1. Anti-Semitism or Anti-Zionism?
Osama Bin Laden claimed that he was motivated to Jihad against the USA because of US support for Israeli aggression in Lebanon.
The root cause of Islamist terror is the Israel/Palestine conflict. Until that festering sore is healed, the disease will continue to spread.
I am not defending the Korean comic book's creator, I have not seen the offending product. Ynet should publish these cartoons and let the readership decide.
Teaching children that the war on terror is fundamentally related to Zionism in Palestine and the subsequent Arab/Islamic reaction to Jewish colonization in Palestine is not anti-Semitic by nature. Kids need to hear the unvarnished truth, otherwise the bigotry and blodshed will continue forever.
"Der Judenstaat" should be required reading in all secondary schools. The whole utopian scheme is laid out plainly - Herzl rejects assimilation and calls for a faith-based, race-based, colonial enterprize in Palestine as the only alternative to "the Jewish Question".
The Jewish State concept smacks of Jewish supremacy and Judeo theocracy. Theocracies are dangerous anachronisms. No exceptions.
In the age of WMD, concentrating the Diaspora in Palestine makes absolutely no sense. Survival through dispersal makes sense.
The Diaspora should make Aliyah to the USA, let the hot-heads in the Holy Land fend for themselves. Herzl's scheme is not working out as advertized.
I would welcome the former Israelis as my neighbors, provided that they leave the old angst behind and start a new life as secular-oriented, American citizens.
Assimilation beats annihilation.
| new_york_loner , |
Rochester, NY |
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2. Yeah, today's Antisemites are "Critics of Israel", "AntiZion
Each generation has its own Jew haters, no matter how they call themselves.
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3. #1 So what do you really propose?
Like many around the world, you want Israel dismantled or destroyed and you want its Jewish inhabitants scattered back into the Diaspora. Your call for assimilation also recalls solutions to the Jewish Question.
So how do you want to proceed with these actions? How do propose we achieve a world without Israel or religious Jews that seek Zion?
| Mike , |
Atlanta, USA |
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4. I don't get it..why dont you get rid of superman comics too?
He represents hitler and lex luther represents the Jews... same thing
| Larissa , |
Australia |
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5. Anti-Semitism si a Jewish product...100%
"I think the strongest anti-Semitism sometimes exists among Jews. To this day a German Jew often hates Russian or Polish Jews. There are German-Jewish clubs around this country that did not allow Russian or Polish Jews when they first started. Some have relented a little, but not all. I'm sure that when Hitler started, many German Jews didn't mind what he did to other Jews. They didn't expect him to turn on them. Isn't it ridiculous? But if can exist among Jews, why shouldn't it exist among others?"
— Kirk Douglas
| M-rex , |
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6. #1 don't be an idiot. It's blatantly anti-Semitic
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7. #1
Wow. Where to start. First of all, who was talking about Lebanon or Bin Laden? Second, Bin Laden's #1 issue was the US presence in Saudi. Third, in case you didn't know, Judaism is at once a religion, ethnicity and culture, and so a 'Jewish state' is no stranger than a 'French' or 'English' state. Further, the Church of England is the official state religion in the latter country. Finally, the referred-to is exactly the type of dangerous, misinformed, paranoid idiocy we should all combat.
| Mike , |
Wilmington, DE |
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8. #1 new_york_loner
These cartoons can be found on googlepages, someone made a translation. They are NOT anti-Zionist, they are anti-Semitic, in every single way. They claim that all of Europe and all of the USA and the entire world's finance and every war America or Europe has been involved in is because of Jewish power.
Zionism is Jewish nationalism. Every other group maintains the right to self-determination without it being called racism or supremacism, so why if Jews believe they have the right to a state (and Jews have a significant right, seeing as pretty much the whole world except maybe the Hindus have detested them), all of a sudden THAT form of nationalism "reeks" of supremacism?
| Korem , |
New York, USA |
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(03.16.07) |
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9. #4 True, you don't get it
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11. Anti-Jewish Bigotry
If some one would say "I am not against the Spaniards but Spain is a racist country and has no right to exist".
