1. nobody is immune from this disease
Nobody - even not Winston Churchill - is immune from the contagious disease of antisemitism.
It started from some early Christians and was transmitted from generation to generation by what mam and dad say.
That being said, I must admit that I admire the non-Jewish people that resist to it.
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2. He is correct - being different does invite persecution
We Jews are different and should be proud of it. It may be worth the persecution to maintain the identity and tradition. Any 10 year old kid can tell you being different is not a good idea in immature societies. Let us make sure that our differences are always positive and we never distinguish ourselves in ways we will be ashamed of
| rh , |
Ashdod Israel |
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3. German Jews were most assimilated
If Jewish self-segregation was the reason behind anti-semitism, then why were German and Austrian Jews the first targets during WWII? They were the most assimilated Jews in all of Europe. They considered themselves Germans first and Jews second.
If Jewish self-segregation is the reason for anti-semitism, then explain the status of Jews in the USSR. In a society in which religion was forbidden, and in which many of the Jews were among the founding communists and had totally rejected the religion, Jews were still second class citizens.
Clearly, Churchill's thesis also has some major flaws...
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4. Churchill was Right
One can divide up the Jewish people into two groups:
Those who feel that anti-Semitism is completely due to the Gentile's world insane, irrational hatred of us; and those who understand we, the Jewish people, are, in fact, different and that we have intentionally separated ourselves from the Gentiles in any variety of ways in order NOT to assimilate with them.
The truth is more in the latter than the former.
Although there have been many cases of irrational anti-Semitism, such as Amalek in days of yore and several more contemporary examples, most anti-Semitism has been due to the simple fact that people naturally do not like anyone who is different than they are.
This is a basic fact of life.
It is for the mature person and the civilized peoples of the world to overcome the natural urge to hate and understand that different is NOT necessarily a threat to them and their way of life.
We, as Jews, should make that clear. Although we are different than the Gentiles and must remain so in order to survive as a distinct and unique nation, we are NOT a threat to them.
We want the peoples of the world to be happy, successful and to thrive.
The idea of destruction is an anathema to us.
Our greatest hope is that all of mankind will one day join together in peace, and in the love of the one G-d.
| Reuven Brauner , |
Raanana, Israel |
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5. Needs To Be Put In Historical Context.
The man lived at a time when anti-Semitism was so pervasive all over Europe that he accepted anti-Semitic ideas even if he himself was not an anti-Semite.
The only nationalism that Europeans could not accept was ours. Jews were very assimilated in Germany, England, & France - it did nothing to diminish anti-Semitism. In many ways, assimilation increased anti-Semitism.
Even if we disappear, somehow anti-Semitism will continue. How many countries have zero Jews, but anti-Semitism is alive & well?
Today, sixty years after the Holocaust, this pathological mental disease is making a comeback, often in the guise of Israel-bashing.
The difference today is that we have a country & better means to defend ourselves.
| Terry , |
Eilat, Israel |
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6. why it was not published
i listened to alkaradawi lastly /he said that some sheihk of islam has right thoughts but afraid to bublish or to say becouse the media can not accept it ... and i know it well to say your openion .. you must have a strong back bone .. not to fear from the media .. i know even the profets as moses told the god ..that he was afraid from the media and asked if his brother haron could help him ... this chirchil which i know little things about him was a wize man and a courougeose one .. but the media was not as these day or may be it was little different // .. to tell the truth you must be alone out of the inviroment or media or may be so believe on your idea even if you will lost the life // it is like galilio and the round earth
| layla , |
jerusalem |
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7. Churchill Was A Great Man
He makes reasoned arguments, from what I have read, and seems actually interested in the answer to the question of continued and relentless persecution of Jews through much of history. It is, itself, as odd and unusual as the continued existence of the Jews through all of these millenia. There is no parallel in history.
Liberals are going to try to use this as a wedge to shove between Jews and conservatives, but the reasonable person will understand that no topics should ever be off limits, no matter how one dislikes the answers, or even the reasonable hypotheses.
