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Jesus is dead and buried in Jerusalem
Ariella Ringel-Hoffman
Published: 02.03.07, 08:29
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1. But why?
tFighterPilot   (03.02.07)
Christianity reached the phase when it doesn't lead to wars (the Iraq war was caused by greed, not religion) or hatred, rather only for good things. Why do you try to destroy it? (I'm Jewish btw)
2. Sure it is your most important film
(03.02.07)
Because it will be you last one , you finished your future by your hands and those who payed you or incouraged you to do it will not support you later when most of the world will reject you and your film .
3. Let The Experts Argue.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (03.02.07)
Most of us are completely unqualified to make any judgements - we just don't have the scientific background to know what we're talking about. Even experts will disagree for many years to come. That this is really the tomb of Jesus & his family is within the realm of possibility. But, like most scientific work, a degree of skepticism is necessary. It can only be judged as to how probable it is - maybe, possible, a 50/50% probability, likely - who knows? One thing for sure - none of us know.
4. "For past 2,000 years, world HAS KNOWN that "JC" died and...
Michael Steiner   (03.02.07)
...went to heaven"!!? Well, roll me in horse manure and call me stinky, but I sure never "knew" that. I've known certain sections of the world made claims to that effect but no-one ever produced even circumstantial evidence that such a person ever even existed, never mind got up to all the other things these individuals imputed to him. Why don't we concentrate on proving this guy ever walked the face of this planet, and then we can get into discourses concerning his supposed life, opus and death.
5. Crosses on the sarcophaguses?
Shoshannah ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (03.02.07)
Jacobovici states that there are crosses carved on the sarcophaguses from this tomb. My understanding (and I'm willing to be corrected) is that the cross as a symbol of Christianity was used only much later and that no one used it at that time. Perhaps the tomb is from the Second Temple Period, but perhaps it was again and the sarcophaguses are from a later time, even Byzantine period. Besides that, ideology completely aside (and I wouldn't mind at all if the findings were accurate), it is the job of the archaeologists and other experts in these and related fields to be skeptical in order to be diligent in examining the facts and possibilities. To claim that Prof. Kloner and others were being "political" in their responses is simply irresponsible. But then, without Jacobovici's wild and exaggerated claims, there would be no movie and no awards and such... some people just want to make a name for themselves, not find out the real story which we won't know conclusively anyway, not from this film certainly and not until G-d wants us to know.
6. I don't understand the problem
Ilan ,   Ariel   (03.02.07)
Why is it an affront to Christianity to be able to locate an actual grave site. In the Jewish texts only Eliahu is taken up to heaven, although that may in fact be a vision. As I understand Christianity, they believe that Jesus was coporeal so that if some now claims to have found that body why does that affect their faith. The second thing I don't understand is what role a DNA analysis could have in that. What does that prove one way or another?
7. To No. 6 Ilan
NYC Girl   (03.02.07)
The reason for the DNA analysis was to try to determine the relationship between those who were buried in the tomb. The theory was that rather than all of them being blood relatives, the remains of those who they theorize were Jesus and Mary Magdalene would then be shown to have been a married couple who were buried along with their son.
8. His name was actually Emmanuel
:o   (03.02.07)
And it's not the first grave of Jesus found. Here in Israel we have such a kind of story every 2 or 3 years, graves, writings, or people who strive to prove that some holy places are actually located elsewhere. Many of these issues are proved by police as fraud to make some money.. you heared right, the police, because artifacts trafficking is a big business here in Israel. Usually poor palestinians rob an archeological site, an israaeli trafficker buys the stuff and sells them in hotels in tel aviv to sick people from america.
9. Child who plays with a landmine he considers a discovery
elijah ,   Beirut   (03.02.07)
1-finding Jesus remains doesnt lead to know if he was married or not, or how he used to live so what is the point behind the movie? 2-This whole story doesnt affect christians believes since we pass through lots of suspicions during our lives so it is just another one. 3-Well Jesus has a human side since we believe he was crucified so he could be burried but he doesnt rest in peace there i dont think anyone rests in peace in a grave coz all is left are ashes, we believe in resurrection.
10. THIS SIMCHA JACOBOVIC IS A SHAME AND A STUPID MAN.
AVRAHAM ,   JERUSALEM   (03.02.07)
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PROVE? LEAVE IT ALONE AND DONT PLAY WITH FAITH. WELL NOW ITS TO LATE. IT WILL BE YOUR LAST FILM THOUGH.
11. Wrong tree
Pierre ,   Canada   (03.02.07)
Sorry guys and galls, you are barking up the wrong tree. READ, with a big emphasis, the Gospel, Jesus, Yeshua, IS resurected, AND is GOD. Very soon HE will be back.