What would you say? Personally I would ask the person to seek mental assistance and there is no secret that you countless of good psyco-doctors in the NYC area. As a matter of fact I think the person would feel at home with people like you.
| Ilan , |
Hebrew Homeland |
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(03.16.07) |
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12. #1 Anti-Jewish bigotry
" I have nothing against Spaniards or Arabs but Spain and all 22 Arab states have no right to exist". I am sure that you can recommend a good NYC shrink to people with your bigotry based world-view.
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13. #1 Why do you believe everything terrorists say but never
but you NEVER believe in what the President says.
Why do you believe every word of the jihadm but never of your own people?
Was 9/11 not destructive enough for you to recognize what is going on?
Have fun with the Nuke that is coming your way paid free by Iran if you dont support the war on terror.
You REAP WHAT YOU SOW.
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14. #1
'The root cause of Islamist terror is the Israel/Palestine conflict. Until that festering sore is healed, the disease will continue to spread. '
Is it why islamists commit acts of terrorism in Thailand, Philippines, Pakistan, India, Nigeria, Russia, and Iraq?
It is all about Israel?
Either you are a complete idiot or a manipulative Islamist yourself.
As to diaspora making Aliyah to the US, I have a far better suggestion: why don't your Arabs make aliya from Israel, Judea and Gaza back to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria. If they do that much there is no more reason for the Israeli /Arab problem, is there?
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15. #1 , do you suggest that Muslims assimilate
If tMuslims would only stop being Muslims and dismantle CAIR and all those other subversive organizations, there would be no threat of terror in the West. Let's face it; Islam is incompatible with the Western values, as Muslims often remind us. Lets Muslims in the West assimilate and become Christians or Jews.
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16. Missing response.
I submitted a carefully crafted response to my critics, butYnet has not published it here. Why not?
Posters should have a right to defend themselves from infair criticism, where is my rebuttal to my critics?
I observed the TOS agreements, why the censorship?
| new_york_loner , |
Rochester, NY |
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(03.16.07) |
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17. dear misleading, new_york_loner
If you can read(or try)
It says on the top of this comment that..
Comments containing incitement, slander, RACIST slurs and INAPPROPRIATE language deemed to VIOLATE our TERMS of use won't be published.
is most likely why.
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18. #1
I thought Bin laden was moved to attack the US beacuse the US was in the Holy land (saudi arabia) since Iraq was trying to take oil fields
I'm guessing that bombings and killings are at buddhist and Muslims really have a connention with Israel
Errr...
I'm guessing anti-semitic and reading isn't the biggest in your vocab
The "war on terror" is about Islamists killing all over the world
two different cultures clashes together.
I always thought he said that people who are jewish should reclaim Israel as a homeland beacuse of things back at home beacuse of religous issues and to ESCAPE it.
next thing you know
you'er going to put the talmud as a defence.(explains why your comments could've been published)
You have ZERO respect for people who are Jewish and their own rights.
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19. #16- maybe you were getting too close to exposing the truth?
| Larissa , |
Australia |
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20. #9. what i meant is Superman is trying to save the world
and Lex Luther is plotting against it.
| Larissa , |
Australia |
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21. Bin Laden's own words.
Here is a cut/paste from the English transcript of Bin Laden's speech to America, published November 2, 2004, on the Al Jazeera website.
Here is the URL for the web page:
http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403
The US/Israeli action against the Palestinians and the Lebanese people motivated Bin Laden to Jihad.
These are Bin Laden's own words -
"I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind."
Perhaps Ynet will post this response, maybe not, their recent spate of censorship has destroyed much of their editorial credibility.
| new_york_loner , |
Rochester, NY |
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22. #21
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/
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23. #19
" Comments containing incitement, slander, racist slurs and inappropriate language deemed to violate our terms of use won't be published."
CAN ANYONE READ THESE DAYS???
