are not well-developed in their basic philosophies.
Therein lies the danger to all non-Moslems in the world who must recognize that the fundamental respect that both Judaism and Christianity have evolved regarding and have applied in practice to followers of other religions is, by and large, absent in Moslem societies.
That it is the weakness of Islam.
| Reuven Brauner , |
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3. Looks like the same crap that comes from DC BS tanks
Who runs and finances those so-called "Think Tanks", anyway?
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4. Send them back to Pakistan before it's too late
Or wherever they came from.
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5. Lymies, truning your back on Israel makes you next in line.
| Jeremiah , |
Israel, Jewish Land |
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6. Either / Or Situation
Either start removing them from Britain OR become an Islamic Republic. Coexistence just isn't possible with brainwashed ideologues. If I sound Islamophobic, it's because I am. I don't like totalitarian ideologies.
| Terry , |
Eilat, Israel |
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7. This is NO "Religion of Peace"
Islam means "surrender" or "submission". For the politically correct, this means a spiritual surrender to the Will of Allah. HOWEVER, in today's reality, it means the surrender or submission of formerly Christian Europe to a medieval, militant mutation of Islam. Blair and all the other Euro leaders are fatally mistaken if they think that the nicer and more accomodating they are, the more tolerant and assimilated the Moslems will become. We see the proof every day that they are becoming increasingly fanatical, sure that they are conquering the infidel West. Europe must fast decide what is more vital, being politically correct, or rescuing itself from a cultural and spiritual submission to a retrograde Caliphate where only heterosexual Moslem men will have any rights at all. These maniacs will not be tolerant of anyone else as soon as they have enough numbers and power.
| Roscio , |
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8. Is the Union Jack a Muslim flag?
Before 7/7 these people were British citizens and now they are seen as potential terorists due to the fact that British Muslims engaged in terrorist acts with a religious underpiniing.
What do they expect?
Sharia law is not suited to a modern liberal society (something liberal suporters of Islam fail to understand).
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9. Self-destructive self blame
In the political and public discourse between Moslem citizens and Western society , the dogma that there is always Western-liberal society and its institutions to blame is completely internalized by Western media and politicians. . Moslems bomb the Tube - Western society to blame for causing "grievances". Government tries to focus on extremists - causes even more grievances. Tries to promote democratic education - "don't lecture us". Western society needs to stop the self-destructive blame game and clearly state :We cherish the liberal values radical Moslems so despise, and we will defend them by any means necessary - lecture, law, and force. We don't care about any possible grievances of somebody who kills innocent people. What needs to be treated is not the cause of the grievance but the psyche of a culture in which it is regarded as perfectly understandable that a bloodbath is a natural response to a grievance. The majority needs to stop assimilating to the minority. Otherwise, it will itself turn into the minority and belive me - there will be nobody out there to take care of any "liberal grievance"
| Ehud , |
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10. They should live under Islamic sharia law
in a Muslim country, not in Europe.
No one is stopping them from jumping on the next plane to a Sharia country. Please go.
| Judith in Haifa |
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11. Sharia law can Co-exist. India has one since 1973
It is called "Muslim Personal Law" and it has been in India since 1973.
Check http://www.aimplboard.org/
or http://www.law.emory.edu/IFL/legal/india.htm
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12. #2 Reuven
I have to respectfully disagree on a number of points.
You mention that xtianity has learned tolerance. That can only be proved if we have a functioning xtian theocracy to see how tolearnt it is.
History shows that when xtians have absolute political power they are very intolerant to "non-believers" (to say the least). There is no nation to the best of my knowledge that came under xtian rule for any significant lenght of time that retained their native religion. South america is a good case in point of how people were xtianised or killed.
Sfarad/Andalusia is another case in point which was "religiously" cleansed of jews and muslims after xtian ascendancy. While in contrast under muslim domination for over (600years) Andalusia/Sfarad was "tolerant" given that xtians, jews and muslims lived together and non-muslims were quite prosperous. The non-muslims were not enslaved or viewed as sub-human as the south american indians were treated by the xtians (even after the natives became "believers"!!).
Also, you have Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece, Armenia, all of which are xtian countries that came under muslim domination for centuries. These countries are still xtian today.
Clearly muslims, unlike their xtian colleagues, were more tolerant . If muslims had insisted on "conversion or death" as is commonly claimed, how is it that whole nations survived with their xtian heritage intact, after centuries of muslim domination? Show me a place that fell under xtian rule where the natives retained their own heritage after the occupation ended!!
Xtians didn't even treat converts as fully-human in some cases? What kind of "tolerance" is that.
Finally. the Jewish religion is inherently "tolerant" to other religions b'cos it does not claim to have a message for all of humanity and does not seek converts. It is the religion of a people, a family. But that said, if there were to be a Jewish theocracy in israel/palistine then expect that all known places of worship considered to be polytheistic or not strictly monotheistic (churches included) would have to be destroyed. Public shabbat observance will have to be enforced, and so on. All this is required by torah law. Non-jews would have special protection so long as they do not follow beliefs that are considered polytheistic or not strictly monotheistic (which includes xtianity). So non-jews would be expected to convert to a lite form of judaism or leave the country. (Perhaps islam might be tolerated??) Not even a "dhimmi" option.
Bottom line no religion is truly tolerant of other religions, especially when one contradicts the principles of the other. However, historically of the two religions that manged to spread their political control over other nations, the most "tolerant" clearly was the muslim religion. Will a future muslim religion be tolerant after this past century, I don't know.
