Vizhnitz, Satmar, Bobov, and soon-to-be Ger, Ponevezh, and even Breslov and Lubavitch, even Sephardi Ovadiah versus Eliyahu, etc.. They're all the same. It's all a struggle for power and money of the Erev Rav/Mixed Multitude under Zionism. It's not Judaism, it's politics. These self-proclaimed "rebbes" and "leaders" of the present generation will all go the way of Korach.......

maybe this will give you loads of nachas out there in 'golooss'. Far more than our charming Ambassador Gillerman gave you, no? Hopefully the Ambassador will come home PG to Israel. You, however ARE at home, and best that you stay there. "Good Shabbos and Choidesh" Yom Atzmaut Sameach too, to all Am Yisrael everywhere.

Dovy is right on this. This is all no longer Judaism its all power play and dollars always the dollars the eigel hazahav. It is said in achariss hayamim, am yisrael even within the frum and very frum community that rev rav will rule. This is something many shomrei shabbat fnd hard to understand that even from the chassidic groups the erev rav is there and are strong. Shtreimels, bekeshes and white socks may fool other men but Hashem cant be fooled. Whilst early chassidism may have been pure in intentions, its no longer the case by and large. Its all gelt, gelt and more gelt and being "worshipped" by the sheep come followers as 'azoy heilig'. They have converted the Beis Hamikdash to theyre lifestyle and avodas Hashem to various uniforms. They have lost theyr way. Instead of bringing about geulah physically by returning to the land, working the land and ma'asit seek to bring about the re-building of the beit Hamikdash. They choose to sit on the sidelines totaly focused on gelt and dealings, whether by diamonds or property etc. etc. "Ven der Mashiach vet kummen den vir met allemen gey noch eretz yisrooel" Yea right, sure. Im being very general here and chalila not meant to malign the many honest chassidim with pure of heart.

I grew up Haredi so I know them well. Their behaviour is a disgrace to Judaism. Whether it be internally among themselves, or their behaviour towards other Jews, Israel, never mind, Gentiles, it is appalling. They are one of the reasons I no longer live in Israel.

It amazes me that religious Zionists don't realize they are the erev rav. Zionism - 19th Century Nationalism in its Jewish version - is nothing more than a European political ideology. It has nothing more to do with Torah than German nationalist love of the German "soil" did. And yet somehow the Zionist rabbis have managed to convince a whole generation of "frum" Jews that suddenly yiddishkeit is all about "returning to the land physically" and holding onto every last inch of it. To the extent that we now see rabbis who are prepared to give Jewish lives for what they have suddenly and arbitrarily "decided" is the supreme value of Torah. Suddenly it's not just idol-worship, murder and adultery. Suddenly these couple of ex-Chief Rabbis have the chutzpah to think they are Gedolim who can add to the list. It is they who have lost their way. They think they can disguise their political views as Torah. This is the true erev rav.

And anyone who is that important shouldn't even have to blink to attain status. fighting means corruption.

Shame on you YNet for putting up this article and shame on you Neta the gossipmongerer. It's time you learn a bit about the laws of Lashon Hara, a sin equally as bad as desecrating the Shabbat or eating on Yom Kippur - both of which you probably don't care about either. So shame on you!

i'm sorry but 'religious zionism' is as old as judaism. read the Torah, it is all about getting to The Land. it is more nationalistic than anything else there is out there for the last few hundred years. the most modern form of judaism is haredi-judaism. there never was such a thing. look at all the gedolim beyond the last couple of hundred years, they worked, they had secular education, they led compassionately and not just according to the letter of the law. most importantly and tellingly is the fact that not one non-ashkenazi rabbi has ever come out against zionism. most acepted it as part of what they already knew. Eretz Yisrael was always a part of their life and teachings and Hezl or others didn't add or detract from it. Even the Haredi Sephardi Rabbis are part of the zionist establishment. so i can summise that the ashkenazi reaction to zionism is purely sociological and geographical. also, the first 'modern zionist' was Rav Yehuda Alkalay, a learned rabbi who taught Herzl's grandfather who Herzl himself admitted he was greatly affected by.

The source of the Hassidic Disgrace is not in YNET, but in the actions of the Hassidic perpetrators. Were they to behave like normal, civilized and sane human beings, YNET would be unaware of their existence.