12. Pure Nonsense.
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (03.02.07)
13. the fear of christians
Yisraeli   (03.02.07)
whilst not saying this find is all it claims to be obviously its for the experts to work at it. One thing is for sure it will only confirm to many what they already believe. That such a man was not all the church claimed him to be. Understand after the gathering at Nice around 329AD. It became a power play and reconstituting Roman pagan customs. They simply replaced one man idol with another and claimed he was god incarnate. christianity was the greatest fraud even put on mankind, but it served the purpose of controlling the masses and bringing wealth to the institution of the church who laid claim for salvation and entry ticket to heaven was only through them and no other. They sought to control kings too. It was a most powerfull tool. Why do you think most of Europe has discarded this belief, they have come to understand and realise what it really was and whom it served. As someone famous put it, if you believe Jesus was god incarnate, then died for your sins, then arose etc. etc. when you go to church please leave whatever semblance of a brain you have in the carpark with your car. The truth is probably closer then the fiction. A man who was married and even had children or a child and none of all the bs attributed to him later. The way I see it is that cosmic powers are implanting the seeds of change and eye opening process. The Da Vinci code was one and perhaps this too. The church is very scared to lose its power base and will seek to discredit everything no matter the cost. Wake up christians from your pagan idol worship of a man and become Noahides Its already happening..
14. Kol haKavod Simcha
שילוה ,   ישראל   (03.02.07)
As the lie of Esav continues to unravel, what can one expect from Christians and Messianics that their house build on the sand is being blown away. The judgement of Esav in Ovadiah obviously took place a couple of years ago and now haShem is giving the Goyim a final oppourtunity to get it right. Just like as explained in the book of Jonah! Maybe this is too much to comprehend for most.
15. #13 Yisraeli
Rick ,   Open Range, USA   (03.02.07)
Maybe you are not familar with Simcha Jacobovici's other most popular work. That is were he deconstructs, and discredits, the miracle of God leading the Hebrews out of ancient Egypt!! According to Jacobovici, it was all just a geological upheaval and the enslaved Hebrews seized upon the opportunity to run away from their slave masters. So don't be too smug about the works of Jacobovici unless you are also willing to discredit the Jewish faith in G-d as well.
16. Simcha has best show ever!
efi g ,   washington dc   (03.02.07)
Simcha is very bright and a true professional. Some people cant handle the truth, thats all.
17. One of the biggest Craps of all time
Brod ,   USA   (03.02.07)
This is one of the biggest craps of all time produced by pagans and atheists. This is BLASPHEMY. People who do not know the Holy Bible and wanting to be 'expert' on something that they know nothing about. This should be discarded as trash.
18. Jesus said:"Who is not with me, who is against me.
Gabi ,   T-A   (03.02.07)
Your film is against Jesus. Whome that film have done for? Let's be fun with them. Congratulations to your last film.
19. Genuine desecration ... of a tomb
Marcel Abel ,   France   (03.02.07)
which might contain human remains. Which tomb could contain GOD ? The very question is a blasphemy against all believers. I wonder why two serious attacks against Christians have been aired through Ynet within eight days ... Jacobovici has mocked Christians' faith and now we pray for him that the Lord may give him His peace because of the SHAME on him, and may repent this sad story, even pure fabrication aimed at deeply hurting sincere religious people. 1 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. 2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. 5 The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6 He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you." 8 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9 Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me." 11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12 When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13 telling them, "You are to say, 'His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.' 14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble." 15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day. 16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." (Matthew 28.1-20)
20. thank you simcha because you give us a reason to biuld
slim shady ,   israel   (03.02.07)
to build a church there.
21. Why are you looking for the living among the dead?
Eli   (03.02.07)
Yeshua is risen and alive. Jews and Romans witnessed this. There will be a day that this will be revealed to all and no hatred can change this. Yeshua is our brother and belongs to the Jews in the first place. He was a Tzadik. This hatred towards him is totally irrational.
22. to # 13
Marius ,   Bucharest Romania   (03.02.07)
my dear friend, you said: "As someone famous put it, if you believe Jesus was god incarnate, then died for your sins, then arose etc. etc. when you go to church please leave whatever semblance of a brain you have in the carpark with your car." let me remind you that ANY religion is a matter of belief. since I am a Christian, should feel like having no brain? do you think other religious beliefs are more rational? why do you judge and offend Christianity, since you are not a Christian? as about the Christian Church, if it is no longer a political tool, as you stated, than why all these attacks at its address? my thesys is some people just can't accept the reality of this faith. finally, about the movie, I would say that the tomb of Jesus is already known.. you can go and see it, near Golgotha - it has been revealed in 325 AD. the arguments produced by the filmmakers are mostly irrelevant. I don't like this type of marketing strategy, based upon controversies, and I also think that the author of today's article chosed an inappropriate, because obviously partial, title. I would respectfully ask her to be more balanced and less provocative in the future.
