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Hamas says willing to talk to Blair
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Published: 23.07.07, 10:54
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1. Instead of Winston Churchill .....
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (07.23.07)
They sent Neville Chamberlain.
2. #1 and other comments
Danny   (07.23.07)
Tony Blair is not Neville Chamberlain, I think his stance on Iraq made that clear. What I think will become clear is that as he gets more involved he will realise who is holding the peace process back and who isn't. We'll see if he makes the same demands as he did of the Irish paramilitary groups... As for Hamas being "willing to talk to anyone", I bet they are. Just a shame no one wants to talk to them. I hope they enjoy Iranian love just as much as the Lebanese do.
3. Tony doesnt know this...
Alan ,   SA   (07.23.07)
In Northern Ireland ,the various Nationalist and Unionist Leaders told their Gangs to kill each other (and others of course)-so there was someone who could give orders to stop and make peace ! In Middle East , it is Allah who gives the orders to the Muslims to eliminate the "Jews" so how does Tony get round this problem. BTW He also gives orders to drive out the "Christian" Crusaders.
4. #2 Danny - Have You Heard His Speeches Lately?
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (07.23.07)
Tony is not Churchill & not even Margaret Thatcher. He has back-tracked considerably, adopting a more "European" approach. Wait until you hear his up-coming speeches & his demands on us to "bolster" the failed Mr Abbas. Like most of his European counter-parts (& the American State Dept. under Ms Rice), we are seen as the modern version of Czechoslovakia, a small sacrifice for peace. And please, don't compare this situation to the IRA. The IRA didn't advocate the destruction of Britain nor the genocide of the English nor were they part & parcel of an ideological movement that emphasizes Jihad against non-believers. The IRA did not dream of a world-wide Papal gov't. ruled under church law .....
5. Alas, but no-one wants to talk to Hamas - LOL!
Talula ,   Israel   (07.23.07)
They are the group of misfits that no-one ever invites to a party.
6. But just what exactly..........
Mike Carmel ,   Rishon le Zion   (07.23.07)
........is he going TO DO here? Prancing around between meetings with Olmert's crowd and Ramallah won't do any good at all. Sounds like another very expensive non-job to me.
7. The Christian Corruption of the Isaiah 7:14
Norway   (07.23.07)
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, THE VIRGIN shall conceive and bear a S-on, and shall call H-is name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 NKJ Hebrew Bible: Therefore the Lord Himself shall give youa sign, behold, THE YOUNG WOMAN shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 לָכֵן יִתֵּן אֲדֹנָי הוּא, לָכֶם אוֹת: הִנֵּה הָעַלְמָה, הָרָה וְיֹלֶדֶת בֵּן, וְקָרָאת שְׁמוֹ, עִמָּנוּ אֵל. http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1007.htm For nearly two millennia the church has insisted, that the Hebrew word הָעַלְמָה “alma” can only mean “virgin”. The church must hold this position because Matthew 1:22-23 translates “alma” in Isaiah 7:14 as “virgin”. The first Gospel quotes this well-known verse to provide the only “Old Testament” proof text for the supposed VIRGIN BIRTH of Jesus... According to the teaching of the Quran; Isa (Jesus) was born in Nazareth or Bethlehem as the son of VIRGIN Maryam. She carried the little baby to her people, and they questioned her, and he answered them: He said: I am indeed A SERVANT OF GOD: He hath given me revelation AND MADE ME A PROPHET And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live He hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life again! Surah 19. 30-33 The stakes are high for Christendom and Islam, because if the Hebrew word “alma” DOES NOT MEAN “VIRGIN”, Matthew is MISQUOTING the prophet Isaiah... AND BOTH A KEY TENET of Christianity and Islam AND THE CREDIBILITY of the first Gospel and Islam COLLAPSES... In the Hebrew language there is no relationship between the words הָעַלְמָה “alma” and “virgin”. The Hebrew word “alma” means YOUNG WOMAN. On the contrary, it is usually a young woman who bears children. Had Isaiah wished to speak about a virgin, he would have used the word בְּתוּלַת betulah’ not – alma. Betulah is a common word in the Jewish scriptures, and can only mean “virgin”. In fact, although Isaiah used the Hebrew word alma only one time in his entire corpus (Isaiah 7:14), the prophet uses this word virgin (betulah) five times throughout the book of Isaiah. Isaiah 23:4 + Isaiah 23:12 Isaiah 37:22 Isaiah 47:1+ Isaiah 62:5
8. Moderate Wing of Hamas believes it wrong to put Nails&Screws
in their Bombs ,   Alan SA   (07.23.07)
9. Blair CAN talk to Hamas if he wants to!
Alan ,   SA   (07.23.07)
but Israel can also talk to Blair if Israel wants to or not if it doesnt want to
10. contact yer mama!