Churchill was a great man to whom the Jews owe a great deal. I would have loved to have exactly this conversation with him, and I am interested to see the whole article.
| MK , |
Philadelphia USA |
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8. #5 Terry from Eilat
you state, --The difference today is that we have a country & better means to defend ourselves. ---
Is what Israel was founded upon, but the current trend which is very evident in the leadership its citizens elect to govern them that vision or idea has been lost
I only hope that Israel should not suffer that failure to regain its original purpose, as it would take an act of god to eradicate the unrelenting hate for Jews.
the world doesent need any excuses to justify Hate for the Jews as we in our generation even after 2,000 years are still blamed for the Romans (ironic) killing of Jesus, so Jews are to be blamed for all that ail's mankind
| chaim , |
miami beach usa |
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9. I agree with #5
The historical perspective is important, from an era where blaming a minority for being one, was common practice.
I found a quote of Churchill which shows another view on Jews, than what can be read here:
"First there are the Jews who, dwelling in every country throughout the world, identify themselves with that country, enter into its national life and, while adhering faithfully to their own religion, regard themselves as citizens in the fullest sense of the State which has received them. Such a Jew living in England would say, 'I am an English man practising the Jewish faith.' This is a worthy conception, and useful in the highest degree. We in Great Britain well know that during the great struggle the influence of what may be called the 'National Jews' in many lands was cast preponderatingly on the side of the Allies; and in our own Army Jewish soldiers have played a most distinguished part, some rising to the command of armies, others winning the Victoria Cross for valour."-Winston Churchill
| withheld , |
Copenhagen, Denmark |
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10. Churchill
According to the Sunday Times, Sir Martin Gilbert claimed that it was not written by Churchill but "ghost written by a member of Oswald Mosley's fascist party"....."Adam Marshall Diston" This has, apparently, been in the public domain for decades.
Surely this could not simply be a pretty shabby attempt to gain publicity for Richard Toye's new book?
| Paul Phillips , |
London England |
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11. SOON ENOUGH - JEWS WILL UNDERSTAND
Look at Israel
Look at the foreign workers who come
Will they ever really be zionists - jews - israelis ?
At what point are they considered "one of us" or "members of our tribe"?
How is loyalty measured?
at some point - now that israel has been reborn - each jewish person will be forced to make a choice - stay jewish , and return to israel..
or simply - quietly - become a member of the tribe where you live
If in England - go somewhere where no one knows you - change your name - join a church - find a wife and never look back
and do this ONLY - and I do mean ONLY - if you have arrived at the decision that you trully are acting out of the greatest love for your new tribe
only if you want to raise your hands to the sky - and truly be english once and for all
if not - then come home to israel
and if in israel - the same rule should apply to someone who loves israel - even if they are chinese
| andrew , |
miami,fl |
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12. Continuing to proclaim that you're the chosen people
is what really pisses people off. If you believe this, then Methuselah really did live a thousand years. What are the rest of us, chopped liver?
| Lisa , |
Hillsdale, USA |
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13. 100 PERCENT CORRECT
To argue differently is to contradict basic Jewish philosophy ie Not to assimilate. not to look like them without side locks and head covering. not to work like them on saturday. etc
what Churchill implies here is that as a result of the Jews successfully holding onto their identity, they have consequentially been persecuted and this is not only accepted as fact by every jew on this planet, many of us indeed take great PRIDE in this.
so the hoopla originates from the use of the word "partly responsible"
I think we are completely responsible, that is why we are the chosen ppl
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14. Haman said the same thing!!
