31. FINKELSTEIN
Once again US academia has clearly shown that if it comes to a choice between truth and scholarship on the one hand and the demands of the Israeli Lobby on the other, truth has no chance. Just as Exeter(UK) University now enjoys the teaching of Ilan Pappe, perhaps a UK university concerned with truth and scholarship will offer tenure to Finkelstein. This is a very sad day for De Paul and US academia
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32. Norman Finkelstein
Re 22, 27 & 28
Apparently, Dr. Finkelsteins' associations with anti-semites and Holocaust deniers don't cut any ice with these commentors. In particular, his associations with David Duke, Ernst Zundel et all tell one everything one wants to know about Finkelstein.
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33. fink-how apprapo
i've read both dershowitz and finklestein. you cannot put them in the same league. dershowitz is factual. finklestein bends facts with opinion. you must read both to form an opinion. raise yourhands if you have...one...two...oops that's me. ok, that makes one.
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34. #15 and do you know how stupid you sound
He isn't anti-semitic, he is far, far, far worse. He is a deeply cynical mediocrity exploiting his parents victimhood to fabricate and lie about the Middle East.
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35. #14, one difference though
between finkelstein and chomsky is that chomsky - admittedly decades ago - made very serious contributions to linguistics and certainly in that field can be considered a tier-one academic. It is unfortunate that he gave up that career to become an apologist for Pol Pot - amongst others..
Finkelstein on the other hand is a disgrace to academia and an utter fraud. He may think his "research" is sound but the people he claims to be basing his "research" on - as he does no primary research - claim he is lying, not "distorting", but lying.
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36. #27, unfortunately I have been forced to read articles
by him when I did my degree and the guy is a complete and utter fraud. No one really takes him seriously in academia and he is an embarassment to any establishment.
Firstly, the guy has done no research. If you look at his "work", they are really reviews of books or work by other, serious academics. As someone with an utter lack of familiarity with the sources he has a tendency to make laugh out loud mistakes.
Secondly, he is widely condemned as a fraud by people whose work his bases his "work" on, such as Benny Morris and Novick.
Thirdly, if there a single person who can be said to exploit the Holocaust it is Mr Finkelstein. His sole sales pitch is "My parents were Holocaust victims therefore I can say whatever I like". He is a nasty and deeply cynical person who exploits the current - dismal - status of Modern Middle East History and his background to pass of his lies as work.
Finally, lots of "Jewish investment"? Huh, more than Chinese? more than the Saudis? More than the oil industry? Care to substantiate these claims with figures?
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37. #28, pot and kettle
There is absolute freedom of speech. You for instance are allowed day in and day out to make vague unsubstantiated claims against other people here. What isn't allowed is pretending there is some sort of academic veneer to your lies. It is one think to claim the moon is made of cheese, it is another to say that based on "the judgment of experts in the field, are sound and factually based".
And lets see why you hardly ever make substantial claims:
Carter "single-handedly" brought peace to the Middle East????? There was one peace agreement under his rule - the Egyptian-Israeli one of which the negotiations was done under Nixon and Ford. Carter was the simply the chimp who happened to be in charge at the time. Some other minor events in Carter's time - fall of the Shah and the Islamic republic established in Iran, which is directly and personally attributable to Carter, and the start of the Iran-Iraq war. But hey I guess that wasn't really a serious war, after all it was only a million dead not like the far,far, far more important 4,000 dead Palestinians...
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38. #31, are you on crack?
Truth and Illan Pappe in the same sentence? Lets quote Pappe himself:
"my bias is apparent despite the desire of my peers that I stick to facts and the 'truth' when reconstructing past realities. I view any such construction as vain and presumptuous."
At least Pappe is honest about his dishonesty. Finkelstein isn't even that. I hope he does go to Exeter, it will be the final collapse of a uni which once upon a time had a serious reputation for Middle Eastern Research.
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39. #33, actually you can compare them
Finkelstein doesn't "bend" facts, he simply lies about them. Reading his articles is exhausting because you find that every single statement is false, no quote can be taken as accurate.
Dershowitz on the other hand seems to simply be careless. He has "operation Spring of Youth" in 1982 - it was 1973 - and some unsubstantiated claims about suicide bombers using anti-coagulants. To be fair, if you buy a book saying the "Case for Israel" then I don't think you can expect a balanced pro and con discourse. You buy a book called "Reality and Image in the Israel-Palestine conflict", can legitimately be angry about out and out lies.
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40. Finkelstein supported by top holocaust scholar
Your article paints an erroneous picture of Dr. Finkelstein who has been denied tenure because of American universities that are becoming more like corporations then institues of higher learning, more interested in the money they bring in then in academic freedom and diverse opinion. Raul HIlberg the foremost holocaust scholar has acknowledged and supported Finkelstein's scholarship as has Avi Shlaim from Oxford.
I have heard Finkelstein lecture many times, he is compassionate and passionate about Jews and Arabs living in peace. Period!
Read his writings and don't be swayed by charismatic shysters such as Dershwowitz, a nice wealthy liberal lawyer, who makes his money by taking on rich celebrity cases, such as the football star OJ Simpson (who was most likely guilty of murder).
For his personal attacks against Finkelstein, as well as HIS erroneous misrepresentation and out of context remarks, (the kind that YNet has included), it is Dershowitz who should be fired form Harvard.
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41. Finkelstein and "scholarship"
are two words that don't belong in the same sentence. He is a well-known fraud. The fact that by some miracle he managed to find a sentence that could be butchered to come out as a vague compliment by Shlaim - who by the way is not beyond reproach in the academic front, having to essentially rewrite the book that made him famous - is not a sign that he is a serious academic. It is like the sentence that Karsh found in Benny Morris assault on his book that was used to infer that Morris had been given some food for thought by Karsh - Morris was being sarcastic in the review....
If he is so passionate, why does he feel the need to fabricate and lie?
PS Hillberg is not "the foremost" holocaust scholar. He is one of many.
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42. Re: you haters
I am amused by reading your hateful responses toward Dr Finkelstein. How you hate him. How you degrade him. Calling him a fraud.
He revealed to broad public your dirty zio-nazi, money stealing actions, that's why he was fired, that's why you hate him.
You hypocritical a-holes!
But I am still amused :)
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43. Re: 37
"There is absolute freedom of speech. "
Of course there is.
You are FREE to sing songs about zio-nazis and (not)Free to sing against them. The latter will cost you your current position, though.
That's your 'freedom' of speech. Oh, btw, seems like you REALLY enjoy using words 'this and that in the same sentence??'.
Let me try MY freedom of speech:
'Danny' and 'objectivity' in one sentence? you gotta be kidding.
'Danny' and 'moron' and 'zio-nazi' in the same sentence? Now you're talking.
How was it? Did I do good?
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44. Bad Move.
Israel is considered somewhat of a "rogue" country, not adhering to international norms ( No pun Intended)
IF they are the Only Democracy in the Mid East, then you do not expel an academic for his views, which are well researched. He has angered me many times and I may not agree, but he is Passionate and not an anti semite, nor Anti Israel. For Shame, Shame !!!!
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