Perhaps like the early muslim conquerors of europe who assimilated hellinistic values and philosophy, the new muslim conquerors (if this is the case) will also assimilate the positive values of secular western society. That is not throw away the baby with the bath water. That depends a lot on future western converts. Ultimately the cultural background of a muslim impacts significantly their expression of islam. I suspect that if there are many western converts, that islam in the west will be very tolerant and will eventually dominate "eastern" islam.
And if there are no significant numbers of western converts, islam will fail to "conquer" the west. so it is a win-win situation for "western values".
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13. so what's the problem? send them to ARABIA
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14. It's all over...
I've heard with my years 10-11 yrs old pupils coming out of school chanting "Muslim power, muslim power!" The battle here has been lost! No ifs or buts. It's been lost...!
| enzo , |
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15. the researchers ignore their own findings !
Sadly, the researchers of this report identify the problem but prefer to deny the religious implications which are 100% unmistakable when reading their report.
Kind of strange looking at Europe from here (Israel) - Europe won't grasp the nettle but instead focuses on the Middle East rather than the writing which is on its own wall.
The rich and otherwise able are now leaving Paris in droves which is understandable but in effect the city is simply being abandoned ....
| redmike , |
tel aviv - Israel |
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16. To all moslems in UK who.....
dont like the laws and prefer Shia laws, there are planes, boats etc that can convey you to where there is.
It would be better for you, more comfortable, so just pack your bags a bugger off out of the UK. Take as many with you too.
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17. Think Tank? News? LOL. I've Been Telling You For Years
Read the last paragraph of the article until you get it. This is the vital and key missing ingredient in all western societies.
Some "news." Read the many articles repeating this theme for years are in our Convention Center Archives and you'll find tomorrow's and next year's "news" too.
They're not listening still...
Paqid Yirmeyahu
Israeli Orthodox Jew
Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority
Welcoming Jews & non-Jews
www.netzarim.co.il
| Paqid 16 Netzarim , |
Ra'anana, Israel |
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18. can I talk ?
I dont believe this place is good place to talk about my believe.
I dont think it is a good idea make my own probaganda.
But I will.
sorry.
I have read The book of Islam.
I have also read the others.
lets make this short.
I dont practice by believe.
But, Islam is the only way out for world.
The book is great book.
It is the only living fact.
But it has to be understand good.
I friendly advice everyone reads it with an open heart.
after reading the book, if you dont feel anything, keep your believe which I respect.
If I wouldnt say this I would never forgive myself.
I just did it. Because I care you.
yes I do.
| Atilla Karagözoğlu , |
Istanbul |
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19. Why not convert?
One way for the west to beat militant islam (if it b'comes too much of a threat) is to convert to a western moderate form of islam. Keeping all the positive tolerant values of the west while assimilating the positives of muslim spirituality.
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20. Apparently this cancer in Londonistan well spread !!
| KMR , |
Middle East |
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21. The more UK Muslims carry on Islamofascism, the more they
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Alan SA |
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22. Go live in a muslim country then
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23. Q -Why do they live in UK? A-Because UK BenefitSetup better
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24. The UK
Listen, am sick of this. We the so-called "racists" state quite clearly that if Islamists want Sharia Law then they should go to a country where it is in practice. We already know why they want to live here and its not for our climate. Does other Islamic countries offer financial assistance, housing, , reasonable medical care when unemployed plus education for both sexes. Our Government has made us the minority through pandering to Islamic wants and it is they that have the ear of our Government and not us "Limies".The day Sharia Law comes into effect in the UK, is the day I leave.
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25. TO #24- DONT LEAVE LIKE A CHICKEN FIGHT.
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26. MairiT, Glasgow (#24)
Just exactly where do you ASSUME will be left to go to???
Maybe you'd better DO something where you are!
Paqid Yirmeyahu
Israeli Orthodox Jew
Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority
Welcoming Jews & non-Jews
www.netzarim.co.il
| Paqid 16 Netzarim , |
Ra'anana, Israel |
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27. Why not convert? (Abdullah #19) Because of Truth & Integrity
There is no basis for Islam or the Quran without accepting the underlying premise of the historical information in Torah. So, if you accept Torah, then Torah stipulates that Christianity and Islam are BOTH false displacement theologies and BOTH J*esus and Mohammed are false prophets.
No one having equal parts of intelligence, education and integrity can be part of either of those false displacement theologies.
So, you should have the intelligence, education and integrity to convert to Torah.
Oh... I forgot. Your Muslim brothers would kill you for that.
Paqid Yirmeyahu
Israeli Orthodox Jew
Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority
Welcoming Jews & non-Jews
www.netzarim.co.il
| Paqid 16 Netzarim , |
Ra'anana, Israel |
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28. Islam and The UK or what is Left
19> Abdulah
Stop talking rubbish.
17> Think tank, how can there be a think tank when none of them are in touch with reality.
The truth of the matter is that we the non Islamic sector have now become the minority when it comes to being british. We do not have a voice and if we do voice our fears, we are regarded as either paranoid or racists.
I do not feel guilty in the least, if they want to live here then so be it, BUT,they live according to OUR laws and not those of Sharia. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF BEING SUBJECTED TO A RELIGION THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IN,IS NOT PEACEFUL.
AND BELONGS TO THE DARK AGES.
| MairiT , |
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29. #11. India is the future hot bed for Islamic terrorism
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30. (In west), Recent converts to Islam are really deadly !!
| KMR , |
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