1. This is even worse: an excerpt of his interview
Tell the Patriarch that he is wrong and that anyone with views like his shouldn't be a Patriarch!
Here is an excerpt of his interview:
Interviewer: The Vatican offered a kind of apology to contemporary Jews, and exonerated them from spilling the blood of Christ. But the Coptic Church insisted on a position that dissented from that of the Vatican...
It is an apology for describing the Jews as the killers of Christ...
Patriarch Shinoda III: The New Testament says that they are. Is the Vatican against the teachings of the New Testament?
I have prevented the Copts from visiting Jerusalem because of my faith and for [various] reasons, and I don't care about the consequences. First of all, many Copts want to visit Jerusalem. If I permitted this, dozens of thousands would go.
Interviewer: They yearn to go to Jerusalem.
Patriarch Shinoda III: If dozens of thousands go to Israel, they will be influenced by the Israeli media, and we will not be able to prevent this. Who knows what ideas they will return with? That's one thing. In addition, this will revive Israel in terms of economy and propaganda. Israel will be the one to benefit from this, not them.
| enzo , |
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2. I am so sick of it!
Why do Christians of whatever ilk "blame" Jews for killing Jesus? Technically, the Romans, after they had convicted him, could have gotten some Visigoth, Gaul or a Pict to do the crucifying, but why would they have? Jesus' ideas might have been novel and not very threatening in and of themselves, but that's not how his disciples interpreted them and thus created the political problem between the Romans and the Jews for the stirring up of which he was convicted. On the other hand, isn't it the cornerstone of the Christian religion that Jesus died for somebody's sins? Well, maybe if they hadn't been or weren't such horrible sinners, Jesus would have lived to a ripe old age. So, which way are we going to play this game? If, as you Christians believe, Jesus was nailed to that cross to wash away your sins, then for crying out loud, stop blaming the Jews or anybody else, but blame all that sinning of yours and be thankful that your butts, again according to your belief, won't fry in hell for all eternity.
If somebody breaks my windshield to save my rear end from being roasted in a burning car, wouldn't it be downright idiotic for me and my generations to curse and blame him and his generations for breaking that windshield, especially, when I was the retard lighting a cigarette with that open container of gasoline on the passenger seat?????
That "heads, I win; tails, you lose" is great, if you can still find somebody to fall for it.
| M. Hartley , |
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3. Enzo, thanks for the excerpt
Patriarch Shinoda III: Who knows what ideas they will return with?
The truth, maybe? God forbid!
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4. Xtian and Arabs Muslim
teach the same hatred through out ages and they still continue now days. Anti- semetic TEACHINGS in the NT and QURAN & Hadis too !
| ben , |
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5. Egyptian Copts not antisemitic as Lebanese Christians
I saw the interview on MEMRITV.COM I lived in Egypt and in general the Copts were not as antisemitic as the Lebanese / Syrian Christians who were the worst.
| semsem , |
New York, USA |
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6. Christian teachings
The Coptic leader is a dummy who has never actually read the New Testament or has no understanding of it.
Somehow the Coptic leader misses the part about Jesus being the Paschal Lamb. Now what is supposed to happen to the Paschal Lamb! The reference to Jesus as the "Paschal Lamb" can only mean one thing - Jesus is supposed to die. Can it really mean anything else? The New Testament also states unequivocably that Jesus is dying in the place of all sinners! And that God loved mankind so much that he gave his only son. So Jesus' death has a purpose and is effectively the sacrifice of the Paschal Lamb according to the New Testament authors.
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7. Duh !
It's rife EVERYWHERE ! Jew-hatred is not news. If you find its absence somewhere, THEN it becomes news.
| leon , |
Grand Rapids USA |
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8. Fact and fiction
If I'm not mistaken, the "history" presented in the New Testament (which is, of course, largely myth) claims that Christ was executed by the imperial Roman rulers at the instigation of indigenous religious authorities, presumably Jews.
This is in itself not necessarily an anti-Semitic claim. It may be taken as historical fact, or it may reflect a propagandistic bias on the part of the early Christian writers. Anti-Semitism was introduced when the Roman Catholic church subsequently spread the blame to all Jews for all time. Now we learn that some Coptic Christians share the same benighted view.
I shall remain a benevolent and bemused atheist, thank you.
| Negru Voda , |
Transilvania |
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9. They are not real real Christian but heretics!
Real Christians love Israel and the Jews because our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was born a Jew, just like all the main people in the Bible.
Real Christians will always support Israel and the Jewish people.
| Real Christian , |
Canada |
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10. Look at the Evil in Bishara the christian
Look at Bishara. While christians continue to be persecuted in the west bank(even Bethlehem), this idiot decides he is more Palestinian than the muslims. Everyone seems to forget that Jesus was Jewish. So by attacking the Jews, they attack the Lord of there religion. Also they fail to see any spirituality in there religion. Does it not say in the New Testament, " Love thy enemy" , and, " I shall bless those who bless Jerusalem "
| Michael Ben Raphael , |
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11. Xtians, If your Jesus is here today.....
he would TELL you xtians .....