(07.23.07)
11. So they wont talk to themselves
freejay ,   Israel   (07.23.07)
The only occupiers are these so called Palestinians that are really Egyptian, jordanian, iraqi or from any other part of the middle east except here. They are the only invading thieves that i can see. What is Olmert waiting for????? Blow the crap out of them and lets get rid of this disease caled Hamass, once and for all.
12. #7 Norway-Very interesting comment!
Keren ,   SP-Israel   (07.23.07)
Maybe this is the beggining of the urgent and necessary unmasking of the Church and Islam lies! Thank you for pointing out this fundamental observation! Keep in this blessed job towards the Truth !
13. Blair is an occupier
Kelly   (07.23.07)
In 1066, his ancestors took over Britain - he must apologise and go back to France, possibly to be a waiter again as in his younger years - let him learn to make a living in an honest way, not by living off occupied land.
14. Hamas is moderate ... Olmert gov't is stupid
Mohammad ,   Al Quds   (07.23.07)
Olmert gov't and portion of Israeli people didn't get it till now, Hamas is a very important element in Middle East and Palestinian people, you can't ignore them. Don't you forget that they are caputuring an Israeli soldier. Free Occupied Palestine Now
15. Who Cares What Hamas Wants?
Bill Foonman ,   Jacksonville, USA   (07.23.07)
Since when does Hamas dictate terms and conditions on the global stage? They have the unmitigated gall to talk about credibility? This nonentity of an Islamic terrorist organization is irrelevant but only Hamas believes it is truly a legend in its own mind. Even the more pragmatic Palestinians are coming to realize that and are distancing themselves from Hamas. Hamastan has no economy nor will it ever have one until Hamas renounces violence, moves into the 21st century and they start behaving like responsible, civilized human beings. Don't count on that happening soon. Dialogue assumes that you are dealing with a sincere and honest partner and not fanatics driven by a brutal, bigoted and barbaric Islamic doctrine whose backward viewpoint is rooted in violence and oppression. Just look at Sharia law. How can any non-Moslem not be disgusted when confronted with that medieval, pagan system of "justice". The question is not if Hamas is a partner. The real question is will Hamas self-destruct or will Israel do it for them?
16. #13 - with a name like Kelly you should be glad he brought
redmiike ,   tel aviv and london   (07.23.07)
peace to Ireland after centuries of violence. Many tried before him a failed. You are of course joking ?! Your post makes no sense if taken seriously - Michael
17. # 14 The authors of the New Testament...
Norway   (07.23.07)
had Jesus Himself lie to his generation that many would not die before the Messiah comes, yet it never happened and they all died. Several times in the Gospels Jesus says he will return in the disciples lifetime. If the prophet speaks in the name of The Lord, AND THE THING DOES NOT OCCUR AND DOES NOT COME ABOUT, that is the thing The LORD did not speak. The prophet has spoken it wantonly… Deuteronomy 18:22 Therefore - Jesus did not speak in the name of The LORD. Many traditions have Muhammad predicting that the end was to come within the lifetime of his followers: Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Number 7050-7053: A'isha reported that when the desert Arabs came to Allah's Messenger - they asked about the Last Hour as to when that would come. And he looked towards the youngest amongst them and said: If he lives he would not grow very old that he would find your Last Hour coming to you he would see you dying. Muhammad clearly said that the young boy wouldn't have grown very old before the Last Hour came upon the people. Yet, centuries have passed and the Last Hour still hasn't come upon us. Muhammad also announced that everyone would be dead within a hundred years: Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 3, Number 116: Narrated Abdullah bin Umar: Once the Prophet led us in the ''Isha'' prayer during the last days of his life and after finishing it (the prayer) (with Taslim) he said: Do you realize (the importance of) this night? Nobody present on the surface of the earth tonight will be living after the completion of one hundred years from this night. Nearly fourteen centuries have gone by and there continue to be human beings alive all around the earth! See also: Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 10, Number 539: (See Hadith No. 575). Both Islam and Christendom contain false predictions... If the prophet speaks in the name of The Lord, AND THE THING DOES NOT OCCUR AND DOES NOT COME ABOUT, THAT IS THE THING THE LORD DID NOT SPEAK. The prophet has spoken it wantonly… Deuteronomy 18:22 In light of the prophetic criteria given by God in Deuteronomy 18:22 we discover that both Muhammad and Jesus fails this test... This means that both Muhammad and Jesus are neither true prophets nor are they the prophet like Moses. Deuteronomy 18:18
18. hey norway!
