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Israel reached its lowest point, former minister says
Yoav Kapshuk
Published: 11.05.07, 14:42
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1. He would had done the same thing
Amir ,   Beer Sheva   (05.11.07)
This guy is even worse than Peretz. He would had voted with Olmert-Livni every time. Peretz looks good compared to this guy, and we know a lot about Peretz.
2. THATS A BIG LIE
KING OF ISRAEL   (05.11.07)
ISRAEL IS NOT AFRAID TALK ABOUT HERSELF. ISRAEL FIGTING TO ALL WORLD. ISRAEL IS TIRED SINCE HER BORN. ISRAEL IS MY LOVE ISRAEL IS ME. ISRAEL IS LOVE ISRAEL IS WORLD ISRAEL IS THE GOD (G-D) FIRST AND LAST LOVE ISRAEL IS TIRED AS ME and I am too relax now :) love Atilla Karagözoğlu King of Israel
3. Do not hurt one another's feelings, but fear your G-d; ..
KING OF ISRAEL   (05.11.07)
Do not hurt one another's feelings, but fear your G-d; for I, Hashem, am your G-d. Lev. 25:17 ****** love Atilla Karagözoğlu King of Israel
4. Israel...Israel....Israel
(05.11.07)
for myself, I am too tired. TOO TIRED. *** WE COULDNT MAKE 14-15 MILLIONS JEWS HAPPY ??? *** BRAWO WORLD. WELL DONE. Atilla Karagözoğlu
5. HASHEM !!! BRING ME SOME PLACE THAT I DONT HEAR ...
(05.11.07)
ABOUT ISRAEL'S CRY I AM TIRED. *** WHO IS WRONG ? JEWS OR STUPID WORLD OF ALL TIMES ?????????????????? ATILLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU
6. you wıll publish my all posts Ynet
(05.11.07)
thats enough. I am drunk. I am honest. and you got no choice Atilla Karagözoğlu
7. 10 minutes !!
(05.11.07)
8. hey ynet, do you think its funny not publishing my words
rashid ,   palistinian   (05.11.07)
of wisdom? i dont find it funny at all please publish what i have to say even if you dont agree with me still some poeple like to read what i have to say i am not crying but almost
9. politicians
colin   (05.11.07)
Meridor fell very short of telling the truth.Get rid of this bunch of corrupt ministers.They are there for themselves only and to hell with the nation.They wangled through connections to get a seat and now -how to look after number one only.
10. WE KNOW!!!!!
Asher ,   Yerushaliyim   (05.11.07)
Enough with the articles!!! We all know how bad the garbage stinks. The question is "HOW DO WE OR WHO WILL TAKE OUT THE GARBAGE.
11. ALL JERKS AROUND WORLD HAVE OPINIUM...
(05.11.07)
...ABOUT HOW ISRAEL IN BAD CASE. I AM NOT GONNA USE ANY DIRTY WORDS. I AM NOT. ATİLLA kARAGÖZOĞLU
12. Tali Farkash !
(05.11.07)
I am not Jerk. I just liked your face, thats all. I dont know you, You dont know me. What Hashem does ? Lets see him ! with my greatest respect Atilla Karagözoğlu
13. a story (part one)
(05.11.07)
In his new book, Am Yisrael Chai [Hebrew, published by Todah Tzahal], Reserve Major Moshe Kenan relates a story that gives us a glimpse behind the scenes of the Jewish army at war last summer. Near the end of the war, in a particularly fierce battle three kilometers into Lebanon, four Israeli soldiers were killed and over 30 wounded. Major Moshe Kenan was the leader of the paratrooper rescue squad that brought the dead and injured and some of the materiel back into Israel. When the operation was over, they realized that they had left behind one dead soldier. It was Sunday. They had been notified that a ceasefire with Hizbullah would go into effect at 8 AM Monday. They had scarcely 18 hours left to go back into the war zone and retrieve their fallen comrade, as well as the considerable arms and munitions left behind. As Moshe writes: In the platoon, opinions were divided. Some of the officers held that there was no reason to go back in. Hizbullah was just waiting for the rescue force to return and would fire on it. It was not worth jeopardizing the lives of other soldiers to rescue the material and one dead soldier. But the majority favored the opinion that they had to go back in, no matter what the cost, so that the body wouldn't be captured and the material wouldn't fall into the hands of Hizbullah. In the evening, the decision was made: We're going back in. Shlomi, the assistant platoon commander, was skeptical about the operation, but Moshe forged ahead with the preparations. He requisitioned and received special night vision equipment, sappers trained to defuse landmines, and a hunting dog to sniff out the body easily and quickly, since they would be under Hizbullah fire throughout the mission. Late that night, just before setting out, Moshe gathered his soldiers for a briefing. He explained the goal of the operation-to bring back the dead soldier for proper Jewish burial. "About the importance of the operation, there was no need to speak," Moshe recalls. "I could see in the eyes of the pure soldiers the spark of faith." He concluded the briefing: "We're going in to bring our comrade to Jewish burial. His pure and eternal soul sees and knows your mesirat nefesh (self-sacrifice). We, the nation of Israel, are not afraid of Hizbullah. They are exactly like Amalek, who fought with the Israelites after the Exodus from Egypt."
