31. continuous presence in historic Palestine
When you expel people from their land, it is called ethnic cleansing.Please read The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe.
Zionism began in the 19th century when people like Theodor Herzel,an Austrian Jew decided to establish a Zionist state.
It does not matter whether it was stolen land,land purchased with money from European Jews,or the infamous policy of the British Mandate,the Palestinians became a dispossessed people.
This is wrong.Many European Jews did not initially want to come to Palestine.They wanted to go other countries like the U.S. and Britain.
The population of ethnic Jews in Palestine in the 19th century was miniscule compared to the Palestinian one.It increased dramatically with the decision to establish a Zionist state.The fact that this new state was supported by funds from abroad and is also now the most militarised state in the region(also heavily supported by the world's super power) does not make the situation right.Might is not right.
Now, it is important that Israel(and its supporters) accept the Beirut initiative and let the Palestinians live in Peace and Justice.
The international community will also be settled with that.
Palestine With Hope should be our motto now.
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32. Dear Laryssa #27
Laryssa,
Why don't you first teach your child that everybody in the world has the right to live in the land you have stolen from the Aborigins?
Lets first teach Australian children to abolish the infamous detention camps, to free all refugees, and open the borders to one million refugees every year!
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33. Dear palestinian haifa 29
Dear Palestinian:
you, Arabs, started it. You, Arabs, suffer the consequences.
and they will punish you hard again and again, every time you will try to steal what they have built with blood and hard work.
It would be best if you find more creative ways to solve your problems than trrying to
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34. NO 9
VERY WELL SAID BRO !!!
| Daniel , |
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35. In conclusion;
we still have refugees in world.
having refugees in todays world is bad.
it is non sense.
it is no need.
Israel is very new country on one hand.
On the other hand, Israel is very very old country.
OTHER FACT !
there is a people called Palestinians. I mean all my life I heard it. Where they will live ? how they live ?
WE GOT TO SAVE PALESTINIANS FROM THEIR POLITICIANS.
AS LONG AS WE DONT SOLVE THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PEOPLE, there will be no peace there.
Israels security and happyness belongs to the Palestinians independance.
They got to have their own ground, their own liberty.
If we wish to think THERE IS NO PEOPLE CALLED AS PALESTINIANS, this will be helpless, endless fight.
we cant have all.
but we can share according to history and people rights.
soon or later we will be facing with the truth.
that is EVERY PEOPLE HAVE RIGHT TO EXIST.
we have power to go into changing.
Leaders need with great visions.
Leaders need who dont care their own life. who is ready to die for the peace.
These days are very beginning.
Some day we will see Young Arabs will have frienship with young Jews.
and that time I will go to Japanies web news sites to try find a Japanies girl friend. I love the beauty Japanies girls have on their faces, on their eyes. they are warm, kind...I am not joking. It look like Middle East not ready to love others.
Let me stay until the peace comes there. than I leave.
in 20 years Both people will hug each other.
Let see.
Human Mind is too strong.
Anything is possible.
I learn to love others. and I love now.
if a half brain man (me) can make it anyone can do it.
love
Atilla Karagözoğlu
Not for My Ynet : From now on I am here in day time and daily basis :) I got a little but nice ofice. My note book, my coffe, and MY DREAMS :) and you My Ynet :)
what would I can ask more !
did I say I dont Love you guys :))))))
| Atilla Karagözoğlu |
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36. These days go fast, LETS STAND FOR THE PEACE
such a bad examples we are for todays children.
they will be worst than us in tomorrows.
bad teachers we are
love
Atilla Karagözoğlu
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37. for an active US (America) LETS STAND
only the Us can give us a free world.
they got all we need.
they only need to be a responsible father/mother for world.
great American soul can make it.
they were homeless once upon time. than they build the greatest country called GREAT AMERICA.
democrates or republician is same for us, WE ONLY WANT TO SEE POLITICS FOR WORLD MAN LIKA MAN.
love
Atilla Karagözoğlu
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38. Olmert is just unlucky human
he is just a little fish in the ocean.
he is a just model.
thats all.
who rules him ?
Atilla Karagözoğlu
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39. peace
The israelis will never make peace and the world knows it very well, they went to this land to make wars.
