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The Blue Bird legend
Reuven Weiss
Published: 29.05.07, 10:29
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1. Not Even Dual Loyalty
Muhib Sharma ,   KL, Malaysia   (05.29.07)
Re-read the following lines carefully: "In Iraq, the organization had a contact, Yosef Shemesh, a Jewish businessman who worked as a Mossad collaborator and who was involved in an intimate relationship with the sister-in-law of Redfa, an Iraqi Air Force pilot. " Lesson yet again: beware when you have a Jewish citizen among you. They are not even of dual loyalty. It's always Israel first. Don't say I didn't tell ya.
2. Israel needs the old style of intellegence 'genius' today!
shma yisrael ,   adonai eloheinu . .   (05.29.07)
3. Oh that's just way to cool MAN!!!!
Talula ,   Israel   (05.29.07)
Why can't we do things like this anymore? Seems the older Israel had the balls to do these things. I'm in absolute awe of these people.
4. mig 21
bernardbuzby ,   raanana   (05.29.07)
could you imagine such bold actions being taken today? The plane would have been returned immediately to syria , with aplogies a letter of regret to russia and those involved having been demotted or worse. What a useless bunch we have in the government-and knesset- today
5. To Muhib from Malaysia: What about Islamic "loyalty"?
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (05.29.07)
Muhib, don't play ignorance when smearing Jewish loyalties to the countries they were born in. Jews have contributed to their countries for longer and in far more aspects than ANY muslim. Now let's take a deeper look at how "loyal" Muslims are. First, Iraq was not a really "friendly" country to Jews at the time. It was not friendly even to its OWN people - Kurds and Shiites so you cannot expect any kind of loyalty from its oppressed (and gased and murdered) citizens. This of course is in contrast to the almost fanatical DISLOYALTY of some of the muslim citizens of the West where they flurish protected by democracy and "human rights" Liberal imbeciles, while looking for every opportunity to betray and bite the hand that feeds them. The Mulsim's loyalty is first to the Koran and then to their fellow Muslims. The rest are considered inferior and fair game for every type of deception, lies, betrial, murder, rape etc. as it is warranted by the Koran and their crazed preacehers in every Friday sermon in mosques worldwide. So don't preach to us about "dual loyalty" or other values while your own co-religionists betray their countries at the first call from a mosque or Al Qaeda tape. First lead by example and only then expect others to listen to your lectures. But thank you for raising this issue and allowing me to unmask yet again the disinformation that people like you try to seed in these (and other) forums.
6. Israel's contributions to the U.S.
NYC Girl   (05.29.07)
This should be a wake-up call to those cretinous Americans who think the relationship with Israel is a one way street where we give the money out and get nothing in return. The U.S. defense establishment has saved incalculable amounts of money in research and development costs due to Israel's capture not only of Russian MIGs, but also of one of the most sophisticated Russian-made tanks that we probably never could have gotten our hands on if not for the Israelis turning it over to us.
7. so so
(05.29.07)
Without spying and cheating you could not win , how much you payed to this pilot to to fly to Israel , but in Yom Kipur's war the same Mig 21 and the Mig 23 bombarded your troops behind the Parlev line and your flights were falling like flies by the Sam 6 rockets and your Panzers were burning by dozens and it's crew's were serundering (Asaf Yagoury ) and his group , you made the same mistake the Egyptians did in 1967 which is you was too sure of your self and not ready like Naser did .
8. #1 Muhib
Nice guy ,   Bolton   (05.29.07)
Not to metion the loyalty of the Christian Iraqi pilot. So perhaps you should extend your statement to include Christians living in Muslim countries.
9. To NYC Girl: not to mention the military and politcal gains
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (05.29.07)
Supporting Israel is advantageous for US in other aspects as well - more than money and enemy weaponry knowledge: Israel has been a "playground" for US weapons in real combat. The knowledge, experience and feedback that US gets from the use of US weapons in the ME conflicts has saved not only money but also the lives of countless US soldiers and citizens, in their struggle for US interests worldwide. Israel has been a flag of democracy in the region and served the mutual aims for freedom, peace and stability in the region - facing relentless attacks by Muslim nations supported in the past by Soviet Union and today by Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Sudan. US is getting "back" a lot for its CONDITIONAL support of Israel. Although the simpathy to Israel is rooted deep in the Christian Americans' spirit, in many instances even more than in its Jewish electorate, let's not fantasize that this support is unconditional. Yes, it has endured a lot of pains and downs but whenever US's interests collided with Israel's (like with Israel's ties with China), US had the upper hand. Of course, this is not always reciprocated like in the case of US's ties with the Palestinians and with other of Israel's enemy entities. If we are focusing on the US-Israel relationship we can say that we are thankful for it but not nearly as naive as to believe that it is based on "love" only. This relationship is not always "win-win", and when it is not, Israel is always on the "lose" side. And we will continue to bend over to US dictates in return for some "guarantees" for our continued exsistence in our own country.
10. #1 Islamic oppression will do that
Yosef ,   USA   (05.29.07)
to a person. "Redfa was frustrated by his failure to get a promotion in the Iraqi army due to his Christian origin"
11. #7
(05.29.07)
First of all, it's "Bar Lev" not "Parlev" but, then, I've heard that Arabs don't pronounce the letter "B." Secondly, Israeli tanks are not Panzers, those were the WW II German tanks, for heaven's sake. The name of the Israeli tank is Merkava, which begs the question as to whether the remainder of your talkback is as well-researched.