I dont know you ! I never taught you any teaching to kill my People the Jews.
It is not what you eat that makes you dirty but that which comes out of your mouth.....you see xtians you'll been teaching..hatred for ages and everthing you'll taught was / is dirty by the book called the NT . PERIOD !
Now cross over this side, we have the Torah, the water ! The Lord G-d of Yisrael has always been the Lrd G-d of Salvation. Praise be to Hashem : - )
| ben , |
singapore |
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12. yeah, this is news!
so whats new about this? another category of people who hate jews. woooohoooo big deal. hate is all over, deal with it!
| lucy , |
tampa FL |
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13. WHO IS ABE FOXMAN, WHAT DOS HE DO, HOW MUCH SALARY?
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14. Its about time but don't forget the Greek Ortodox
Finally someone with some Juice points out what has been going on way too long !! Lets not forget about the Greek Orthodox and their blind support/bias on the side of the Pals in Jerusalem. They have been corrupt since day 1 but they are
X-tians so no one rides their A$$es to shape up.
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15. Jesus taught love
The message jesus gives is that 'love is the laws fulfillment.' In fact every one who loves is from God and he who does not love his brother whom he can see, doesn't love God whom he can't see. This has always been the standard for a christian. The fact is we don't know how to love properly and that is what discipleship to christ is all about. Its the forgiveness of our sins and the Holy Spirit writing Gods law in our hearts and minds and setting us free from the false teachings of false prophets. If the religious leadership, in Jesus day in the flesh, has taught us anything , it is how man can masquerade as 'religious' whilst hiding deepseated hatred for an individual within them. jesus exposed religious hypocrisy, and it can apply right across the board to people every where in all religious authority.
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16. Another example of dhimmitude
The difference between the Catholic & Coptic churches is that the Pope isn't at risk for being jailed and tortured by Italian leaders. Copts have complained repeated to the UN about Egypt's bias and often about the involvement of their clergy, who help the Muslims in order to hold onto their power.
Read Bat Ye'or's "Islam and Dhimmitude" to better understand just why the patriarch is so screwed up.
| David , |
Rehovot |
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17. Antisemites
Antisemites are NOT Christians.
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18. Copts and Moslems
The funny part is that periodically the copts are subjected to pogroms by their moslem "brothers" in Egypt. Christians in Israel on the other hand enjoy complete freedom of religion.
| Israeli Israeli , |
Haifa |
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19. Misleading Headline
The title accuses that Christian Arabs of being anti-Semitic yet it only discusses the Coptic Pope. The proper headline be "Coptic Pope accused of anti-Semitism". Why tarnish all the Christian Arabs? After other than the Egyptian Copts who listens to what Patriarch Shinoda says? That is no different than accusing all Jews for killing Jesus.
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20. Jesus the Jew
I once asked a Baptist pastor from Jordan who was in Jerusalem and Nazareth for meetings if he taught his congregants that Jesus was actually a Jew. He replied, "Of course not. If I did that, they'd stop coming to church!"
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Jerusalem, Israel |
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21. And Canada Has A Colder Climate Than Brazil
| Seth , |
Washington, DC |
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22. It always makes me sad.
It always makes me sad to hear people who say they love Jesus, and then make some strang comment about the Israelites. God told Abraham I will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you. I Bless the name of the G_D of Abraham Isaac and Jacob! And bessed be Israel , Shalom en Yerusalem!
| Cherokee Smith , |
Rogers AR. USA |
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23. Interesting question
In the New Testament, the writng is that the Romans killed Jesus at the instigation of the Jewish Priethood. In the Talmud, Jesus is referred to as Amalek. The question for the jews, which I have never seen answered, Is " What did Jesus do that was so bad that the Jewish Priesthood wanted him dead???
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24. #23:Said he was king,challenged their authority what else di
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25. not all Christian Arabs like this..
First, Arabs Christian or otherwise can't be anti-Semitic because they are Semites as well. They can be anti-Jewish.
Second, you have to realize that Arab Christians are in a difficult position. There are some who recognize Jesus as the Jewish Messiah who came for the forgiveness of sin for all, but these are the minority. However, to paint all Arab Christians with the same brush is wrong by Mr Foxman, who often calls anyone and anything anti-Semitic.