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40. drop the cruel delusion
that there is any acceptance of Israel anywhere in the Arab world. Our "leaders" have adopted this delusion more and more since 1992, getting much of the citizenry to go along with them, and the result is that we ceased being the powerhouse we were before then, and turned into patsies and pushovers, getting aggressed against without response or without capable response. The root of the evil is in this kind of idiotic talk, trying to persuade the honorable gentlemen in Mecca to drop a few demands that don't suit our tastes.
| RobertK , |
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41. Eye by Eye
Like Israel had and still have the right to collect the Jews from around the world and to bring them to Israel to creat the great Israel i think the Palistinians has the same right too at least the Palistinians will bring back the other Palistinians and they will not collect the Molslems from around the world like Israel did with transfering the Jews from around the world to Israel .
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42. #29 - GIVE IT AWAY MATE, YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR DEPTH
Dont start giving critique about other's intelligence...you're no good at it.
( By the way... the Pal Arabs in '48 ..ran away with their tails between their legs at the suggestion of their Syrian/Egyptian Arab brothers who were promising to cleanse the area of the Jews - so they could come back after the 'job had been done" and live it up in a Jew-free Israel.
LOL ! ..didnt work out very well, did it?
You people - like the stupid suggestion of "right of return" - are a joke.)
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43. PALS DONT NEED RIGHT OF RETURN - THEY WILL BREED THEMSELVES
BACK INTO CONTROL WITH THEIR HIGH BIRTHRATE WHILE LIVING OFF THEIR ENEMY'S SOCIAL SYSTEM.
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44. Compensate all refugees and their descendants
Jewish and Arab!! The conflict can only end when there is a sense that justice has been served. The nature of compensation be it a physical right of return or otherwise can be negotiated. But the fact that injustice was doen by both the israeli and arab "nationalists" cannot be swept under th4e magic carpet. This injustice must be undone that is NOT negotiable, in the quest for any meaningful peace.
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45. # 44/Abdullah- 1 cents for each will do ...
1 cent is a fair compensation.
1 cent is sufficient for refugees.
In normal circumstance refugees cant get even the 1 cent.
Take IT !
| ben , |
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46. Olmert, like Barak at Taba, negotiates from weakness
| aaron , |
ra'anana |
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47. Arabs need to learn to live and let live
Like the Arabs, Germans were the aggressor throughout the nineteen thirties and early nineteen forties.
Arabs illegally occupied and squatted on Jewish land.
Millions of Germans were expelled from nations Germany occupied during the second world war.
The majority of the deportations occurred in areas belonging to Czech Republic, Poland and Russia after the war. Others occurred in territories of today's Slovakia, Hungary, Serbia.
Arabs were and continue to be the aggressor.
Arabs need to live with the consequences of their bellicosity, their hatred and aggression and move on with their lives. Give it up Arabs! The land belongs to the Jews in perpetuity.
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48. HOW ABOUT A PALI STATE IN THE SINAI
THEY BELONG IN GAZA - JUST STRECH THE TERRITORY ALONG THE MEDITERANIAN - THEY WILL HAVE A BETTER STATE THAN IN JUDEA AND SAMARIA
| andrew , |
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49. #32- Jerred
I don't have children. I learnt that the land was taken from the Aborigonals by the British who used it as a place to deport convicts to when i was in school. I have also learnt that Palestine was taken from the Palestinians by the British and given to the Jews.
When i have children i will teach them that everyone has the right to live in freedom and to respect others regardless of cultural background, religion, race and whatever. I will teach them that they should not steal or kill people.
My father is a Palestinian Refugee... Australia allowed his entry. I have no control over the Australian government and the refugees that are detained have entered the country illegally. There is a right way and a wrong way to enter a country.
One of the wrong way is to expell people from their homes and not allow their return. The year 1948 was not that long ago(these people are still alive)... these people who were driven out of their homes with only the clothes on their back should be entitled to the home they raised their families in and that they grew up in and that was passed down to them from generation to generation.
I don't know where you live but imagine if someone walked into your house and said "this is mine now because God said that i can have it so get out".... how would you reply to that claim?
| Larissa , |
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50. #27 - um, Larissa -- Jesus was a Jew.....
