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Israel must reject Darfur refugees, rabbi says
Neta Sela
Published: 17.05.07, 07:39
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61. wow
zack ,   jerusalem,il   (05.17.07)
the refugees are not going to turn on us if we open up Israels doors to them (the humane, and JEWISH thing to to do) They left Sudan because they were being killed by Muslims in the thousands!
62. TOSS EM - THEY WILL ONLY BE A BURDEN - AND ADD NOTHING
Andrew ,   Miami,FL   (05.17.07)
63. mandi , israel
hannah ,   us   (05.17.07)
Are you a fool???? These refugies are NOT muslims, that is why they are refugies!!!! Torah tells us to help the poor, orphans, and widows; I don't see anything mentioned they have to be jews!
64. The Mandis of this World
Rustum ,   London, UK   (05.17.07)
A self-proclaiming anti-goy bigot who has no shame writing her ignorance for all the world to read. "Why must we have Muslims in our country..." Well, dear Mandi - because they were born there, because they own property there, because until 1948 they had a settled life and a civil society until the great naqba when the army of the yishuv went on an all out effort to expel as many as possible and to grab their farmland and properties. Your nonsensical question "haven't you learnt anything after 2000 years of exile" is a total nonsequitor. The underlying tone of supremacism, of anti-goy hatred and the total lack of humanity in your sentiments might go some way to answering your own pathetic question.
65. To hannah, most probably muslims
jasmin   (05.17.07)
how do u know they are not muslims? for your info, most darfur pple are muslims, with only a christian minority
66. #29 Indeed
Daniel van Dalen ,   Jerusalem   (05.17.07)
Please do realize that this figure does not represent Chareidi (ultra-Orthodox) Jews. He dresses like that, but nobody else where he lives does. Don't let the dress fool you. Normal chareidim have always rejected this guy and his ideology and continue to do so.
67. Refugees
Thomas ,   Cleveland USA   (05.17.07)
The good Rabbi seems to forget that there are 800+ Muslims serving in the IDF. Granted, that isn't many, but that says something. Don't judge a book by it's cover. On a case-by-case basis, decide which ones should be allowed to stay and which ones should leave. Most of the refugees are Christian, not Muslim and are not violent. Sending them back to Sudan would be the equivelent of sending Jews back to NAzi Germany in the 40s.
68. Rabbi Lior
Henry Weil ,   Jerusalem   (05.17.07)
Rabbi Lior's comments are any additonal proof if needed of his extreme views as well as those of his constituents, Thank G-D they don't represent a majority of sane modern orthodox Jews,
69. the most nonsense thing i ever heard
toni ,   us   (05.17.07)
why not to expel all jew people from all other countries? let the rabbi answer that
70. Jasmin
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.17.07)
and it is this christian minority who is murdered , and flee .
71. israel should rejects refugees
J. B. ,   israel   (05.17.07)
Rabbis have short memories ,a lot of them were quite happy to go to Britain ,the U,S.A. ect... during the 2 world war to esxape the Halocaust,what good for the gander should be good for the goose
72. to charles No 70 what ignorance!!
jasmin   (05.17.07)
you proved to be so ignorant!!whats going on in Drafur now has nothing to do with religions! unlike the second sudanese civil war which was idiological. it is a fight for land. victims are muslims!!
73. He speaks only for his own group - the settlers
Karen R ,   USA   (05.17.07)
A rabbi from Kiryat Arba gets quoted without his town being mentioned? This guy speaks for nobody outside the Kach / Chevron crazies group. We don't need to know what a gun-toting minority-faction rabbi says. What do the Gedolim of Shas, NRP, etc, say? They're the ones that count in the countlry. This gentleman does _not_ speak for the majority of Orthodox in Israel or elsewhere.
74. #68 this guy *is* modern-orthodox
Daniel van Dalen ,   Jerusalem   (05.17.07)
Hate to wake you up from your dream, Henry, but this guy is in fact modern-Orthodox. Well, you might describe him as "Chardal", one of the M-O guys who wanted to be more religious and put on a black jacket and a hat. None of his followers do so, and none of the other people in Kiryat Arba do so. Then again, I guess this talkback will also be censored by Ynet, just as my previous one in which I pointed out that this guy is not Chareidi.
75. rabbi Dov Lior
canada   (05.17.07)
the Rabbi is not dumb ,he lives in a democratic an freedom loving country . his voice should be heard. respect your rabbi. it takes guts,bowels of guts, to speak out like the rabbi has. it's his perfect right to voice his opinion ,so let him speak!!
