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WJC secretary-general endorses Clinton
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 23.07.07, 20:27
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1. THE SHAME OF THE JEWISH NATION
bill handel ,   brooklyn, usa   (07.23.07)
This is the type of person we have chosen to represent us before the nations of the world?--A very public, very radical hoosexual?
2. "...gay, bisexual, and transgender ..."
ilana   (07.23.07)
ONLY THREE of the best reasons NOT to support the second Clinton disaster! What are the Jewish jpeople drinking? This is a disgrace. I hope the majority of the US voting public have better sense than this!
3. No monetary contrributions to them!
BJL ,   usa   (07.23.07)
4. clinton
Chaim ,   Tzur Hadassa   (07.23.07)
Well I guess you know where he has his head.
5. Better than Jimmy
Steve ,   USA   (07.23.07)
B"H I am scratching hard to find a compliment. I would very much appreicate it if she would denounce Jimmy Carter's recent books as well as his current subversion with Hamas that undermines United States foreign policy. That is an issue with the Democratic party here which concerns me that I have not heard denounciations of Jimmy Carter's book at all. But I could think of worse candidates on teh Democratic side, and I have not seen yet what the Republicans have to offer. Israel is not the only country where Democracy presents limited choice based on interests often separate from those voting, and where the voter many times chooses the least oppresive of the options available. These are tough times so I do not expect an easy choice in the upcoming elections. For those making Alyiah, there is Olmert or Hillary. Who is more left-wing?
6. Wrong for America and for Israel
IAK ,   USA   (07.23.07)
Hillary is the absolutely wrong person to be Commander-In-Chief of the United States while we are engaged in a war against Islamic terrorism. Not only has she a history of antisemitism remarks (when she was in Arkansas), her husband Bill receives millions from Dubai. On her personal integrity: When they were investigating her law firm, her records conveniently disappeared. When she speaks to Black groups, she puts on a phony southern accent. Last week she was accused of trying to act like a man, so she immediately wore a low-cut neckline to look feminine. She was for the Iraq war when she wanted to look tough. Now she is against the war to appease the voters on the Left. The most dishonest thing about Hillary is her marriage. If it weren't for her political aspirations she would have dumped her unfaithful husband years ago. What has she accomplished? What does she stand for? Can she be trusted? Does she have any moral integrity?
7. I don't trust H.Clinton !
jaded   (07.23.07)
8. He does not speak for all of the Jewish community in the USA
(07.23.07)
Mr. Herbits' offered resignation should be accepted as of now. He can have an "interim" until a new person gets going. He should have gone out first, then made the announcement about Ms. Clinton. Many of us out here object to the implication that the World Jewish Congress endorses one political party. I don't know how these Jewish leaders get away with connecting American Jewish organizations at the hip with the Democratic Party. I vote for Democrats about half the time, but I don't expect organizations that are related to my religion to be used as a political base for ANY political party.
9. A very public, very radical hoosexual? (1)
sk ,   USA   (07.24.07)
How very articulate, bill. At least he didn't wear a clown suit. THAT always embarrasses me. Hillary is terrible, and Herbits is unprofessional for not having resigned well before he decided to advocate for her. If Israelis were less supportive of clowns like ilmert, it would make the right-wing American voice a whole lot louder. BTW, Hillary will NOT be good for gays any more than Bill was. In fact, Bill was bad for gay people, as he ushered in Don't Ask Don't Tell, signed the Defense of Marriage Act, and did not implement a single, significant pro-gay initiative. This is the irony: the political echelon of the GLBT community is stupidly dedicated to the Dems even though the Reps are not that bad (overall) on gay rights. Meaning, both parties are bad, but the Reps are not so much worse than the Dems to justify an automatic Dem vote. Other issue should be much more important. That would teach the Dems to assume that they have the gay vote in their pocket. If we go beyond the hoosexual biz, sentient readers might wonder how astute Herbits could have been, given his bungling over the timing of his announcement, and his idiotic belief that Hillary will be any good. I'd go further: Herbits is a complete partisan hack because there is every reason to believe that Guiliani would be better on gay issues than Hillary, and McCain wouldn't be all that bad. He obviously doesn't care about Jews, and he doesn't care about gay people either. And that gets back to why American Jews are as stupid as Israeli ones in their support of the left--including the WJC.