12. The migs were shot down because pilots were incompetent
zico ,   Brazil   (05.29.07)
The mig 21s were shot down because the pilots were incompetent. The captured mig might have helped a bit but considering the arab pilots were poorly trained, they were easy target by any trained pilots
13. To #7...SO SO>>> RE
AlbertoGA ,   Houston, USA   (05.29.07)
Yes my dear Friend we gave the brave pilot a nice "KOSHER" diner after he landed in Israel with his MIG. We know how to welcome brave people in Israel. Are you jealous by any chance ? Shalom
14. To # 7
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.29.07)
But who finally won ? who finally crossed the Suez canal ? Who finally had ten times more POW in their hands ? And loosing planes , try to find out the correct numbers . On the other side , who treaterously attacked on the Holiest Jewish day ? You have to know that sometimes information is received without money , there are people who hate their dictators , and will do everything they can to harm him .
15. 2, and 3... we'll always do cool things
Gabi ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (05.29.07)
and we still do... we'll only hear about them in the future.
16. #7 what matters
samuel ,   ben ari   (05.29.07)
is where israel is at today, and where you're at today ... you are in your shame corner, even shaming yourself to put your name tag on your message and we are the most developed, blooming and booming country in every aspect possible. what happened, happened. but your envyousness shows how fragile your are that you need to show up in an israeli forum to bash jews ... do us a favor and crawl back to your shame corner and stay there for eternity, loser.
17. Fighter jets
Mikulas ,   Bratislava, Slovakia   (05.29.07)
However, the Egyptian bases were attacked with the Mirage jets, built from DASSAULT aeroplanes, the new name of BLOCH aeroplanes after the war (after Jew Marcel Bloch changed his name to Marcel DASSAULT). The 1967 war was abig promotion for Mirage planes.
18. To #17, Jewish French Fighter Jets
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (05.29.07)
Thanks for the info Mikulas :-). If this is true, then it's another proof of Jewish "dual loyalty" - the (anti-Israel) French Airforce backbone built by a Jew... nice My, my... Muhib, next time when you have a Jewish neighbor beware and keep your distance - he may be one of your country's most valued scientist or industrialist...
19. #7 - YEAH YEAH YEAH - BLAH BLAH BLAH
Proud Israeli ,   Israel   (05.29.07)
History says that Israel won. Doesn't matter how, we won.
20. to 11
(05.29.07)
Thanks for the ironic correction but wrong spelling will not change the facts and by the way there is no diffrences between the German Panzers and the Israeli tanks both have been used for the same goals ..... to invade another countries .... smile
21. to 13
(05.29.07)
That's why he had pain in the stomech after ....looool ... seams you don't know that the Jewish people never feed anyone free of charge they even don't like to sh.... that they don't get hungry soon ....looool
22. Dassault
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.29.07)
Bloch converted to Christianity , and then also changed his name to Dassault
23. to 14
(05.29.07)
Go back to Henery Kisenger diary to know how Golda Mair was screaming in the tel. calling for fast help from your mami America because as she said the egyptians are near to Tel Aviv and in 24 hours your mami made a space bridge sending all what they have from best weapons and soldiers to protect you from the egyptians , and Sadat said that time we stop because we can not fight against America bur not because of you , the Genral Shazli , was ready to sacrfise the serounded Egyptian troops and to destroy the Israelians too but Sadat refused this too because he was a humanbeen not a slauter like your Generals (Sharon and co.) .... ask the mothers and wives of the Israelian victims how was these days for them .... till now when you feel that Egypt is angry you send fast one of your moderator to make interviw with Mobarak and to ask with shaking voice .... Mr. President ... is Egypt able and ready for more wars with Israel .... come on guys ... thank your mami Ameica because without it you would behind the moon since along time .
24. to 18
(05.29.07)
And was Mr. Pollard one of your loyality too ?? ...lol .... or one of your unfaithful black points for the hands which feeded you and made you existing till now .... the evel inside you has no limit ... and don't worry the distence between us is very big even if you are one cm away .
25. to 19
(05.29.07)
WON ?????? are you dreaming ... seams you are too young ask any of your seniors about how was it that time .... you call the falling of your best and strongest defence line in the history on the hands of the Egyptians ...WON .....looool ... get real my boy .
26. #20, the great historian
israeli ,   israel   (05.29.07)
what was the name of the Syrian tanks that invaded Israel on Yom Kippur?
27. To: 24 - No arguments left for analphabet racists
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (05.29.07)
How can one argue with analphabet racists who on top of their imbecile remarks, also have enough time to spill dirt in Jewish forums. I wonder if there is not enough place in their own forums? But then they may have much trouble spelling their own user names and passwords to gain acess. What a pityful racist band.
28. Bloch(Dassault)was in ConcCamp in War. All top F planesB4
Alan ,   SA   (05.29.07)
and after War were Bloch. Most modern bomber in Europe before ww2 was his.After war were Mirages and others Mikulas you are 100% correct with your Post. People dont know this .
29. to 19 ... Enjoy it
(05.29.07)
http://www.isracast.com/yk/stage.swf
30. Funny how they fume and drool...
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (05.29.07)
It is really funny to see the racists and anti-semites frequenting our forums and fuming over any achievement we have, trying to smear and distort it. Judging by their rabid reaction it seems that we hit a nerve. Well, good for them! They are envious, they are angry and they are barking. Sorry to disappoint you guys - today it is a bit more difficult to "kill the Jew" than it was in the past. How does that feel? Aren't you considering already to go out and blow yourself to pieces? I am sure you would like that very much, but sorry to say that there is nothing waiting for you on the other side. Well, maybe except for some others like yourself who have discovered that there are no virgins in the Muslim heaven - only a sad bunch of racists.
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