14. a story (part two)
(05.11.07)
Moshe went on to tell how Moses had led the Israelite army to victory. He sat on hill in the battlefield, and when he lifted his hands heavenward, Israel prevailed. When he dropped his hands down, the enemy prevailed. A skeptic in the platoon asked how Moses' hands could determine the outcome of the battle. Moshe answered that Moses had pointed out to the soldiers, "Look upward to God! The physical battle is important, but in order to win the battle one needs to subjugate the heart to our Father in Heaven. When Israel looked up and subjugated their hearts to God, they won. With God's help, we will go out and we will win." As they started to move out, they were notified that Hizbullah had been identified in the precise area they were going, and therefore they could not take the dog. A single bark would reveal their whereabouts. At the border fence, Moshe blessed his soldiers with the Priestly blessing from the Torah. I am not a kohen, but I felt such strong love for these soldiers. I really felt as though I were blessing my sons on Shabbat night. I did not think about my family. It's forbidden in war to think about one's family. To me, the soldiers were my children. Then I took a minute to raise my eyes to Heaven and prayed from the depths of my heart, "Master of the Universe, please prove to all the soldiers of the platoon that you love us. Thank you." As soon as he took his first steps into Lebanese territory, Moshe saw out of the corner of his eye something run across his path. It was a small, gray cat. The cat hovered close to his boots, despite Moshe's attempts to shoo it away. As the platoon marched deeper into Lebanon, the cat accompanied them. After an hour of movement, their scout noticed two shadowy figures to the east. The platoon hit the ground and pointed their weapons toward the terrorists. Moshe was about to open fire when the cat jumped next to him and brushed him with its tail. Startled, Moshe lost his concentration. By the time he regained it moments later and again prepared to fire, the two shadowy figures were identified as Israeli soldiers. The cat accompanied them the entire three kilometers to their destination, the hill where the soldier's body lay somewhere in the darkness. Hizbullah fire rained down on the whole area. "We recognized the smell of war on the hill, and from afar we saw the missiles we had left in the area, shining from the dew and the light of the moon." Shlomi, the assistant platoon commander, sent forces to retrieve the material. Then he called to Moshe's rescue force to quickly ascend the hill and find the body. Just then, a Hizbullah missile landed next to the hill. Stalwartly, Moshe's forces made a horizontal line and, treading carefully, started to comb the area. At one point the soldier on the right of the line said, "Look at this!" They stopped and saw that the cat stood next to an Israeli helmet. Moshe whispered, "Apparently, this is exactly where he fell." They began to search the ground with their hands, but all they found were grenades and shrapnel from the battle. Then Moshe noticed the cat.
15. a story (last part)
(05.11.07)
"Suddenly, from a distance of three meters, we saw the cat trying to drag something. We advanced and saw that the cat stood on the soldier we were searching for." They removed the body to the bottom of the hill and headed south. During the withdrawal, Moshe radioed his unit: "There's a small cat with us who helped us find exactly what we were looking for. Don't chase it away." When Moshe glanced behind him, the cat had disappeared. On the way back to the border, one of the officers fell in next to Moshe and whispered to him, "Did you see? The army couldn't help us with a hunting dog, so God sent us a hunting cat." Fortunate is the army of Israel, that their mesirat nefesh draws down miracles from God. Mesirat nefesh – wholehearted devotion A true miracle!! ***** Atilla Karagözoğlu I have just recieved the story from a good friend of my. I cant read and understand english that good. I am sure She send me a great story. I got to go english course
16. a story (last part)
(05.11.07)
"Suddenly, from a distance of three meters, we saw the cat trying to drag something. We advanced and saw that the cat stood on the soldier we were searching for." They removed the body to the bottom of the hill and headed south. During the withdrawal, Moshe radioed his unit: "There's a small cat with us who helped us find exactly what we were looking for. Don't chase it away." When Moshe glanced behind him, the cat had disappeared. On the way back to the border, one of the officers fell in next to Moshe and whispered to him, "Did you see? The army couldn't help us with a hunting dog, so God sent us a hunting cat." Fortunate is the army of Israel, that their mesirat nefesh draws down miracles from God. Mesirat nefesh – wholehearted devotion A true miracle!! ***** Atilla Karagözoğlu I have just recieved the story from a good friend of my. I cant read and understand english that good. I am sure She send me a great story. I got to go english course
17. Ynet, publish Tali's post I am ready to say GOOD NIGHT :)
(05.11.07)
I love you. Atilla karagözoğlu
18. I want MY TALI post and I leave
(05.11.07)
Atilla
19. 15 Minutes :) I love you Ynet
(05.11.07)
Just The Tali Post. You take care of all world. I got my own business :) did I said I love you NYYNET. let me go home. Tali post, dont forget atilla
20. Atilla Karagözoğlu
yuara ,   flip   (05.11.07)
go and have a nice rest, and a cup of tea.