jack bauer ,   usa   (07.23.07)
what the hell has that got to do with hamas? go spew your crap someplace else maybe the appropriate place would be a forum on religious issues
19. put your hand up if you care what hamas thinks
zionist forever   (07.23.07)
Hamas are desperate for a little international recigition and respect because now they dont even have respect of their own people they have a state in the Gaza which since they so bravely threw unarmed Fatah forces of buildings and took over has become a prison camp which Israel holds the key to. Also before their little heroic revolution the Europeans were looking for any excuse to drop the international sanctions and start treating Hamas as a legitimate government now everybody wants to get into bed with Abbas who has legaly or not kicked Hamas out of office made thr new PM a member of Fatah. Hamas have nothing to negotiate with. Do a deal means changing their charter which talks about liberating all islamic land which they cannot do ideogicly they are a much more islamic party and once they start compromising on their idology they stand for nothing. They can fire rockets and carry out suicide bomibgs but what else do they have .. they have no assets like oil to use to try and blackmail the west, all theor money comes from international charities they dont export anything so cut the charity they cant even afford to buy food. They either have to go back on everything they stand for and just follow the Fatah crowd and b taken serioulsy .. untill the palestians decide for themselves what is going to be their common policy then we wont make any progress. Arafat promised all things to all people so he had some control now since he died there is no more promising everybody what they want to hear and now reality is setting in Hamas dont like it and they are fighting for power.
20. Norway: very interesting!!
Gazan ,   Gaza, Palestine   (07.24.07)
.. but I think you're a bit late for your session....
21. #17Norway,than you again!
Keren ,   SP-Israel   (07.24.07)
22. # 20 The Christian corruption of Daniel 9
Norway   (07.24.07)
Seventy weeks* are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sin, and to forgive iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal vision and prophet, and to anoint the most holy place. Daniel 9:24 *Lit., seventy weeks, this phrase refers to seventy times seven years, or 490 years. This refers to the seventy years of exile that have passed from the Destruction of the First Temple until this vision, and the entire 420 year period of the Second Temple (Rashi). KJV's corruption of Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth OF THE COMMANDMENT to restore and to build Jerusalem unto THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks... Daniel 9:25 KJV Jewish Scripture: Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth OF THE WORD to restore and to build Jerusalem unto one ANOINTED, a prince,* shall be seven weeks * and for threescore and two weeks, it shall be built again... Daniel 9:25 Hebrew Bible http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et3409.htm *The prince of this verse is Cyrus, who gave permission to rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple. *The septets refer to full seven-year periods. He ascended to the throne fifty-two years (seven full septets plus three years) after the exile had begun. From then until the second destruction of Jerusalem was 438 years, or sixty-two septets and four years (Rashi). KJV's corruption of Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks SHALL MESSIAH BE CUT OFF, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary... Daniel 9:26 KJV Jewish Scripture: And after the threescore and two weeks shall an ANOINTED one * BE CUT OFF, AND BE NO MORE: and the people of a prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary... Daniel 9:26 Hebrew Bible * I.e., Agrippa, the last Jewish king, at the end of the Second Temple Era. After his death, the prince of this verse, the Roman Titus, would command the destruction of the Temple, which will not be rebuilt until after the War of Gog and Magog, in Messianic times (Rashi). And he shall make a firm covenant, with many for one week * and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment. Daniel 9:27 * The Roman emperor would make a treaty with the Jewish nation for seven years, but for the second half of that term the Romans would violate that covenant and impede the Temple service. The mute abomination,i.e., a temple of idolatry, WAS ERECTED by the emperor Hadrian on the Temple Mount (Rashi). "...because thou Gazan knewest not the time of thy visitation..." Luke 19:44
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