While I understand the issues faced by various religious leader and having different styles of leadership they are not for everyone at the the same time, hence the break ups. It is totally normal and you can't be happy with any leader. RL you are in golus (galut) no less than I am since establishedment of medina or since about 1956 you are more dependent on the white house than you used to be dependent on the Brits or Ottoman Turks. Atzmaut is a myth. before you nod toward hareidim clean out the knesset, hight court, army, police and unions of cancerous corruption. hatzlacha raba and chodesh tov

Its in other publications too.

as written by the Chafetz Chaim, you'll realize that even if it is 100% true, it's still PURE Lashon Hara.

in politics ,in bussnes and benifits but never in religon .. .this is the same about any stragle between brothers .. and god say may partners have struggle in inhereted properties .. but in religion must not be existed

I'm in Eretz Yisroel, you're not. Also,chareidim are very much in every government, looking out for their own interests, a very 'israeli' characteristic. No black( no pun intended) and white situation here. We're ALL grey, and ALL imperfect. but WE are HERE. That IS a difference. Your golus is far far different, no matter what self defence tactics you care to make use of. Vive la difference, too.

by reading ynet. Read the Chofets Chayim ONLY. What hypocrisy.

As I am sure you understand, I ,as a secular individual, am different from you in our respective viewpoints. Thus, the writings of the Chafetz Haim interest me as much as last year's snow. I do not understand why you bother answering me.

It is so funny that people are in such a rush to judge them. They are good honest people, but they do have people whom are rash and hot headed (like all groups). DON'T be an idiot and label them all... even though it is in style to bad mouth any thing holy!

I just started reading it and noticed the gossip and rubbish, so I immediately discontinued.

for their sins in Heaven just like religious Jews. Nothing to envy you for.

I AM 'daning you l'chaf z'chut' by wondering what a Chafetz Chayim scholar would find in common with this site. BTWThese issues are discussed in chareidi publications too. The weekly hebrew version of hamishpacha is a joy to read as they too have bravely modernized, but not at the expense of quality and modesty. The dark ages are over, and things are much more out in the open. Let's respect Yom Hashoah either by ceremonies,T'hillim or both. Same with Yom Hazikaron next week. Every murdered Shoah Victim and Soldier should have Thillim said in their memory and honour. Yechi Zichronam LiVrachah.

the $$$ Benjamins $$$, the hypocryts!.

David, although our sages were having strong feeling for return to Israel, never did they ever compromise on any 'mitzvah' or even tradition of modesty and holiness. Unlike you nationals have given up all customary jewish ethics only for the cause of settling Zion. The numberd speak for themeselves. In 1948 almost 40% of the ministarial education system was run by mizrahi. And where are all of them today? in secular schools. You guys have effectively secularised lots of the jewish nation, and you still keep your heads high. Can you explain why?

"Religious Zionism" is as old as Judaism? What nonsense. The Rabbonim have been quite clear (or perhaps you're a Karaite?): The Jewish People are in exile (spiritual as well as physical) until the coming of the Moshiach. We are forbidden to use arms to take Eretz Yisroel. It doesn't get much clearer than that, unless you're bewitched by a nationalist political ideology on the basis of which you make all kinds of distortions of Torah. Tell me, since when is holding onto every inch of Eretz Yisroel one of the things Jews believe we should give up our lives for? Since R' Eliyahu said so last year? What chutzpah! You won't hear R' Yosef trying to push that line. At least Reform Judaism doesn't pretend to be doing anything other than giving up Torah min Hashomayim. These men are much more insidious and much more dangerous, because they distort Judaism under the flag of Torah.

My challenge remains, can you tell me the name of one recognised non-Ashkenazi Rabbi who was against Zionism? If not I will have to summise that anti-Zionism by the 'Charedi' Ashkenazim is purely sociological. The Ramban rled that it is an obligation to conquer the Land of Israel in 'every' generation. Did he read the Talmud????

Masay Ofous siman L'bonim. Hashem punishes mida kanaget mida. What about all the years the two senior Rebbes (R' Mosha and Reb Mottel would not even stand in the same room, nor even agree what their mother's name was.