10. wjc
avi ,   ny   (07.24.07)
Obviously his sexualabits are more important to him than his Jewishness.
11. The talkbacks on this subject
Michael ,   New York City   (07.24.07)
disgust me. What is wrong with all of you? As a Jew and son of holocaust survivors, I am at least as jewish as any of you, and i happen to be gay. You people make me sick with your vile spewing of hate and your use of the bible as your lame excuse. You are no better than the fundamentalists of any ilk, they Jewish, Muslim or Christian, who use their religion to vilify other human beings.. Shame, Shame, Shame,
12. Say good-bye Israel, say good-bye.
jan ,   usa   (07.24.07)
13. I remember Hilary
Bill ,   USA   (07.24.07)
I remember when Bill Clinton sided with the moslem terrorists in Kosovo and helped create another moslem nation within Europe. Bombing Yugoslavian civilians for 78 days starting on the Eastern Orthodox Easter. Hilary stood at the Albanian border as Moslem Kosovars got off of their air conditioned buses provided by NATO. It was there she cried crocodile tears and compared this obscenitiy to "Schindler's List". The plight of the Jews of Europe and that of the kosovars has no equivalence. I also remember Hilary giving a kiss to Suha Arafat, because Yasser was such a man of peace...
14. CLINTON HATES JEWS THERE IS A VIDEO ABOUT IT.
MIKE ,   usa   (07.24.07)
GO TO YOUTUBE THE VIDEO WAS MADE BY WWW.JTF.ORG.THIS WOMEN REALLY HATS JEWS.SHE ONCE GIVE 25,OOO TO THE PLO OFFICE IN WASHINGTO,DC.
15. #11 Michael NYC You should get out more!
(07.24.07)
Where I live (fly over country, out west), no one that I know of any religion, ethnic background, etc. has any issue with GLTB rights, acceptance, etc. NYC is too ingrown and not as kind as other places. My issue (I wrote TB #8) is Jewish organizations' identification with the Democratic Party (who aren't really doing any better with GLTB progress, and absolutely dismally on security issues as relates to the Jewish community and Israel) when we, their sponsors, did not ask them to speak on party politics for us. That's not their role. If they want it to be, they need to hold votes and referendums so that they accurately quote the percentages when they assume that they presume to speak for all of us.
16. To #14
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.24.07)
I tried to post the link, but Ynet, for some reason, objected and didn't post my tb.If people only took the time and looked around just a little bit, they couldn't miss the fact that this woman seems to despise Jews.
17. WJC does not include Religious Jews who have no intentions
Chaim   (07.24.07)
of voting for Clinton.
18. Did the American Jews all become dumb?
Isac ,   Florida   (07.24.07)
Democrats cannot and will not defend Israel. The only one's are the REAL Republicans who recognized the real danger of Islamic fundamendalists. I am deeply concerned that most Jews in America do not recognize the real and present danger of our times. Many do not have the guts to confront the dangers! America and Israel both are vulnerable now.
19. Needing a school application
Catina Marsh ,   Austin,Tx.78701 U.S.   (07.24.07)
sen me an application at 500 E. 7th St. AustinTx.78701 U.S.A.
20. Here's The Tip-Off
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (07.25.07)
If the so-called homosexual community is backing a particular candidate, then said candidate must be perceived by them as supporting the homosexual cause. If said candidate is supporting that cause, then said candidate is taking a position contrary to the Torah's system of morality. If said candidate is supporting a system of morality which the Torah says is immoral, how can any Jew support said candidate?
21. SHORT MEMORY???
al mann ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.25.07)
What is happening? Is everyone's memory that short that no one recalls Hillary Clinton kissing Suha Arafat? It's easier to forget, isn't it?