21. He's right!
Orli ,   Ramat Gan   (05.11.07)
Dan Meridor is right on the money. There have to be some standards that ministers follow.
22. Israel is dying
John ,   London,UK   (05.11.07)
Meridor is right in saying that during the war with Hezbollah, not only Israel was defeated militarily, but Israeli morals and social institutions were like zombies. He is declaring that Israel died in its conflict with Hezbollah. Our political leaders were incompetent and our military officers were a complete failure too. Israel needs a brave new leader if it is to survive. It must get rid of wek pathetic politicians who have done nothing except brought shame on Israel and internationally disgraced the Israeli armed forces. Israel needs a complete change from top to bottom.
23. MERIDOR IS NOT AN EXPERT IN THE DEFENSE FIELD
(05.11.07)
24. Too bad politics stays in the families.
jason white ,   afula,israel   (05.11.07)
We have old party hacks retiring and their spawn fill their places. We should have a law that for three generations after a politician is elected his family cannot have anything to do with politics.
25. Israel today
Yisraeli   (05.12.07)
from arutz 7, you wont find it here on Ynet. Mother of six and expelled northern Shomron resident Miriam Adler has been sentenced to three months in jail or its equivalent in public service. Her crime: Attacking a policeman during a Disengagement-related protest. The incident occurred shortly before the Disengagement in August 2005, when police came to arrest her and her husband for their vocal and active opposition to the expulsion. As she told Arutz-7 last year: We lived [in 2005-6] in Sa-Nur, one of the four Shomron communities destroyed in the Disengagement. My husband and I were both placed in jail, in administrative detention, for the two critical weeks of the expulsion, so that our children had to go through it without us. When they arrested me, it was very violent; the police charged me with violence, and I charged them with the same. My complaint was of course ignored, but their charges that I had attacked a policeman were taken very seriously. They called me in several times and I didn't show up. Finally, [in August 2006], instead of conducting the hearings without me, as they often do in these cases, the judge decided to order my arrest. The police came with a very large force to our home in Tal Menashe, and it took them five hours to get past all the protestors and finally arrest me. I was in jail overnight, and then in the morning they threatened me that I would sit in prison until the end of the proceedings against me. I admitted defeat - I have children at home, and I couldn't allow myself to remain in prison; I was even afraid that they would take my baby away from me - and so I agreed to their conditions. Miriam, who grew up with her refusenik-parents and two younger siblings in a one-room apartment in Moscow, showed up at future hearings, but did not participate, explaining that she refuses to recognize the justice system. "Behind this seemingly fragile person hides a violent, aggressive and dangerous personality," Judge Clara Rejenino ruled Thursday. "She does not regret her crimes and she plans to commit them again... The public welfare demands that she be sent to jail, and she must be taught a lesson... " However, the judge continued, because the defendant has six children, she said that Miriam may perform public service works instead, in addition to an 11-month probationary sentence, as well as what Miriam called the "most maddening of all," a 1,000-shekel compensation to be paid to the policeman. Miriam said this week that her complaint of the policeman's violence against her was not investigated at all, "while their indictment against me is purposely designed to destroy any spark of opposition and resistance to the regime's actions... I was convicted, of course, and the Prosecution asked for a stiff sentence in order to educate me for my lack of surrender and cooperation with the courts and police." Miriam said she hopes her struggle will help others who are in the same position: "If many people join, we can beat the current law system. It could be that individuals will have to pay a price along the way, but that's how it is in war - and this is war." "True, this State was to be the beginning of our Redemption," she told Arutz-7 last year, "but I'm not so sure anymore. In any event, I care about it and about our People too much to merely go along with them, as if this were some foreign country. This country is mine, and I feel a responsibility to the People of Israel, and I hope that my gestures will be a step along the right path."
26. ministers
sas ,   israel   (05.12.07)
THEY SHOULD ALL GO HOME - SOME BEHIND BARS - and THE QUICKER THE BETTER FOR EVERONE
27. israel has reached its lowest point
sas ,   israel   (05.12.07)
i think that we are even lower. it is very scary, sad and frightening.
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