So, "based on biblical times," you scholar you, Israel would be what is is today - a Jewish counry. Thanks for making the case for zionism so eloquently.
| Andy , |
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51. Olmert is a non-starter
He, and his friends, will be gone soon making all our security conditions the priority they should have been all along! The alleged "right of return" to those that VOLUNTARILY left and their offspring, Jerusalem, and the borders are non-starters. Wake up Arabs, Meretz, Olmert, peretz, and all the other left-wing Arabs will soon be removed from the bastions of power!
| Reality Check , |
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52. To 47
The Jews lived in the Arab countries till 1948 with fully respectand there was no diffrences between them and the others Moslems and Christians whenever they had a very bad and wild treatment in the same time in Europe after 1948 we all know what happend and why ... you spoiled this relationship by your hands , your zionists were playing in the dark to destroy this nice life all together and to grow up the hate inside the Jews to force them to imegrate to Israel .... and before you ask the Arabs to learn this you should first learn how to love all kind of people not only the Jews and you have to learn too that you are not better than anyone on the earth just because you are Jews and you have to learn that there is nothing called the chosen people by God ... we are all people of God .... God is not racist he love every good one in this world .... when you can learn all of this ask the others to learn anything but start with your self .
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53. #29 Educated?
Please - do a litle research before attacking other peoples education.
First of all, the Jews fled Arab countries are not asking for a "right of return", it makes no sense. They (and the whole world) understands that 60 years later them and their families would have a difficult time fitting into the culture. It is only the Palestinian refugees that are asking for the right of return.
Do a little reading about other refugees of the world (Vietnam, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc), they do not ask for "right of return", they assimilate into the culture, they adapt.
Just why would some child that never spoke a word of Hebrew, and, in fact hates the Jews, want to live in Tel Aviv?
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54. #52 thanks for your response
I am not a racist and I do not believe most Jews are racists. I agree, there are people of God all over the earth, not just the Jews.
I do however happen to believe that people that hate the Jews are not God's people and there are many people that believe they are serving God and at the same time they hate the Jews and they want to kill us; Iran's president and Hamas' prime minister for instance.
So far as God having chosen the Jews for a mission to make our God known to all the nations of the earth, we will have to agree to disagree as I suspect we will have to agree to disagree that the Creator gave the Holy Land to the Jews in perpetuity.
So far as Jew's treatment under Islam, I do agree, by and large Jews had it better under Islam than under Christendom (all things considered) but it was not the rosy ("no difference between Jews and other Muslims") picture and treatment you are painting for me. Ask most Asian or Sephardic Jews who lived in Arab lands how they were treated by their Arab neighbors and it was not all that nice. Many hundreds of thousands were expelled from their homes in the late nineteen forties and early nineteen fifties penniless. Israel had to absorb close to one million Asian Jews who were expelled even though they were loyal citizens. Arabs expelled them with only the clothes on their back. Jews have not done to their Arab neighbor what Arab neighbors have done to the Jews. We are only defending ourselves.
I love all kinds of people and I treat everyone fairly so long as they love me in return. We have many foreign, alien peoples here in my area and they are fine neighbors. Our God told us to be kind to the stranger and the sojourner.
But we need not be kind to those who are dedicated to our annihilation as many people are in the Middle East and in Israel itself.
Why all the hatred toward us Jews? What have we done to you? Everyone seems to want to destroy the Jews; in Europe and now in the Middle East. Why?
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55. # 30
We are from yaffa, I dream to come back to yaffa and when I do I'll visit you. It won't take long. I think we will return soon and live all in one country. we won't expel them like they did to us. by the way, regarding the American talkbackers, American Jews are more extremists and racists than those living in Israel. see you home soon.
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56. #55 Palestinian Refugee
You "dream to come back to yaffa" - how old are you? What year did you leave? Do you recall your address?
| Robby , |
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57. Olmert WOULD divide Jerusalem. Vote him out of office!
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58. Dangers Lurking
Any fool NOT in a coma knows that the Saudi 'Peace' Place is really the Israeli Death Plan.
I suspect that even the deluded incompetents in the Israeli regime understand that most of the public would tar and feather them if they gave into these jihadist demands.
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59. #58: Why then do our leaders flirt with the Saudis?
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60. #13
the only place you will be returning to is your present home, kitchen and bathroom. you will never return because you have NO RIGHT TO!
you come from arabia and jotdan, not from israel.
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