23. Logic and religion
Sagi ,   Israel   (03.02.07)
I, like most normal persons in this world believe that Jesus is a figment of man's imagination, certainly his many unworldy attributes before and after his "death" were inexplicable by the basic laws of nature and physics. However, if this grave is found to be that of this famous "holy man"( whatever that may mean ), then the world will be a better place simply because it will be proven that "God" lived and died and was buried. Thus the world, or at least the Christian part of it, will be rid of "God" once and for all. In this respect this find may prove to be a "Godsend" for humanity.
24. #14 ישראל שילוה
Marcel Abel ,   France   (03.02.07)
Our house has not been build on the sand but on the Rock for eternity. An opportunity - maybe the last one - is given to YOU to consider what the prophets said in : Isaiah 40:3-5; Isaiah 7:14; Micah 5:1; Isaiah 42:1-7 § 61:1-2; Psalm 22:1-22; Isaiah 53; Psalm 16:10 -11; Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27; Ezekiel 37; Zechariah 12; and Isaiah 11:1-10. and so on (You see only OT). Deuteronomy 18:19 "If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account." "True Jews were identified as only those who share ancestry through all three of the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, with the branches founded by Ismael and Esau being excluded from the Divine Promise to posses Eretz Yisrael. This was mainly an abstruse theological issue until the rise of Zionism, but is a potent and emotive argument for the religious extreme-right in present-day Israel." While Jonah falls, God lifts him up for some time after three days of symbolic death that he may be obedient. Jesus who was all obedience and had nothing of himself died a true death and, after three days, was then "lifted up" for ever. Peace with you.
25. Israel - Land of Endless Combinas
Seth ,   Washington, DC   (03.02.07)
26. Now that we know where Jesus is....
Jack ,   San Diego, USA   (03.02.07)
...let Jacobovici turn his attention to determining where Mohammad (and his horse Barak) went to after their death!
27. The Exodus Decoded
Kelly ,   Philadelphia, USA   (03.02.07)
In Jacobovici's "The Exodus Decoded" documentary, he claims that a volcanic eruption caused the parting of the Red Sea and that the first-born males of the Egyptians died due to a carbon dioxide cloud caused by a volcanic eruption. Plus, I don't understand James Cameron being involved in any Biblical Archaeology projects. He described himself to his biographer as "Only marginally religious" . I just think of them as a couple of filmmakers who fancy themselves as Indiana Jones, create adventures themselves and then try to pass off their theories as fact.
28. Some stones are best left unturned
Jabroni ,   Florida   (03.02.07)
Let us not forget how we felt when Christians made The Passion of the Christ film just to antagonize us Jews
29. The DNA from God
Anna ,   Montreal, Canada   (03.02.07)
Even as Christians believe Jesus was resurrected, he had a body before, as well as Mary, Maria Magdalene, others. Jesus was a son of the Woman. Women also have the DNA! We all quick to forget as in the September- October we had the revelation of another “discovery” and restoration of the Judah’s Gospel. When we can’t understand or agree with something we try to discredit the whistleblower. Thank you to the author of this excellent article. My “hats down” before Simcha Jacobovici and James Cameron for their really brave and highly professional work. By the way if we know from that DNA analysis the difference between Maria and Jesus then we close to know God’s DNA.
30. CORRECTIONS
Lebanese Christian ,   MELBOURNE   (03.02.07)
1-JESUS'S NAME IN ARAMIC IS ISSO. 2- JESUS HAD NO BROTHERS. THE BROTHERS MENTIONED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT WERE REFERED TO HIS COUSINS. AS THE WORD BROTHER USED FOPR COUSINS AT THAT TIME. 3-JESUS HAD NO SON. THIS IS THE INVENTION OF ANOTHER FILM MAKER. THERE IS NO MENTION IN THE NEW TESTAMENT OF ANY CHILD SITTING ON JESUS LAP DURING THE LAST SUPPER. JESUS'S YOUNGEST DISCIPLE WAS JOHN. 4- JESUS'S FATHER JOSEPH WAS BELIEVED TO HAVE DIED BEFORE JESUS. BURYING JESUS IN THE SAME TOOMB WOULD HAVE BEEN EXPOSED BY JESUS'S ENEMIES TO PROVE THAT HE HAD NOT BEEN RESURRECTED. THIS WHOLE FILM IS BASED ON DECEIVING THE AUDIANCE & IS NOT WORTH TO BE WATCHED.
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