Listen to this radio program (about 10 mins) for an interview with an Arab Christian from Syria at a March of Life in Germany with other Christians and Jews.
http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/MP3Audio/NEW07/April07/IMSpecialMarchOfLifePt1.mp3
| John , |
Jerusalem |
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26. They're not really Christians
They're just pretending, they don't even know what the New Testament says (it teaches that Jesus was killed by all those who would come to believe in him)
| Floris , |
Chicago |
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27. Palestinian Christians
It has always made me stop to think why Christians Palestinians side with the Muslims, seeing that the Muslim PAlestinians ki8ll and discriminate against the Christians. I hae always wondered why they don;t side with the Israelis who have given them so much freedom, more than any Muslim country and with whom they have so much more in common.
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28. DON'T BELIEVE ADL
Don't believe this, ADL always sells terrible news, it's their way of exhisting! I did a PhD on this, there are misconceptions everywhere, arab christians, especially in PA don't hate jews. Abe Foxman should stop with this culture against an enemy all the time.Even in Israel some jews don't like arabs, but they are not in general anti arab, remember.
| Mimi , |
France- Italy |
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29. WHAT A REVELATION ! BUT ISN'T XTIANITY BASED ON OUR
REJECTION OF JESHU AS THEIR MAN G-D & OUR REJECTION THAT THEY CLAIM THEY HAVE A SUPERIOR PROXIMITY TO H-SHEM THAN WE DO BECAUSE THEY CHOSE TO BELIEVE IN JEHSU & WE CHOSE ONLY H-SHEM & THE TORAH. XTIANS WILL NEVER BELIEVE THAT IF THE ROMANS KEPT THE MORAL & ETHICAL PRECEPTS OF THE TORAH, JESHU WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY.........HA, HA, HA ! LOVE MOSHE
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30. Would help if Jews learned critical history (& answers 23)
Yes, it was Romans who actually killed Ribi Yehoshua. But *way* beyond that, it is clear from the NT description that the Jews who called for his death, and his blood to be on them and their descendents (the critical point of misojudaic charges), were Sadducee kohanim (priests) in the Beit ha-Miqdash (Hellenized to "Temple"), *not* Pharisees (forbears of today's Orthodox Jews).
Those familiar with Judaic history will realize the most critical point: that the kohanim (Sadducees) became corrupted shortly after B.C.E. 175 when a rabid Hellenist priest, Yehoshua (Hellenized to "Jason") Ben-Shimon II Ben-Tzadoq, enlisted the support of the foreign occupier, Syria (Antiochus IV Epiphanes), to displace his Torah-observant brother, Yekhonyah (Hellenized to "Onias") Ben-Shimon II Ben-Tzadoq, as Kohein ha-Jadol (High Priest).
This marks the watershed between the last Torah-true Sadducee Kohein ha-Jadol (Yekhonyah Ben-Shimon II Ben-Tzadoq) and the Hellenist succession of Hellenist-Sadducee "High Priests" who followed his Hellenizing brother, Jason -- and the resulting split between the original Torah-true Sadducee kohanim (later "Essene" Sadducees) and the reform Hellenist-Sadducees who expelled the Torah-true Sadducee kohanim from the "Temple."
Yekhonyah Ben-Shimon II Ben-Tzadoq, known as the last Torah-true Kohein ha-Jadol, is probably the person identified by the Essene-Sadducee kohanim as the "Moreh Tzedeq" (Righteous Teacher) suggesting that his brother -- and his successors -- were each labeled a "Kohein ha-Resha" (Wicked Priest).
Thus, the Sadducees in the Temple at the sentencing of Ribi Yehoshua were the Hellenist-Sadducees, the spawn of Yehoshua Ben-Shimon II Ben-Tzadoq, whom both the Essene Sadducees and Pharisees called "Wicked Priests."
Thus, it was the Wicked Priests, who were condemned by the Pharisees (today's Orthodox Jews), who shouted for the Romans to execute Ribi Yehoshua.
The Pharisees -- and Ribi Yehoshua was himself a Pharisee -- have always been *completely* innocent in the matter. Indeed, continued to befriend and shelter Paqid Yaaqov, ha-Tzadiq and the Netzarim until the Church (!!!) forcibly displaced their "competition" in 135 C.E.
Fittingly, the Hellenist-Sadducees, the "Reform Judaism" of its day, became extinct with the destruction of their "Temple," which they defiled.
Tellingly, Xns (themselves deceived and unwitting Hellenists) *still* prefer the Hellenist (i.e. assimilating) elements (Reform Judaism and secular Jews) while eschewing Orthodox Jews. Little has changed. But if Jews were armed with this information the anger could be directed where it belongs: the Hellenist and assimilating Sadducees and their modern counterparts (Reform Judaism and secular Jews) within the Jewish community -- *not* the Pharisees (today's Orthodox Jews) that included Ribi Yehoshua himself.
Paqid Yirmeyahu
Israeli Orthodox Jew
Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority
Welcoming Jews & non-Jews
www.netzarim.co.il
| Paqid 16 Netzarim , |
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