In the story of of Purim - which we just celebrated - Haman's rationale for murdering the Jews of Persia was that we were 'different.' SO WHAT??? The Muslims are different, too! But the main difference between us and the Muslims is that the world is afraid of the Muslims! And at that time the world was beginning to be wary of the Nazis. If that piece of garbage had been published, it would have been ammunition for Hitler! My respect for Churchill has been greatly diminished!
| Chaya , |
Bat Yam, Israel |
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15. Yeah RIGHT !
| ben , |
singapore |
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16. Different
If we were meant to be identical, our DNA would be the same. Besides, I can't think of anything more boring than a planet run over with people who are just like me. Instead of looking at Jews as being different from "us," maybe, just maybe, some of "us" are different from Jews and a whole lot of other folks. So what on all counts!!! As long as we learn from each other and appreciate those differences, "different" is good, or as the French say, "Vive la difference!"
| M. Hartley , |
Atlanta, US |
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17. Heated by Goym and proud of it
The last thing we, the Jewish people need to seek is to be loved by Goym. Throughout our history we always get in trouble when we seek approval and acceptance by Goym. And to #12 Lisa: Stop pretending and lying to yourself. You know that G-f of Israel has chosen us; otherwise it would not bother you and other Jew-haters so much.
| Moishe , |
Golutsk |
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18. the usual ostrige syndrome
the Zionists as usual complain of so called anti semetism to anyone who would dare to critisize their self inflected reverse racism so they can be targeted in order to use it for the sake of creating their evil entity: "israel"
Churchil, the main broker of Israel, carter, and no one knows who else would join the Zionist list of so-called "Anti semetism" ....we Arabs we have known this fact all along
| Ahmad , |
nablus |
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19. If God has chosen you, ask Him to pay
your defense bills, and leave the US out of it.
| Lisa , |
Hillsdale, NJ |
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20. Being different is always "excuse" to persecute.
Not just being Jewish.
People that are different always say the wrong things, and as a result they sometimes look different, this gives others the opportunity to kill off their animal hides by persecuting them.
For instance imagine being a prophet? Especially an "unwitting one"?
You would always be offending people, and because of your humility, you would still take their abuse.
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21. To #3
Not only that, they were the wealthiest, and frowned upon the peasant Jews from Lithuainia etc. who were considered second class Jews, and embarased.
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22. To Lisa:
The truth is that we do not need your money. This money does more harm than good to the Jewish People in general and the State of Israel in particular. In fact this money was imposed by the US on Israel. The real purpose of this money is to buy US control and influence over corrupt Israeli Government. It keeps Israel as hostage to the US. US give Israel $2.5 billion dollars per year. The US ordered forced evacuation of Jews from Gaza 2 years ago cost Israeli Government alone over $10 billion.
You should thank your former president Jimmy Carter and US State Department for this money. This money was forced upon Israel in late 70’s during Camp David so called “Peace” accord negotiations. This money was part of the agreement where both Israel and Egypt would receive equal amount. Prior to that Israel did not depend on any country for its survival and financial aid and was doing much better. Consider this money a price Jimmy Carter paid for his pathetic legacy.
We would do much better without you money, than you very much.
| Moishe , |
Golutsk |
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23. Churchill's advise: stop being Jews.
Problem is that ex-Jewish priests and nuns were also put in concentration camps, as Jews.
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24. layla, read what Churchill said about Arabs.
I bet you're not going to like it very much.
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25. Jews don't proclaim it, Lisa, Bible does.
That's why the people are pissed off. An inferiority complex.
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26. Ahmad, it is Muslims now that complain.
They even invented a new term 'Islamophobia.'
Muslims are not assimilating and demanding that all countries change their laws, custom and traditions to accomodate them.
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27. #12
We continue to proclaim it as G-d proclaimed it Himself.
As for the chopped liver remark...
No, all nations of world are G-d's people. The Jews were chosen to be a "light unto the nations". I grant you that this light doesn't shine brightly for the most part and we are to blame for this.
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28. Churchill's Best Comments are reserved for Muslims:
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as
hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The
effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of
slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among
men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities ... but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome. [The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pp. 248-50.]
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29. Marti Gilbert says article written by Adam Marshall Diston
He was Churchills Ghost Writer.
Churchills instructions were different from what Diston wrote.Diston was a supporter of Oswald Moseley.
Churchills private office stopped its publication in the Sunday Dispatch in March1940,weeks before he became PM. (Reference- Observer 11.03.07 Page 16)
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30. This story is a falsity like that BENJAMIN FRANKLIN one
Churchill was a friend.
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