76. dear rustam-i dont care what you think.jews have a differen
mandi ,   israel   (05.17.07)
mission. believe me that i will not help you no matter what. you are classified as the enemy of israel. it seems like you are trying so hard to understand how jews think and operate. jews shouldnt care what the world think. they should be proud and do the work of god. idiots like you who try to convince them that they are like any other nation, in order to make them weak, will not succeed. as an african you should help your brothers before pointing fingers at jews.
77. Considering what Jews have been through...
Jeff ,   Tel Aviv   (05.18.07)
... this is highly ironic.
78. Israel should reject Darfur refugees
Lina Landau ,   Mexico City   (05.18.07)
It is most interesting that rabi Dov Lior uses the same expresion that the egiptian Pharo who enslaved the jews used some 2500 years ago. Exodus 1:10. Its amazing how fear of the other and lack of rachmanut trancends time. Its the never ending story.
79. Israel needs more diversity, bring them in!
Joe C. ,   Los Angeles, CA   (05.18.07)
80. dov lior = armilus!
Oholiav   (05.18.07)
Lenny No.5 asks a Good Question 5. Is this rabbi really a Jew? (End) i don't think he is lenny, not him not chabad that he was born into. in their jargon, they would be called armilus. (satan disguised as a jew).
81. #63, hannah, they are Muslims --just not Arabs
AK   (05.18.07)
The war with the Christians in the South has ended, at least for now.
82. Rustum, why should israel accept any muslims?
unti-Rustum   (05.18.07)
don't you think those pictures from your demonstrations with 'kill the jews' and 'death to israel' signs are unknown only because the bbc doesn't show them?
83. #69 toni, it has been done, and not so long ago.
AK   (05.18.07)
84. Jasmin , not ignorance , not updated !
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.18.07)
Generally i do not have to do research on most of the themes in discussion . I know it . For Darfur i was'nt "updated" , and still with this idea of Christian victims . Christians or not , those people are refugees , and we have to accept them .
85. Mandi
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.18.07)
Don't forget one thing : Jews were also refugees , they were rejected and because of this , many ended at Auschwitz [ also the work of god ? ] We have'nt to care what other people think , but we can be proud if we , a small country , can give asylum to refugees , Muslims , Christians or others . Human beeings who need some help .
86. opinion
Yossef ,   Israel   (05.18.07)
absolutely right kol hakavod to rav lior
87. If Rabbi is right
john ,   nz   (05.18.07)
Israel would have enemies, North, South, East, West and within. I am not being racist, but statistics have shown African more likely to become Muslims than Christians. They want to migrate to Israel becos of hardship and better living conditions in Israel. Once they are in, their behaviour is anybody's guess.
88. Refugees
Li ,   Israel   (05.18.07)
If the shoe was on the other foot & you were running for your life wouldn't you want to be taken in? Our people have been in the very same position & yet we are now going to turn our back on these poor people who are being destroyed? I truly believe that it is our responibility to take them in & I would be happy todonate food & clothes & money to them even tho we do not have so much stuff ourselves. We CAN make the difference & it is these actions that will help relations & these refugees will not turn on us as we took them in. This is a good deed that will not be forgotten. The not on my doorstep attitude must end & I cannot fathom that a rabbi is saying these things instead of consulting the Torah first to see what we should do. We all know what must be done so why don't we just get on a do it?!
89. Darfur Muslims
Dave ,   Australia   (05.18.07)
The Christian/Animist/Muslim war ended. This massacre going on now is by muslims on muslims. The ones in Darfur who are being killed are african muslims who had converted to Islam, but they are not Arabs, therefore they are second class muslims in the eyes of Arabs. Don't tell me all are equal in Islam for they are not, Arabic has to have the upper hand, that is why they are mad at Iran, Iran cannot not be allowed to be top dog as they are persian. These refugees should be given temporary residence until the situation in their homeland is solved. We did that for refugees from the Balkans and they went home with no problems when time came for them to do so. They were grateful for our care. Do the same for these refugees and be cheeky enough to ask the help of the UN to feed and cloth them, if they were sent back to camps then the UN would have to do so, better for their health etc, to have them in a country rather than a camp. But always be aware, innocent refugees may have hangers on that are not innocent and are plants for future nefarious reasons. Keep your eye on them, true refugees will be grateful for what ever you do for them.
90. charles
mandi ,   israel   (05.18.07)
enemy state is an enemy state! we shouldnt pity them at all never. we can help our friends the americans if the need us anytime. the problem with those people is that later 20 30 yrs they will find more comonality with arabs and forget what we did. we have to think of the future. the future belongs to the jews.
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