22. 20: How can any Jew support YOU, Reuven?
sk ,   USA   (07.25.07)
Do you know that you and your ilk are a powerful deterrent to any study of important Jewish religious texts? Here, laughably, you pretend to offer a trio of "rigorous" couplets. Impressive. At every stage, though, you make basic errors. Couplet 1: "If the so-called homosexual community is backing a particular candidate, then said candidate must be perceived by them as supporting the homosexual cause." You make the error of believing that the "homosexual community" is monolithic. It is true that most gay people do probably vote Democratic most of the time, but then so do most blacks, most Jews, and most women. Has it occurred to you -- O Torah paralyzed one -- that the homosexual community has certainly NOT backed ANY particular candidate, and that even the selection of a candidate can be made for reasons apart from gay issues? Are you capable of cognizing my #9, where I explain these things for you? Couplet 2: "If said candidate is supporting that cause, then said candidate is taking a position contrary to the Torah's system of morality. " What does "supporting that cause" mean, O Torah Smothered One? And, in the rooms full of Jewish lit, how could you speak with such sweeping statements about "the Torah's system of morality"? Doesn't much depend on what "said candidate" actually supports, and which texts you review? Couplet 3: "If said candidate is supporting a system of morality which the Torah says is immoral, how can any Jew support said candidate?" The Torah doesn't "say" anything. It rests quite quietly between two covers on my table. I would have heard if it said something. The serious answer is that most Jews DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR VERSION OF JUDAISM YOU TWERP.
23. To sk, USA
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (07.25.07)
Dear sk, What is your real name and where exactly do you live? Why are you hiding behind a two letter pseudonym? Behind such phony designations, it's easy to call people silly names like you do, isn't it "sk"?
24. To Reuven (23)
sk ,   USA   (07.26.07)
Most people here "hide" behind a pseudonym, and many of them use language that would considered "hate speech" in some Western countries; what you dislike is that you have no defense for your foolish TBs and now seek to change the subject. May I suggest, instead, that you benefit from the education I am giving you? If you wanted me to be tactful, "Reuven Brauner," you could have responded to something like the first 6 months of my TBs to you, where I treated you much better than you deserved while you were vilifying and telling lies about gay Jews daily. Oh, and it's not "easy to call" you names. Your TBs have just enough content to merit a response, but are just illogical and confused enough to require me to spend a fair amount of time dissecting them. You see, I want to use you as an example for others' benefit. A simple insult takes just as long as your vacuous #23.
25. p.s. to "Reuven Brauner" #23
sk ,   USA   (07.26.07)
Assuming my last TB will be posted, I'm adding a brief p.s. to it. I know why I participate in TBs here, Reuven--they provide an opportunity to let off steam and to do some desktop activism until I can do the real thing in Israel. I'm hoping to have some effect, however small. Typically, I read TBs to get background information, and then there are a few people who write TBs that are nearly always worth reading. What is your point here, "Reuven Brauner"? Do you seriously believe that you communicate your religious ideas in such a way that seculars would benefit? If not, who exactly is your audience? Those who already agree with you? If so, what do you add to what they write? I think the Haredim are not worth subsidizing because I have seen no evidence that their analyses are intellectually serious, and I am not convinced that anyone in the outside community benefits from them. I think it's fair to say that the Haredim have done a dreadful job of making Judaism look appealing to Jews. If there were a math teacher for an elective course and 9/10 of the students dropped the class, I would think poorly of the teacher. Well, TBs (and dare I say, attitudes) like yours have helped lead to a visceral dislike of you and your chums. Maybe it's time to wonder why.
26. Herbits and Bronfman this is disgusting
doni   (07.26.07)
how could the WJC let this pervert take over such a once prestigous organization. I am nauseated and will never give another cent to the WJC
27. Third attempt re: 'doni'
sk ,   USA   (07.28.07)
That's it. From now on, I will not post TBs that overlap with the Sublime Censor who desecrates Shabbat on Friday night. It's amazing, but I notice once again that the Orthodox (but not the Haredim) are much more reasonable as censors than the non-Orthodox. -- doni, dear, speaking as a pervert, I admire your ability to write the most worthless TB on this article.
28. doni on perverts
sk ,   USA   (07.28.07)
Why is the Sublime Censor cutting my TB to the perverted doni? I gather that it's ok to throw around such language but not ok to respond in kind? -- doni, dear, speaking as a pervert, I admire your ability to write the most worthless TB on this article.a
29. WHO IS ABE FOXMAN, WHO IS Stephen Herbits?
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE ,   ..............DACON9   (07.30.07)
30. LET IT BE KNOWN,,,,,,, G'D OF ISRAEL FORBIDS HOMOSEXUAL ACTS
DO NOT JUDGE JUDAISM ,   BY WACKOS.....DACON9   (07.30.07)
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