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24. #23- What happened to democracy. Why the oppression?
"Violating terms and conditions"... is anything that may illustrate that Jews have actually commited war crimes, violated human rights, killed civillians, or occupied Palestinian land.
I agree 100% that the censorship on this site is rediculous when it comes to posts representing the "other side" of an argument to that of the Jews.
I see peoples posts on here that make personal attacks on individuals because of their opinion and even distasteful language appears in posts on the site.
| Larissa , |
Australia |
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(03.18.07) |
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25. Response to Larissa and Jason
Jason, you did not concede that I was absolutely correct in identifying the US/Israeli action against the Lebanese and the Palestinians as the motivating force for Bin Laden's decision to go Jihad on the twin towers in NYC. Too much egotistical certitude to admit your shortcomings, Jason?
The subheadline on this article states that , " Jews were driving force for hatred that led to Sept. 11 attacks". I submitted Bin Laden's quote as evidence to support that claim.
You dutifully schlepped out the Jewish Virtual Library's main propaganda page, as if that was irrefutable evidence to the contrary. The JVL is OK if you like your "facts" spun, twisted, inverted or omitted. That site is pure, American-financed Israeli propaganda, designed to dupe the American taxpayer.
Obviuosly you are a loyal, American lap-dog for Zionism, Jason. That's unfortunate but understandable, if you are of Jewish descent. If you are a gentile zionists, you are a non-Jewish, Jewish spupremacist. And that is quite goofy - are you a self-hating Goy!
Larissa, you have seen the light. Please visit my blog:
http://new-york-loner.livejournal.com/
In closing, let me say that Ynet is very fickle, sometimes they will admit strong criticism of the Jewish State concept, other times, they act much like the Mossad or KGB censors.
Again, the oppressed Jewish Diaspora would be much better off by abandoning Herzl's failed experiment in theocratic/race-based nationalism in Palestine and resettling here in the USA, where pluralism, diversity , integration and equal opportunity define our collective national goals.
The question remains, will Ynet post this response?
| new_york_loner , |
Rochester, NY |
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26. #25 Wow, if Bin Laden said it,
it must be true. Is that the best you can do? He was ready to Jihad his way around the world. Now he's petrifying in some hole. Your website is unoriginal and could not exist without the material you gather from Ynet and JPost. You should say thank you to Ynet instead of complaining. This site and Israel in general, obviously inspires you.
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27. #25
" The subheadline on this article states that , " Jews were driving force for hatred that led to Sept. 11 attacks". "
it also says in the article
" One of three books on the US initially published in 2004 contains a chapter claiming Jews were the driving force for the hatred that led to the Sept. 11 attacks, that they exert control over all US media and also prevent Korean-Americans from succeeding in the United States. "
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf1.html#m
As writer Leon Wieseltier observed, “the notion that all Jews are responsible for whatever any Jews do is not a Zionist notion. It is an anti-Semitic notion.” Wieseltier adds that attacks on Jews in Europe have nothing whatsoever to do with Israel. To blame Jews for anti-Semitism is similar to saying blacks are responsible for racism.
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28. #25
" Jason, you did not concede that I was absolutely correct in identifying the US/Israeli action against the Lebanese and the Palestinians as the motivating force for Bin Laden's decision to go Jihad on the twin towers in NYC. Too much egotistical certitude to admit your shortcomings, Jason? "
1. the anwser for that was IN the link I put on.
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29. #25
" That site is pure, American-financed Israeli propaganda, designed to dupe the American taxpayer. "
The site is NON-PROFIT
anyone in the world could just donate money
not just people in the US.
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30. #25
" Obviuosly you are a loyal, American lap-dog for Zionism, Jason. That's unfortunate but understandable, if you are of Jewish descent. If you are a gentile zionists, you are a non-Jewish, Jewish spupremacist. And that is quite goofy - are you a self-hating Goy! "
I don't like what Israel dose at most time but for that comment to you honestly think why Zionism was made in the 1st place?
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